Fancyarcher 350 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Yup, looks like they fired him because they wanted they're likely cutting back on the budget again. What a shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 On 31/08/2017 at 0:17 AM, crumbs said: The show makes Fox a fortune, unfortunately. Despite being rubbish for 20 years! This is clearly a cost cutting exercise. They'll ditch the orchestra and bring in a cheap synth composer (probably one of Zimmer's el' cheapo mass-produced music houses). Looks like you were right! crumbs and Fancyarcher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Almost wish I was wrong. How disappointing for Clausen, replaced by a mass-produced sample library. Fox make a fortune but they'll keep cutting around the edges until the show is a hollow shell of its former glory ... oh wait, that already happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 It's a collection of more Zimmer clones who start careers by being replacements, with no regard for how RC is stealing projects from others — Drew Collier (@DrewCollier28) October 1, 2017 lol crumbs and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Bleeding Gums Murphy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 They're like a fucking plague. What a sad state of affairs that will only get worse. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Zimmer is responsible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Why is hiring ten composers cheaper than hiring one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 'Composers' is being generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: Why is hiring ten composers cheaper than hiring one? Because presumably they're paying one or a few at a time, not all of them for each episode, and they're not going to command anywhere near the same figures as the guy who has been doing the show since essentially the beginning. 7 hours ago, crumbs said: 'Composers' is being generous. No it isn't. You may not like that Fox has done this, or that these guys and others like them are increasingly prolific, and you may not like their music, but these are real composers, people who make music, and more importantly, real people with real lives and families who are trying to make a living by doing something they love. The stupid faceless internet hate that gets tossed around sometimes is fucking reprehensible, not necessarily you specifically, but it doesn't help. Nick1Ø66 and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I agree with Mithrandir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 8 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: You may not like that Fox has done this, or that these guys and others like them are increasingly prolific, and you may not like their music, but these are real composers, people who make music, and more importantly, real people with real lives and families who are trying to make a living by doing something they love. The stupid faceless internet hate that gets tossed around sometimes is fucking reprehensible, not necessarily you specifically, but it doesn't help. Doesn't help against what? They make music, but is it music that has any quality other then what its written for? Film music blows now and its in part because of these countless unknowns who crop up everywhere, doing at best mediocre work for a small amount of money. Containing little or no individual quality. You may love this, partly because it must be hopeful to see people of your sorta skill level "making" it. But what good is it doing in the end artistically? Fuck the uninspired vermin! They're the music equivalent of the cheap Polish worker putting the skilled labourer out of business. crumbs and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I like it when Zimmer does his thing because he does at least put thought into it, and I really dig Djawadi's scores. But I'm disturbed by the trend to just manufacture background music by committee so it automatically fits the desired corporate formula. But maybe that's exactly what modern Simpsons deserves? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 31-8-2017 at 6:28 AM, Incanus said: Yes I stopped watching The Simpsons ages ago. This ... Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 22 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Doesn't help against what? They make music, but is it music that has any quality other then what its written for? Film music blows now and its in part because of these countless unknowns who crop up everywhere, doing at best mediocre work for a small amount of money. Containing little or no individual quality. You may love this, partly because it must be hopeful to see people of your sorta skill level "making" it. But what good is it doing in the end artistically? Fuck the uninspired vermin! They're the music equivalent of the cheap Polish worker putting the skilled labourer out of business. Composing probably isn’t the career you should be going into if you want to support a family. This is is the future of film music. If people are happy that this is the way it’s heading, cool. But people shouldn’t be surprised when people dismay at the state and death of the genre. People shouldn’t be assholes to these composers online though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 True, but we're allowed to express our opinion about these people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Same with media and journalism. It's all dying and I wouldn't dream of supporting a family on a salary that a media career pays unless you're an industry celeb. So many of these women I date also want kids and I cannot and will not give them that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Stefancos said: True, but we're allowed to express our opinion about these people! Oh definitely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 27 minutes ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: Same with media and journalism. It's all dying and I wouldn't dream of supporting a family on a salary that a media career pays unless you're an industry celeb. So many of these women I date also want kids and I cannot and will not give them that! So you always use a rubber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Sometimes no if she shows me her last STD results and her case of birth control pills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Good man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Oh god I couldn't stand having kids. There go all my assets. Matt C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 You'd have to sell your lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 That wouldn't even begin to pay for the little screamers. Plus I'm too young to have kids anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: You may love this, partly because it must be hopeful to see people of your sorta skill level "making" it. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: They make music, but is it music that has any quality other then what its written for? Well let's be honest, what did Alf Clausen's transitional ditties and gag arrangements have going for them beyond their function? We're talking about The Simpsons here, a show which, even before turning to trash, wasn't scoring heaven. Are we clamoring for complete releases of every season? Nah. The show always could have, and now definitely can, get along just fine with functional music. The outrage over what happened with Clausen is about principles - and rightly so - not some massive loss of quality. 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: Film music blows now and its in part because of these countless unknowns who crop up everywhere, doing at best mediocre work for a small amount of money. Containing little or no individual quality. This has always been the case. Film music is more than the handful of scores we remember from each year. But with the huge, and unnecessary, amount of production now happening, it's just more noticable. The great outliers seem more like, well, outliers. Whether or not current great composers tickle your fancy is the result of nothing but your own taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 What great composers? Name any? It has nothing to do with taste, it has to do with standards. I grew up being used to better than what we're getting nowadays. And I have a problem with lowering my standards just because its film music. Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Your standards don't count for shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 That's an intelligent and constructive answer. I couldnt give a damn about Alf Clausen's music for the Simpsons, btw. But I'm 99% sure that a scoring factory will not do anything more creatively satisfying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Alf Clausen will need a universal basic income now that his job has been automated. JWMike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 No, Stefan, it wasn't a constructive answer, but the point still stands that why should one base the quality of film scores today on your standards of what that should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 You mean I should lower my standards just so I'll be able to enjoy the latest crop of Hollywood blockbuster scores? Yeah, I guess the problem lies with me. I should just dumb down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 You don't have far to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 That's on this MB. Not in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Lower your standards? If you don't like the music, you don't like it. I'm not asking anything of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 None of us are really Mensa material anyway. We should just embrace our MV/RC future and enjoy it, even if it means pretending to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Arpy said: Lower your standards? If you don't like the music, you don't like it. I'm not asking anything of you. Then what is your point? I'm not getting what I want from the vast majority of film music today. I'm allowed to express my opinion about it. That's what I'm doing here. 2 minutes ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: None of us are really Mensa material anyway. We should just embrace our MV/RC future and enjoy it, even if it means pretending to. Why is Dame Maggie Smith in your avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 20 minutes ago, Stefancos said: That's an intelligent and constructive answer. I couldnt give a damn about Alf Clausen's music for the Simpsons, btw. But I'm 99% sure that a scoring factory will not do anything more creatively satisfying for it. Who said they would? 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: What great composers? Name any? It has nothing to do with taste, it has to do with standards. I grew up being used to better than what we're getting nowadays. And I have a problem with lowering my standards just because its film music. And who said to lower your standards because it's film music? Currently working great film composers: John Williams Thomas Newman Hans Zimmer Alexandre Desplat John Powell James Newton Howard Johann Johansson Austin Wintory All of them have written great scores and duds in the last five years. That's pretty much average. At any given time there are such a handful of exceptional composers, putting out exceptional stuff a few times every few years. And yes, it's taste, not standards, because if I put my coldly analytical musical specs on, there's no decrease in objective compositional quality in the highlights. The language has just changed. Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, TheGreyPilgrim said: John Williams Thomas Newman Hans Zimmer Alexandre Desplat James Newton Howard Johann Johansson Austin Wintory Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 There won't be any great composers like Williams, Goldsmith, Herrmann in near future, because they don't get the chance to show their talent. On 2.10.2017 at 6:32 AM, TheGreyPilgrim said: John Williams Thomas Newman Hans Zimmer Alexandre Desplat John Powell James Newton Howard Johann Johansson Austin Wintory Apart from Williams (and Zimmer and Johansson who obviously don't do really orchestral music) I do not consider any of them composers of standalone music (although there are exceptions). Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 What are you talking about? Why the "puzzled reaction" to my post? We were saying nothing about standalone music. What does that have to do with anything? Why does it matter that someone doesn't do orchestral music specifically? And how is it that HZ and JJ don't, according to you, despite the reams of music they've written that involves an orchestra? And to say that there will never be any more great composers, for whatever reason... that is just the type of fallacy that I don't have the energy to deal with on this forum anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 #forever stuck in the musical aesthetics of the 80's/90's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Brundlefly said: There won't be any great composers like Williams, Goldsmith, Herrmann in near future, because they don't get the chance to show their talent. Apart from Williams (and Zimmer and Johansson who obviously don't do really orchestral music) I do not consider any of them composers of standalone music (although there are exceptions). I mean you can consider them anyway you want, but “not standalone composers” is demonstrably false. Both Johansson and Zimmer have written music away from film. And film music is inherently not standalone music. So... not sure what your point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Most of these guys (e. g. Alexandre Desplat, John Powell, James Newton Howard) have done lots of stuff beyond movie music. But since we're so far from the impossibly high standards of ID4, Titanic and Waterworld, why bother? Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Actually, every one of those guys I mentioned has written music for something other than a movie or a video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 He's new here, right? Still believes that "proper" film music can only sound like 80s John Williams. If he sticks around long enough, I'm sure he'll learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 11 hours ago, publicist said: #forever stuck in the musical aesthetics of the 80's/90's Yes, and therefore based on another guy's style, but that is not where their talent lies. Just give 'em time and freedom like you give it John Williams. 13 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Why does it matter that someone doesn't do orchestral music specifically? And how is it that HZ and JJ don't, according to you, despite the reams of music they've written that involves an orchestra? When people want to interprete a comment as hostile, they simply do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 On 18.10.2017 at 1:41 PM, Brundlefly said: When people want to interprete a comment as hostile, they simply do. Only a few people here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 11:17 PM, Koray Savas said: I mean you can consider them anyway you want, but “not standalone composers” is demonstrably false. Both Johansson and Zimmer have written music away from film. And film music is inherently not standalone music. So... not sure what your point is. That and the fact saying Zimmer doesn't do orchestrated music is just...false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Alf Clausen sues Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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