E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial La-La Land ANNOUNCEMENT Thread

[phbart 609]

E.T. and the Bermuda Triangle

[filmmusic 1,823]

1 minute ago, Disco Stu said:

Well since the blu-ray is the original theatrical cut, not the 20th anniversary version, I would think it has the triangle, but I don't know for sure.

But the non-triangle DVD version is the original cut. (the USA DVD had both cuts).

Apparently, according to Jay's spreadsheet, they used a wrong take IN the original cut.

[Marian Schedenig 8,178]

What nobody seems to have mentioned yet: It's "newly mixed" - that's what I'm perhaps most excited about!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

That's what I told you!

[filmmusic 1,823]

Just now, Stefancos said:

That's what I told you!

Yes, i know. I explained it to DiscoStu.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 minute ago, Marian Schedenig said:

What nobody seems to have mentioned yet: It's "newly mixed" - that's what I'm perhaps most excited about!

 

With Botnick involved!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Just now, filmmusic said:

Yes, i know. I explained it to DiscoStu.

 

And I understand now.  Thanks.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

But I already explained!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

My misunderstanding was that I thought "2002 version" meant the 20th anniversary version of the movie, not the theatrical cut also included in the DVD release.

[filmmusic 1,823]

1 minute ago, Stefancos said:

But I already explained!

DiscoStu thought that the non-triangle version is exclusive to the extended cut.

[Display Name 60]

Cool

[phbart 609]

I heard Spielberg shot an alternate ending with E.T.'s ship getting lost in the Bermuda Triangle (which would lead to a sequel). Since he didn't use it, it might explain the missing triangle as he would like to remove any reference.

[filmmusic 1,823]

Ok, checked the bluray, and both the 7.1 and stereo have the triangle.

Funnily enough the Greek dub, and some other dubs i checked on the same bluray, have the non-triangle version! (i guess they took the dubs from the old dvds that had the wrong take)

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Thats very likely

[Joni Wiljami 1,206]

 I'll have Botanical, now I just need Dear Basketball to make me a whole.

[Marian Schedenig 8,178]

14 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

 

With Botnick involved!

 

His name is Bruce Botanicus now.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Bruce Botanickus

[Jay 37,322]

2 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

To sum it up, here's the Complete Score Presentation in chronological order

 

Your list is exactly correct, but here is my version which includes track numbers for clarity. 

 

1-01 Main Title 1:14
1-02 Far From Home / E.T. Alone 6:57
2-11 The Encounter 1:49
1-03 Bait for E.T. 1:45
1-04 Meeting E.T. 2:08
1-05 E.T.’s New Home 1:28
1-06 The Beginning of a Friendship 2:53
1-07 Toys 3:13
1-08 I’m Keeping Him 2:20
1-09 E.T.’s Powers 2:44
1-10 The Closet 0:53
1-11 E.T. and Elliott Get Drunk 2:57
1-12 Frogs 2:12
2-14 The Kiss 0:49
2-15 Levitation 0:41
1-13 At Home 5:38
1-14 The Magic of Halloween 2:55
1-15 Sending the Signal 3:58
1-16 Searching for E.T. 4:18
1-17 Invading Elliott’s House 2:24
1-18 Stay With Me 2:24
1-19 Losing E.T. 2:04
1-20 E.T. Is Alive 4:22
1-21 The Rescue and Bike Chase 8:07
1-22 The Departure 7:07
1-23 End Credits 3:55

 

TOTAL TIME - 81:16

And in case you prefer Williams' original cue titles instead of sticking with the 1996/2002 Bouzereau inventions, here is the same list again but with Williams' original titles:

 

1-01 Main Title 1:14
1-02 The Forest / Keyes Arrives 6:57
2-11 The Encounter 1:49
1-03 Looking For E.T. 1:45
1-04 The First Meeting 2:08
1-05 In The House 1:28
1-06 Meeting E.T. 2:53
1-07 E.T. And Elliot 3:13
1-08 In The Closet 2:20
1-09 E.T.’s Magic 2:44
1-10 Mary Searches The Closet 0:53
1-11 E.T. Raids The Icebox 2:57
1-12 E.T. Gets An Idea 2:12
2-14 The Quiet Man 0:49
2-15 Levitation 0:41
1-13 Bedtime Stories 5:38
1-14 Halloween 2:55
1-15 E.T.'s Machine 3:58
1-16 Michael's Search 4:18
1-17 Keyes Enters The House 2:24
1-18 "Stay With Me" 2:24
1-19 "He Came To Me" 2:04
1-20 E.T. Phones Home 4:22
1-21 The Rescue / The Bike Chase 8:07
1-22 The Departure 7:07
1-23 End Credits 3:55

 

TOTAL TIME - 81:16

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Okay, I was only able to view the track list on a 10 minute break, but I'm back in the real world, AKA the John Williams Fan Network, which doesn't get track listings for new Williams releases until after websites that aren't that notable or focused on John Williams or even focused on film scores. By the way, I almost tried to log in as E.T. & Elliot.

 

I'm glad to see some of the E.T. ride music is on here. It's the highlight of this release since we already have everything else in good sound quality. Surely, what's included is the most notable Williams piece from the attraction. Something like this was the only chance we ever had at getting it.

 

[Erik Woods 555]

51 minutes ago, Nemesis said:

I think they're talking about The Mission (Amazing Stories).

Whoops!  <<grabscoat>> I'll see myself out 

 

-Erik-

34 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

What nobody seems to have mentioned yet: It's "newly mixed" - that's what I'm perhaps most excited about!

 

Some scores don't need a new mix.  This is one that DOESN'T need one.

 

-Erik-

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

2 hours ago, king mark said:

are you kidding? The last track of The Mission is way better on the original recording by Williams

 

Both versions are worth having. The re-recording of the end credits is performed with more gusto, in my opinion and there's more emphasis on the brass. I listen to that version a lot more. Also, The Landing on the re-recording is an alternate that has the episode version insert, which wasn't on the Intrada CD, but can be edited in via the DVD audio.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

So, E.T.?

[phbart 609]

Phoned home and took off never to be seen again.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

4 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

So, E.T.?

 

On several occasions when people have heard me playing Amazing Stories: The Mission, they thought it was E.T.

[phbart 609]

And both protagonists have magical powers. Makes sense...

[Marian Schedenig 8,178]

35 minutes ago, Erik Woods said:

Some scores don't need a new mix.  This is one that DOESN'T need one.

 

 

I briefly compared the sound of the 1996 and 2002 versions again recently. To be honest, the 2002 doesn't sound as bad as I remembered, but I still don't like it. There's a certain kind of dryness to it that makes it sound neither direct not atmospheric. Dampened, or a bit "dead". The 1996 has marginally more reverb, which is probably artificial (it's the same mix, after all), but makes it sound more lively. So the 2002 release has probably the best authentic sound you can get out of that mix, and I don't like it.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I like the OST and 1996.

[phbart 609]

The 1996 CD sounds the best of all so far. But when it comes to improvements, I think of Jurassic Park. I really didn't think the 1993 CD could sound any better than it did, and the 2013 digital release just reinforced that thought. Then came the 2016 CD and, IMHO, blew the other releases away. So I believe that, in the right hands, there's room always for improvement as the technology evolves.

 

Which makes me very curious about what they've done with the CE3K, since the 1998 CD sounds simply magnificent. The mix was already approved by JW, so let's see what cards will come out of the magician's sleeve.

[Erik Woods 555]

48 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

 

I briefly compared the sound of the 1996 and 2002 versions again recently. To be honest, the 2002 doesn't sound as bad as I remembered, but I still don't like it. There's a certain kind of dryness to it that makes it sound neither direct not atmospheric. Dampened, or a bit "dead". The 1996 has marginally more reverb, which is probably artificial (it's the same mix, after all), but makes it sound more lively. So the 2002 release has probably the best authentic sound you can get out of that mix, and I don't like it.

 

The 1996 and 2002 releases were re-mixed by Shawn Murphy.  Again, there was no need to fart around with it. Burbridge and Botnick did a brilliant job with their original mix.  I hope Matassino and Botnick did do too much with their mix on the LLL edition.  I like Matassino a lot but sometimes his mixes erk me. Less is more in this case!

 

-Erik-

5 minutes ago, phbart said:

The 1996 CD sounds the best of all so far. But when it comes to improvements, I think of Jurassic Park. I really didn't think the 1993 CD could sound any better than it did, and the 2013 digital release just reinforced that thought. Then came the 2016 CD and, IMHO, blew the other releases away. So I believe that, in the right hands, there's room always for improvement as the technology evolves.

 

Which makes me very curious about what they've done with the CE3K, since the 1998 CD sounds simply magnificent. The mix was already approved by JW, so let's see what cards will come out of the magician's sleeve.

 

I don't agree with the Jurassic Park comment.  I can hear compression, especially in the opening cue.  The big boom of those drums sound dampened. The only thing  Jurassic Park need was a boost in overall volume.

 

Sometimes I think the labels just tinker for the sake of tinkering because then they have something different and not necessarily something that is improved. For instance, the original release of Eraser sounds much better than La La Land's mix. But that's just a personal thought.  I love all the labels and what they do for all of us fans is greatly appreciated!  

 

-Erik-

[nightscape94 965]

Nice to see the E.T. Adventure music, or at least a smaller suite of it, on this release.  Looking forward to hearing it.  Thrilled at the prospect of hearing a beautiful presentation of the original score album.  Very interested in the newer extras.

[phbart 609]

12 minutes ago, Erik Woods said:

I like Matassino a lot but sometimes his mixes erk me. Less is more in this case!

The releases where JW pokes his nose in and tells the producers to use album mixes (that were mixed in 1970's or 1980's technology) aimed for medium with limited capability such as vinyl or cassettes... those are the ones we should worry about.

 

The only case where I didn't like MM approach was "1941". I like the 1990 CD mix much better than the 2011 mix. But again, he claimed he was instructed by JW on what direction he should follow, while I'm sure he had other ideas in mind.

[Marian Schedenig 8,178]

23 minutes ago, Erik Woods said:

The 1996 and 2002 releases were re-mixed by Shawn Murphy.  Again, there was no need to fart around with it. Burbridge and Botnick did a brilliant job with their original mix.  I hope Matassino and Botnick did do too much with their mix on the LLL edition.  I like Matassino a lot but sometimes his mixes erk me. Less is more in this case!

 

 

Well, I haven't re-evaluated the original album, but a friend says that while the tracks recorded especially for the album sound good, at least Adventure on Earth (or perhaps all of the film tracks, I don't recall) have a very artificial and unnatural reverb. Botnick is Botnick, so I'm confident that the new mix will be tasteful.

 

I do wonder if CE3K can sound any better than it already does.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Jurassic Park is definitely debatable. It's too loud.

[nightscape94 965]

I really wish there were interviews made of Williams talking about these types of things, such as his views on album presentation, sound mixing, music editing, recording quality, etc.  Interviewers of the world:  Ask the dude some relevant questions!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

He does approve of the sound mixes, but he's deaf in his old age. That's why all the CDs are so loud.

[phbart 609]

The funny thing about JP is that, while some people here claims it's compressed compared to previous releases, Adobe Audition readings of the dynamic range shows that the 2016 has higher dynamic range than the previous releases. I compared tracks that were common to all three releases, and in all cases, the 2016 won. I don't know how accurate those readings are, but they show what they show.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Datameister's the real expert. Data did the first serious work on Jurassic Park. Collected some of its unreleased music. It was his obsession, really.

[A. A. Ron 1,740]

18 minutes ago, phbart said:

The funny thing about JP is that, while some people here claims it's compressed compared to previous releases, Adobe Audition readings of the dynamic range shows that the 2016 has higher dynamic range than the previous releases. I compared tracks that were common to all three releases, and in all cases, the 2016 won. I don't know how accurate those readings are, but they show what they show.

 

Dynamic Range meter shows the 1993 album has the greatest range, followed by the 2016, then the 2013. I'm sure results vary from track to track and like you, I can't speak to how authoritative those results are. The tool was made specifically to compare different releases of the same content though for use with the Dynamic Range database.

[OneBuckFilms 319]

Looks like the new E.T. release will ship around the 22nd.

[phbart 609]

16 minutes ago, Muldoon said:

 

Dynamic Range meter shows the 1993 album has the greatest range, followed by the 2016, then the 2013. I'm sure results vary from track to track and like you, I can't speak to how authoritative those results are. The tool was made specifically to compare different releases of the same content though for use with the Dynamic Range database.

I actually compared individual tracks (the ones that are the same on all releases), and not the whole thing, and indeed the 2016 tracks won. But then, again, I really don't know how accurate this is. The 2016 CD sounds better to me, so I guess it's accurate enough.

 

6 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said:

Looks like the new E.T. release will ship around the 22nd.

So most of us will only get it by October?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Goodness, another shipping delay.

[Arpy 4,145]

Looks good, I'm just wondering why a couple of the film score tracks appear on disc two as opposed to with the rest of the score on disc one?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Space issues. These discs are filled up.

 

Its nooo problem.

[Frank Vincent 227]

1 minute ago, Arpy said:

Looks good, I'm just wondering why a couple of the film score tracks appear on disc two as opposed to with the rest of the score on disc one?

 

There wasn't enough room on the disc to include all the tracks.

[Jay 37,322]

1 hour ago, Arpy said:

Looks good, I'm just wondering why a couple of the film score tracks appear on disc two as opposed to with the rest of the score on disc one?

 

 

The complete score was too long to fit on one disc. 

 

Scroll back just one page and read my chronological track list. The complete score is 81:16 long. 

[Arpy 4,145]

Damn you primitive discs!

[Jay 37,322]

6 hours ago, filmmusic said:

according to your spreadsheet here about the finale:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QpVGzKLbN19_Tw2lwEU7LVglmqL3ogBrUWhTVUwHjww/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&hl=en_US&gid=0#

 

the 1982 ost version on the new cd is the 1982 ost version.

The tracks in cd 1 are either the LD iso score version/2002 dvd (without triangle) or the original theatrical cut version (with triangle)? (without the overlap of course) (have to check what is on the bluray)

and the departure alternate in cd 2 is  the 2002 cd version with the original ouch version?

 

 

The actual theatrical cut from 1982 had the triangle so of course the disc 1 version will too. It was a mistake that later DVD editions of the movie that remixed the music did not use that overlay. 

 

And yes, of course The Departure (Alternate) will feature the original version of the Ouch scene as Williams originally wrote it, since both the disc 1 and the album version feature the Steven's Fix insert. 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I don't dislike the original version, but I think it sounds better on the Erich Kunzel recording. The oboe or clarinet or whatever that is playing E.T.'s theme in that moment sounds better there.

[King Mark 3,626]

Since Botanicus theme is about 3.51 and this cue is 4.21. , maybe there's additional material like the "Men in black" motif we hear just after in the video Evil-Lynn posted

[scallenger 483]

Or maybe the recording/footwarmer we have heard of it is not played at correct speed?

 

And it's 4:12, not 4:21.