Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Jay said: No, that isn't right, lots of mistakes there. Just wait / be willing to give the presented program a try before worrying about it. Especially the program on disc 2 will be interesting, won't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Looks like another perfect JW/Matessino release. I'm very curious about the sequencing and how the album plays out. I'm sure in this case it works like gangbusters. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post phbart 609 Posted November 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Jay said: I actually don't know what caused the album to go from two LPs to one, but it would be great if that can be revealed somewhere somehow! JW: "Hey Arista, let's make this a 2LP set, okay?" Arista: "Sure, Mr. Williams." Will, Ricard and Holko 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 11 hours ago, crumbs said: Maybe if you're an amateur! Oftentimes, even The Conversation gets skipped over. That's not actually legal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 7 hours ago, Incanus said: So the combined cues on the new set won't prevent C&C edit if one chooses to compile it? Or would this require any editing or rather just rearranging the tracks on the new set? Looking at that tracklist some of the cues are combined out of order, but each of them is included again on the other disc with a clean opening or ending. This is really cool because it not only allows for chronological playlists, it also gives the discs a fuller program so each can work as a complete experience on its own. This looks like the kind of release I always dream of. I'm especially excited to check out the pseudo double LP program on Disc 1! Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Anybody got a chance to create spreadsheet or anything like that? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Muldoon said: Looking at that tracklist some of the cues are combined out of order, but each of them is included again on the other disc with a clean opening or ending. This is really cool because it not only allows for chronological playlists, it also gives the discs a fuller program so each can work as a complete experience on its own. This looks like the kind of release I always dream of. Do you mean they will be exact duplicates? because I thought they would be alternates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I remember CE3K was the third soundtrack LP I bought as a young lad back in 77 / 78. Barry’s Abduction scared the hell out of me the first time I listened to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Quote Do you mean they will be exact duplicates? because I thought they would be alternates. It looks like they will be exact duplicates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 The first and the last soundtrack LP I bought was the 1988 Batman of Danny Elfman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 My first and last LP was Monsignor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, El Jefe said: Barry’s Abduction scared the hell out of me the first time I listened to it. It scares the hell out of me every time I listen to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: It scares the hell out of me every time I listen to it! Brilliant stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Works great for student horror film tracking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 how many copies has E.T. sold yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 3,482 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I was about to say 56-57. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 In Germany it sells well As well as Transformers: The Last Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I don;t give a shit about Titanic...never liked that Horner score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I love the cover, very cool retro style! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 7 hours ago, filmmusic said: Do you mean they will be exact duplicates? because I thought they would be alternates. There will be alternates, but there will also technically be some duplicates. Some tracks that are combined with others on Disc 1 will be presented separately on Disc 2 and vice versa. You'd need 2 discs anyway to present everything that was recorded, so it's not like it's a waste. It just allows each disc to have a more complete narrative; allows for a Williams style album program on each; and also allows anal fans to create a chronological playlist for themselves. It's the best of 3 worlds really and it didn't even cost us extra. Jay and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Yes,that's all right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 31 minutes ago, Muldoon said: It's the best of 3 worlds really and it didn't even cost us extra. As I hear it in theory (going back and forth between cd1 & 2), I don't share your sentiments but we'll see when we listen to the cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I am so excited for this release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 #MeToo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Muldoon said: There will be alternates, but there will also technically be some duplicates. Some tracks that are combined with others on Disc 1 will be presented separately on Disc 2 and vice versa. You'd need 2 discs anyway to present everything that was recorded, so it's not like it's a waste. It just allows each disc to have a more complete narrative; allows for a Williams style album program on each; and also allows anal fans to create a chronological playlist for themselves. It's the best of 3 worlds really and it didn't even cost us extra. Crescendo Summit seems to be a exact duplicate. For 80-90 minute scores it is really better to do either two discs of 45 minutes each or to do it like that. Some scores with only 10 minutes on disc 2 are sometimes a bit annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 46 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Crescendo Summit seems to be a exact duplicate. It's not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Maybe we’ll get the answer to where the cue Night Siege belongs in the film. Or has that ever been answered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, El Jefe said: Maybe we’ll get the answer to where the cue Night Siege belongs in the film. Or has that ever been answered? Isn't that just one of Williams' editorially created tracks combining several cues from the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 17 hours ago, Brundlefly said: In Germany it sells well Where do you buy your specialty soundtrack CDs, other than soundtrackcorner? I need to order them abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 France-based MusicBox Records is probably the best European alternative, significantly cheaper than SoundtrackCorner (5-10€ less with delivery) , but stuff like the new E.T. are already sold out. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I’m just glad that by the time I get this around February someone will already have told me the order I need for a complete chronological experience and not have to worry about that myself! Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,000 Posted November 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2017 On 9/3/2017 at 11:38 AM, Richard said: It was part of the OST, and it's part of the Varèse, so I see no reason why it wouldn't be included. Williams didn't want the disco track on this release. Simple as. At least that is what MV posted on FSM forum. EDIT. Some more comments from Mike Matessino from FSM board: Quote This is one of the most satisfying releases I've gotten to work on. The best way to make sense out of the assembly is to not study it on paper. Just listen to the music when you get it, let it work on you like the UFO blasting Roy with light. Analyze and play around with it later. There is actually a third typo on the LP, so here is a teaching moment: It's "Devils Tower" with NO apostrophe. It's a tower for ALL devils. The end credits with the instrumental arrangement of "When You Wish Upon a Star" was planned from the beginning. It was the first thing recorded on Day 2 of the sessions. After the movie was done, Spielberg decided to use the actual song recording from Pinocchio instead and the movie was dubbed with that in October and was previewed that way. The reaction was not good and rather than revert to the instrumental version, Spielberg opted to have tracked music run over the second half of the credits. The original intent was restored for the 1980 S/E and remains exclusive to that version. The 2LP album that Williams prepared ALSO included the actual Pinocchio song on it. So when it was dropped from the movie the album track was hurriedly fixed by simply taking the edited film mix and laying it off, which is why it always sounded inferior. At the same time it was also decided to cut the whole thing down to a single LP release. It's possible someone at Arista heard it and decided it didn't have the same sales potential as Star Wars. Some of what was done for the album stayed, other things were lost, and tracks like "Climbing Devils Tower" were hurriedly cobbled together. Originally the whole thing was fairly chronological and we've kept to that. Williams was also asked to arrange the disco theme, which he didn't really want to do and that's why on this project he asked that we not include it. Again someone must have seen what was happening with disco (the Meco Star Wars theme hit the charts and there was a lot of buzz about Saturday Night Fever). It was recorded in the 2nd week of November, so the album was already done. And that's why it was a separate 33 rpm single. Interestingly, the 8-track release actually STARTED with the disco theme! It should be noted that nothing was recorded specifically for the album. Anything that was not in the movie was either an alternate, or partially for a deleted scene, or dialed out of the mix. Nor are there any alternate takes because Ken Wannberg used the original first generation multi-track tapes to edit the performances together. "Inside" was indeed recorded with the Boston Pops in June 1980, with Spielberg and Michael Kahn present for it on their way to France to start Raiders. It was done that way because of Williams' Pops schedule and the opportunity was taken to integrate the new material into an updated version of the concert suite for Williams' first album with the orchestra, "Pops In Space." That album was done at the same time but the performance of that section is not at all the same as what was done for the film. Mike M. Karol crumbs, Ricard, Jurassic Shark and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Where do you buy your specialty soundtrack CDs, other than soundtrackcorner? I need to order them abroad. I don't order them anywhere else. Now, since I'm in Canada, a friend orders them for me (but still from soundtrackcorner), so that they're already there, when I get back home. Maybe they offer free shipping worldwide this Christmas, as they did last year. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Free shipping for Christmas sounds great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Quote "The end credits with the instrumental arrangement of "When You Wish Upon a Star" was planned from the beginning. It was the first thing recorded on Day 2 of the sessions. After the movie was done, Spielberg decided to use the actual song recording from Pinocchio instead and the movie was dubbed with that in October and was previewed that way. The reaction was not good..." Naturally! What was Spielberg thinking??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 9 hours ago, crocodile said: Nor are there any alternate takes because Ken Wannberg used the original first generation multi-track tapes to edit the performances together. What does MM mean by this? Are the alternates lost due to Ken Wannberg? 9 hours ago, crocodile said: Williams didn't want the disco track on this release. Simple as. At least that is what MV posted on FSM forum. EDIT. Some more comments from Mike Matessino from FSM board: I support the exclusion of the disco version. Stylistically it doesn't fit with the score, and it's just an embarrassment for JW. Interesting explanation from MM of why the original end titles cue was discarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 damn..i f williams arranged the disco theme...i want it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 26 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: damn..i f williams arranged the disco theme...i want it! I'm sure Disco Stu agrees with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I think the inclusion of "When You Wish Upon a Star" is inspired and wonderful. But just tracking in a performance from Pinocchio is a bad idea, glad they abandoned that. Williams arrangement/incorporation into the end credits is just classic people! 18 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'm sure Disco Stu agrees with you! I like good disco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,053 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I think the inclusion of "When You Wish Upon a Star" is inspired and wonderful. But just tracking in a performance from Pinocchio is a bad idea, glad they abandoned that. Williams arrangement/incorporation into the end credits is just classic people! It's indeed masterfully done. I've often wondered whether JW/Spielberg had to pay royalties to the right holders of When you wish upon a star because of JW's quotation of the theme, or is the quote so small and concealed that they didn't have to? 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I like good disco. ABBA has got some great disco songs! Much better than the disco versions of JW's great soundtracks. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Quote "Inside" was indeed recorded with the Boston Pops in June 1980, with Spielberg and Michael Kahn present for it on their way to France to start Raiders. It was done that way because of Williams' Pops schedule and the opportunity was taken to integrate the new material into an updated version of the concert suite for Williams' first album with the orchestra, "Pops In Space." That album was done at the same time but the performance of that section is not at all the same as what was done for the film. Finally, mystery solved! The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I mentioned that months ago, Ricard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I mentioned that months ago, Ricard. I mentioned that years ago, Steef. But this is the first actual confirmation that the film recording is not the same as the one from the suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 No, my previous mention of it a few months ago was the first actual confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 8 hours ago, El Jefe said: Maybe we’ll get the answer to where the cue Night Siege belongs in the film. Or has that ever been answered? "Night Siege" on the original LP has always been nothing more than "Trucking" and "Barnstorming" combined together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Somewhere in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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