Alex 2,833 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Interesting article in The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2017/sep/18/hans-zimmer-blade-runner-2049-film-composer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Let's hope! The damage is done though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Well, I guess it had been a little while since we had one of these threads. OK everybody. Have fun, get it out of your system, but keep it sportsmanlike. Play ball! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Zimmer as a businessman ruined film music as as a field for artistic individualism, as much as it was. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Zimmer will get his inevitable Oscar nom for Dunkirk, and producers and directors will constantly be asking to use that score for temp-tracking, don't ya worry! We aren't out of the "dark times", just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fancyarcher 350 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 As long as Zimmer continues to make simple repetitive "pounding" music that filmmakers can easily change around, nothing gonna's change I'm afraid. I do think he's a decent choice for Blade Runner 2049 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I reached my Zimmer peak a long, long time ago. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Nice that the article is aware that Zimmer himself is not responsible for everyone else aping one little corner of his output, but why assume that BR2 will receive bombastic treatment? The sensitive moments of Inception tease what Hans can do with electronic melancholy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,450 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Ooh! "Find your soulmate". I'm signing up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 *sigh* Another Zimmer-bashing thread? Really? As much as I was disappointed by Johannsson's departure, I can hardly think of a better and more suited project for Zimmer than the new BLADE RUNNER. He would have been my original first choice when Vangelis was not available. While my favourite Zimmer period is the 90s, I'm still amazed by how much he pushes himself still. I can see him doing that for several more decades, regardless of what his 'copycats' do. So no, we've not necessarily seen his creative 'peak'. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 The writer was clearly not arguing this is Zimmer's creative peak, but his influential peak. I would disagree on both counts as I feel he his past both. bollemanneke and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I hope he is past his influential peak, but I don't think he's burned out creatively yet. Nolan, at least, will keep him honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 So in reading that article I learn that Vangelis is still making music...something I did not know. I just assumed he had retired. So if that's the case, why isn't he scoring BR2049? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 It is not that what is written is not true, but the author says he wrote the article after the public "outraged" created the hashtag #StopHansZimmer. This hashtag did not exist until the article was published. That smells like publicity. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2017 Anyway, I blame musically illiterate and unadventurous filmmakers for the current state of film music, not Hans Zimmer. crumbs, Brónach and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: So in reading that article I learn that Vangelis is still making music...something I did not know. I just assumed he had retired. So if that's the case, why isn't he scoring BR2049? He just released first album in fifteen years the prior year. For all we know, he may have been approached for Blade Runner, and simply wasn't interested. He hasn't worked on a major film since 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Anyway, I blame musically illiterate and unadventurous filmmakers for the current state of film music, not Hans Zimmer. I don't blame Zimmer at all. Any more than I blame Lucas and Spielberg for inventing the modern blockbuster. Zimmer is who he is. You might as well blame a cocker spaniel for barking. It's the insatiable demand by studios for his brand (and I do mean brand) of music that caused him to start farming the work out. Zimmer's scores have their place. I just wish it wasn't everyplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 381 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Nick1066 said: So in reading that article I learn that Vangelis is still making music...something I did not know. I just assumed he had retired. So if that's the case, why isn't he scoring BR2049? Put simply, he wasn't asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 They probably thought it'd be too old fashioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Our only other option is usually Giacchino. Either way we lose. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Zimmer has more skill and talent than Mozart. Stop whinging, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 It's treason, then. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,382 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 3 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Because Hans Zimmer is at its peak. Scores like Gladiator, Last Samurai and Black Hawk Down are badly overscored. The music has no dramatic effect, when it's playing the whole fucking time and especially not, when it's playing during the war and heavy combat scenes! He latently spoiled those movies for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I don't think composers usually decide which scenes get music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Sure they do. That's what a spotting session is for, although of course they're not the only one making the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I still remember in the 1990s when people were saying the same thing about Williams. Because yes, every Williams score sounded like Williams and every non-Williams score sounded like bad Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 That is completely true. And just as the stretch of lukewarm grandiose symphonic blockbusters gave way to big drums and chugging strings, big drums and chugging strings will give way to something else. The former phase did diminish my ability to enjoy many of Williams' most popular "big scores," but the latter hasn't totally killed my appreciation of the very fine Zimmer works being aped. I don't want him to do any more, though. That's the difference I guess, that Williams kept going in a very similar direction to the one he had been for most of his subsequent scores. The big departures of 2000 - 2005 are why I love that period of his so much. But the corner of Zimmer's body of work diluted by imitations is really quite small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Fancyarcher said: He just released first album in fifteen years the prior year. For all we know, he may have been approached for Blade Runner, and simply wasn't interested. He hasn't worked on a major film since 2004. He wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Quote What’s particularly galling in the Blade Runner 2049 case is that this sort of bombast has nothing to do with Ridley Scott’s 1982 film, save for the closing credits. Finally somebody feels they way I do ... (some sunny day). 7 hours ago, Nick1066 said: So in reading that article I learn that Vangelis is still making music...something I did not know. I just assumed he had retired. So if that's the case, why isn't he scoring BR2049? if I was Villeneuve or Scott (and I had followed Vangelis' musical development over the decades), I wouldn't have called him either, as harsh it that may sound. I mean, just listen to the bonus CD (from the Anniversary version of the original soundtrack) where Vangelis is building on the original music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 They should have got Kenny G. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Bryan Tyler Bates! Junkie XL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Alexcremers said: if I was Villeneuve or Scott (and I had followed Vangelis' musical development over the decades), I wouldn't have called him either, as harsh it that may sound. I mean, just listen to the bonus CD (from the Anniversary version of the original soundtrack) where Vangelis is building on the original music. Well Vaneglis' Blade Runner score is at least somewhat overrated anyway. Parts of it works brilliantly in context of the film (which I concede is the first priority of any score), but I've never found it to be satisfying as a solitary listening experience. So yeah, I can't imagine any "expanded" version of the score w/new material would be much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Well Vaneglis' Blade Runner score is at least somewhat overrated anyway. Parts of it works brilliantly in context of the film (which I concede is the first priority of any score), but I've never found it to be satisfying as a solitary listening experience. So yeah, I can't imagine any "expanded" version of the score w/new material would be much better. I agree, but then again, Blade Runner's images and sound are so interwoven that it's about the only movie where I can't break up the relationship. It's a perfect symbiosis. If I remember it correctly, I think it was Nerdwriter who actually said the same thing about the score of the movie. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 10 hours ago, Disco Stu said: The writer was clearly not arguing this is Zimmer's creative peak, but his influential peak. I would disagree on both counts as I feel he his past both. Well, we'll have to disagree on that. Just when you think there are no more ways for him to go, he pulls out something like INTERSTELLAR. So yeah, I don't think he's passed his creative peak. As for 'influential peak', that's difficult to speculate. He's the biggest composer right now (sorry, Williams, Morricone etc.), and will probably remain so for a few more years. I can understand why people don't want him to take over every major franchise (like Giacchino), but you also have to ask yourself this: is the project suited to Zimmer's sensibilities? In the case of the BLADE RUNNER -- however the film turns out -- I'm more interested in this suitability than it being another example of him "taking over" something. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 *sigh* Another Zimmer discussion thread! Really?! I am out of here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Alexcremers said: Blade Runner's images and sound are so interwoven that it's about the only movie where I can't break up the relationship. It's a perfect symbiosis. I agree. 58 minutes ago, Thor said: Just when you think there are no more ways for him to go, he pulls out something like INTERSTELLAR. So yeah, I don't think he's passed his creative peak. As for 'influential peak', that's difficult to speculate. He's the biggest composer right now (sorry, Williams, Morricone etc.), and will probably remain so for a few more years. I can understand why people don't want him to take over every major franchise (like Giacchino), but you also have to ask yourself this: is the project suited to Zimmer's sensibilities? In the case of the BLADE RUNNER -- however the film turns out -- I'm more interested in this suitability than it being another example of him "taking over" something. I agree. Wow, I'm agreeing w/both cremers & thor this morning. There's been a cosmic shift somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, Incanus said: *sigh* Another Zimmer discussion thread! Really?! I am out of here! It's a laxative the board is required to swallow every few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: It's a laxative the board is required to swallow every few months The easiest solution would be no more Zimmer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Not that there's anything wrong w/the Gladiator score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 211 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 ya haters be damned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I wonder if Zimmer would call himself Lord Zimmer. Hmm ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Nick1066 said: One morning I came home after being out all night...a friend had opened up a new Italian restaurant in London near Covent Garden and we closed the place down, then helped ourselves to his wine cellar. When I got home I collapsed on the couch but didn't feel like sleeping (or so I thought) so I popped in the Gladiator DVD. Fell asleep like 5 minutes later of course. Eventually, the movie played through and the DVD switched back to the menu screen, which looped 60 seconds from the main theme as the menu reset. Over. And over. And over. For 12 hours. Having drank all night, I was constantly in that half awake/asleep dream state where time and space have no meaning and I couldn't figure out why I kept hearing the same piece of music again and again, and how long was this movie anyway? Didn't even have the energy or presence of mind to reach for the remote and turn it off. That thing turned into an ear worm that stayed with me until it was mercifully replaced by Hedwig's Theme. Not that there's anything wrong w/the Gladiator score, but after that, I didn't want to hear anything from Zimmer and pretty much ignored everything he did soundtrack wise until Interstellar. Some nights though, I wake up in a cold sweat and can still hear it...the screaming of the Hans. That's an intriguing story. Thanks for sharing. Never underestimate the subconscious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Yeah, I saw that. I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted . Probably a little from column A, a little from column B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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