Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 9 hours ago, JohnSolo said: It's crazy that at the age of 32, Hurwitz already has two Oscars, two Golden Globes, and a host of other awards under his belt for his score for La La Land. Who knows, maybe he'll be the next Williams. That would be fine, but who will be the next Goldsmith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Poor Leonard Rosenman. Has he made anyone's list? Even the Top 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 He'd probably be in my top 5 composers who scored Tolkien adaptations. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Rosenman is definitely in my top 5 composers who have scored Star Trek films! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I'd even dare say he'd be in my top 3 composers who scored Robocop movies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Nick1066 said: Poor Leonard Rosenman. Has he made anyone's list? Even the Top 10? If it's any comfort, Rosenman would be on top of his own list. Rest his soul, but I've never seen anyone as high on himself as that man. I like this STAR TREK IV, but was never really able to get into much else. And I tried several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Thor said: If it's any comfort, Rosenman would be on top of his own list. Rest his soul, but I've never seen anyone as high on himself as that man. I like this STAR TREK IV, but was never really able to get into much else. And I tried several times. Well no kidding. I read a quote of his once bemoaning that his LOTR score was wasted on an inferior film. That's just the kind of thing that, even if true, you don't really say. For the record, his LOTR score is pretty good (though perhaps hasn't aged so well...and does sound remarkably like Star Trek IV), and the main theme is wonderful. But the movie isn't that bad at all, and in fact the first half is pretty good. Anyway, if you liked Star Trek IV, you should give his LOTR a try. 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: He'd probably be in my top 5 composers who scored Tolkien adaptations. Above or below Stephen Oliver and Maury Laws?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 There are many such Rosenman quotes to marvel over. You mentioned one of the more "mild" ones. He also tended to look down on film, trying instead to highlight his concert music. And whenever someone asked him why he didn't score this or that, or did some small B-movie, he always had an "excuse". Some intriguing interviews: http://www.runmovies.eu/leonard-rosenman-on-scoring-star-trek-iv/ http://www.runmovies.eu/leonard-rosenman/ A random quote that illustrates his curious personality: Quote The EAST OF EDEN score is considered by many (along with Bernard Herrmann and Alex North), to be the score that really brought music in films into the twentieth century. My great admirer was Benny Herrmann at the time. He was really the anti-John Williams when it comes to humility. Speaking of John Williams, there were a couple of intriguing quotes as well: Quote I don’t mean to disparage John Williams, because I think he’s wonderful, but I think that the thing that really gave John Williams this enormous reputation from STAR WARS was the main and end title. That’s about the only thing you can really hear. Quote You did HELLFIGHTERS.John Williams was supposed to do that, but he got appendicitis and I was asked to step in. It had a good ‘western’ theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 "My great admirer" Rosenman's Fantastic Voyage score is pretty great. And quite Herrmann-esque! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Ouch. Yeah, those quotes are pretty bad. Not everyone is as classy as Williams...didn't Horner (RIP) publicly dis Yared's Troy score pretty harshly? Seems I recall something along those lines. I also think he slammed Wolfgang Peterson in that interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Nick1066 said: Above or below Stephen Oliver and Maury Laws?! Low below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Where dead men go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Your bones will show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 7 hours ago, Nick1066 said: Ouch. Yeah, those quotes are pretty bad. Not everyone is as classy as Williams...didn't Horner (RIP) publicly dis Yared's Troy score pretty harshly? Seems I recall something along those lines. I also think he slammed Wolfgang Peterson in that interview. Horner said that Yared didn't know how to score "big movies", and insulted him throughout the interview, saying his Troy score was "bad". Horner had a pretty huge ego, as you can imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 From what I've heard, in interviews, Horner didn't have a nice word to say about anyone...except Horner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Horner came off as "full of it" in all of the interviews I read of him in the past. Doesn't make me think less of his melodic skills though. Plenty of talented people have huge egos, some are just making it seem less apparent then others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 That's not really my impression at all. Rather, I think he was very "Hollywood-minded", and had trouble adapting to alternative approaches to filmmaking. Like when he said "THE NEW WORLD could have been a great love story a la TITANIC" in the interview with Daniel Schweiger a few years back. He simply didn't get Malick's alternative way of doing things. So that was sorta a limitation in his mindset. But I think he was refreshingly honest in his interviews -- no "ass-kissing", which is to typical of Hollywood folks. I also think he was a very humble and self-critical person when I met him in 2013. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I will I say I did like how open and honest Horner was about current film-scoring in any interview I read of him a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1) John Williams 2) James Horner 3) Elliot Goldenthal 4) Jerry Goldsmith 5) John Powell 2 hours ago, Richard said: From what I've heard, in interviews, Horner didn't have a nice word to say about anyone...except Horner... Most people agree, Horner was not a nice person. Most people agree, he was a very fine composer. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, karelm said: Most people agree, Horner was not a nice person. What foundation do you have to say that? And who are these "most people"? Quite the contrary, he was a very nice person. Don't conflate honesty in interviews with the degree of "niceness" as a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Just now, Fancyarcher said: I will I say I did like how open and honest Horner was about current film-scoring in any interview I read of him a few years back. a YouTube interview in which he is with your blue scarf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Horner kept that "accent", up until the end. Good interview, he really wears that scarf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 My favourite Horner quote ever comes at 24:51. Out of context, of course, but I find it funny when he says it. Karol James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 13 hours ago, karelm said: Most people agree, Horner was not a nice person. Being a nice person is overrated these days. You don't get anything or anywhere in life for being "nice." You don't get respect from other guys, and you don't get the hot girls. Personally I'm only nice to my girlfriend, family, and close friends. To everybody else I'm one mean son of a gun. So James Horner was right! 13 hours ago, karelm said: 5) John Powell What good scores did he write!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, Josh500 said: What good scores did he write!? Evolution the original Bourne trilogy X-Men 3 Horton Hears a Who! How to Train Your Dragon 1 & 2 To name but a few. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 01. Pan Not Mr. Big and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Really? I don't think I knew that about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 He is the Pan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Josh500 said: Being a nice person is overrated these days. You don't get anything or anywhere in life for being "nice." You don't get respect from other guys, and you don't get the hot girls. Personally I'm only nice to my girlfriend, family, and close friends. To everybody else I'm one mean son of a gun. Riiiiggght. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 43 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Evolution the original Bourne trilogy X-Men 3 Horton Hears a Who! How to Train Your Dragon 1 & 2 To name but a few. Out of these, I have only seen the Bourne trilogy, and the music didn't particularly stick in my mind.... Hmmm. I guess I need to revisit these movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Well, it's a sound that's been so imitated in the last 15 years, your mileage may vary. I can still remember how interesting and nifty the Bourne scores were when they were first coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 There was a great little quip between Powell and David Arnold on Facebook about Bourne. Can't remember the original topic, but Arnold essentially said "I had to copy this from every temp score" to which Powell responded, "Payback for Independence Day." Not Mr. Big and Brónach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristian Lee 34 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1. James Newton Howard 2. Joe Hisaishi 3. James Horner 4. Trevor Jones 5. John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Josh500 said: Being a nice person is overrated these days. You don't get anything or anywhere in life for being "nice." You don't get respect from other guys, and you don't get the hot girls. Personally I'm only nice to my girlfriend, family, and close friends. To everybody else I'm one mean son of a gun. So I take it your girlfriend isn't hot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 26 minutes ago, Cristian Lee said: 2. Joe Hisaishi Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: So I take it your girlfriend isn't hot? Rude and uncalled for. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Rude and uncalled for. Follow the logic...you'll get there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Nick1066 said: So I take it your girlfriend isn't hot? Of course she is. Once she's your girlfriend, that's different. Of course be nice to her. You should avoid being the "nice guy" around hot girls whom you aren't dating yet. Hell, don't you know anything? 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Rude and uncalled for. Some people are just clueless. You gotta feel sorry for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Josh500 said: Of course she is. Once she's your girlfriend, that's different. Of course be nice to her. You should avoid being the "nice guy" around hot girls whom you aren't dating yet. Hell, don't you know anything? Of course I do. I self-identify as a hot girl! Please respect this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Of course I do. I self-identify as a hot girl! Please respect this. Sure, whatever. But enough about this. We're here to talk about our Top 5 film composers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1. John Williams 2. Jerry Goldsmith 3. Bernard Herrmann 4. Akira Ifukube 5. Michael Giacchino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 So are you back or are you not back? What's this game you're playing, Mr. O? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, El Jefe said: 4. Akira Ifukube Great choice! Which scores by him do you have, and which do you like best? Listening to this now. Slightly reminiscent of JW's War of the Worlds. Might have been one of JW's inspirations.... https://youtu.be/PDeU42u2s2Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 32 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Some people are just clueless. You gotta feel sorry for them. Oh, crikey, lighten up Francis. I was just taking the piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Forget it, Nick1066. It's Josh500. (Damn, people with numbers in their usernames...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 On 9/22/2017 at 4:30 PM, Thor said: What foundation do you have to say that? And who are these "most people"? Quite the contrary, he was a very nice person. Don't conflate honesty in interviews with the degree of "niceness" as a person. There were session players who were quite indifferent to his death based on experiences they had in sessions. And I have heard many of them from people who worked with him in various capacities. This stuff comes up frequently in hearing of stories of him at work. One could say he didn't handle stress well and passed it on to the orchestra and his team. That is not considered a good trait. He was not known to be a nice person to those who worked with/for him. He would fire someone in front of the group to humiliate them rather than privately and some of them were quite prominent. Remember this is a tight community of musicians who mostly all know each other. He told the horn section during a session of some very difficult passage, "I don't give a f_ck your tired let's do another take." Some of my friends were fired by him only to be re-hired next time he needed their skills. The way they made it sound was he was sort of a man with a child's attitude. I will also say I heard he mellowed through a few humiliations late in life. Early in life (I have a friend who knew him before he was famous as a high school teen in LA then known as Jamie and how great his ego was even then that it was offensive and annoying to friends and classmates. This same person also grieved at Horner's loss. What is undeniable, he was truly talented and a very gifted composer. In retrospect we do not let his personality quirks cloud our judgement of his music. But it is part of the complicated story of James Horner. You should remember with all this said, he is one of my top five favorites but is not generally considered to be a nice guy and I frankly think that is irrelevant to this discussion. On 9/23/2017 at 6:05 AM, Josh500 said: Being a nice person is overrated these days. You don't get anything or anywhere in life for being "nice." You don't get respect from other guys, and you don't get the hot girls. Personally I'm only nice to my girlfriend, family, and close friends. To everybody else I'm one mean son of a gun. So James Horner was right! What good scores did he write!? Perhaps. One could counter argue being an ass is overrated too so your point isn't very convincing. I know many assholes with horrible lives. There are many things more important in life than gaining the respect of others. I will tell you I know a holocaust survivor who was very impressed and held a respect for his captures when they arrived in his memory as a young boy watching the arrival of the nazi army compared to his own army. They had respect for those soldiers in a way. You overestimate respect and your "hot girls" analogy demonstrates immaturity. Look up the "white rose" group during the Nazi regime to learn the definition of bravery of heroism. Honesty and truth to one's voice despite the intense pressure are far more important. Respect can imply complacency to the popular thinking and some might rightly despise or fear that. Good Powell scores: My opinion is not so much of the projects he has scored as it is on the quality of the work he has produced. How to Train Your Dragon 1 and 2 are very fine. I thought Chicken Run had some very fine musical sequences. He has a wide vocabulary and range of technique and dramatic expressive range plus a real command of technique. Not Mr. Big and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 10 hours ago, Josh500 said: Great choice! Which scores by him do you have, and which do you like best? Listening to this now. Slightly reminiscent of JW's War of the Worlds. Might have been one of JW's inspirations.... https://youtu.be/PDeU42u2s2Y Most of his scores available on CD are related to the sci-fi / Kaiju genre. The are quite a few compilations featuring music from the many films he’s scored. In my collection Godzilla King Kong vs Godzilla Mothra vs Godzilla Ghidorah the 3 Headed Monster Monster Zero Destroy All Monsters Godzilla vs Gigan (no original compositions, just tracked music from various films Ifukube scored) Terror of Mecha-Godzilla Godzilla vs King Ghidorah Godzilla vs Mothra Godzilla vs Mecha-Godzilla Godzilla vs Destroyer Varan The Mysterians War of the Gargantuas Dogora Frankenstein Conquers The World Rodan King Kong Escapes Lattitude Zero Space Ameoba Daimajin trilogy Battle in Outer Space Little Prince And The Eight Headed Dragon Birth Of Japan Atragon Tale of Osaka Castle Whale God plus numerous compilations of other films he’s scored. My favorites are Godzilla, Rodan, King Kong vs Godzilla, Varan, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla and Little Prince And the Eight Headed Dragon. I have quite a few CDs of his non film works, which I highly recommend. some of the pieces from those I recommend; Sinfonia Tapkaara Ballata Sinfonica Symphony Concertante for Piano and Orchestra Symphonic Ode - Gotama The Buddha (which is a reworking of his score to Buddha) Overature to the Philippines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 Wow, that is quite a collection! Do you own (or at least have you seen) all these movies, as well? Here's a legendary but somewhat underrated composer worth exploring, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I’ve seen / own most of them. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 7 hours ago, karelm said: There were session players who were quite indifferent to his death based on experiences they had in sessions. And I have heard many of them from people who worked with him in various capacities. This stuff comes up frequently in hearing of stories of him at work. One could say he didn't handle stress well and passed it on to the orchestra and his team. That is not considered good, Thor. Sorry, he was not known to be a nice person to those who worked for him. He would fire someone in front of the group to humiliate them rather than privately and some of them were quite prominent. Remember this is a tight community of musicians who mostly all know each other. He told the horn section during a session of some very difficult passage, "I don't give a f_ck your tired let's do another take." He would literally call them to the podium to berate them sort of stories. Some of my friends were fired by him only to be re-hired next time he needed their skills. The way they made it sound was he was sort of a man with a child's attitude. I will also say I heard he mellowed through a few humiliations late in life. Early in life (I have a friend who knew him before he was famous as a high school teen in LA then known as Jamie and how great his ego was that it was offensive and annoying to everyone. We see glimpses of this in early interviews. Aren't you a film music historian? You would know this. What is undeniable, he was truly talented and a very gifted composer. In retrospect we do not let his personality quirks cloud our judgement of his music. But it is part of the complicated story of James Horner. You should remember with all this said, he is one of my top five favorites but is not generally considered to be a nice guy and I frankly think that is irrelevant to this discussion. Well, I've never worked with Horner, but I've spent some time with him -- both during my interview and later in the evening (including some of his closest). So at least I have some first-hand experience rather than second-hand stories or urban legends to go on when assessing his "niceness". Again, I separate strongly between this very personal trait and being honest in interviews or uncompromising in work situations. Apples and oranges. James Horner was a nice guy, period. You really have no right to call someone 'not nice' without ever actually having met said person. Same with members on a messageboard, really. I've seen some despicable internet personalities over the years (there is one, in particular, on FSM right now), but I really don't know how that person is IRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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