Jay 37,287 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 You can discuss the trailer itself in the thread for the film, please limit discussion in this thread just to the music. Thanks! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Not Williams but it uses the themes at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah, love the music!!!! Even though it's almost certainly not JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,287 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 It proved to me how good his new TFA themes are because other composers can take them and do interesting variations on them. Rey's Theme and The Jedi Steps will stand the test of time as some of film scores' all time best themes BuzzLightyear, Holko, crumbs and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Not Williams but fun music that avoids cliche Zimmer drones and horns to elicit emotion. Fun use of strings after the initial opening of the trailer. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah continues the tradition of SW trailer music being a cut above the rest (in no small part, of course, due to JW's themes). Great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The opening is Williams, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Arpy said: The opening is Williams, right? That piano melody in the beginning sounds like the music box melody from Harry Gets His Hand Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I thought it sounded meh IMHO, the themes didn't seem "variated" enough to fit the trailer music style of the surrounding stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, artguy360 said: Not Williams but fun music that avoids cliche Zimmer drones and horns to elicit emotion. Excuse me? This is Zimmerised to the bone. Joni Wiljami, MikeH, Biodome and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 For @Cerebral Cortex and anyone else who's avoiding trailers, here's a (low-quality) isolated music track I found: https://youtu.be/vVwIjwcJXFk EDIT: Just after I posted this, the link was taken down. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Excuse me? This is Zimmerised to the bone. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 It goes to show the strength of the themes when they're applied in a whole other musical context and still able to stand on their own. Will, crumbs, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I agree. Aside from Williams themes, this sounds like typical trailer music sound. Maybe it was all the SFX but the themes sounded off to me. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 not Williams. Movie looks cool though . I have a better feeling than the first trailer Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 So many awesome scenes for Williams to score! Not Mr. Big, TheUlyssesian, BuzzLightyear and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 I liked the previous trailer's music better. It was "nerdier," if that makes sense, incorporating not just the main line of Rey's theme but some of the minor motifs as well. Actually, in one statement of Kylo Ren's theme (over some ship destruction in the second half, I believe) I even thought I heard an incorrect note. As Will stated, though, it's miles ahead of other franchises' trailer music. And it is a strong testament to the continued influence of Williams' music (even his newest music) that we have character-appropriate leitmotivic music being custom-written for a commercial. TheUlyssesian, Pieter Boelen, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, igger6 said: I liked the previous trailer's music better. It was "nerdier," if that makes sense, incorporating not just the main line of Rey's theme but some of the minor motifs as well. Actually, in one statement of Kylo Ren's theme (over some ship destruction in the second half, I believe) I even thought I heard an incorrect note. As Will stated, though, it's miles ahead of other franchises' trailer music. And it is a strong testament to the continued influence of Williams' music (even his newest music) that we have character-appropriate leitmotivic music being custom-written for a commercial. Yeah, I actually was not even sure if that was intended to be a variation of his theme. It's definitely a little different. But I liked it, in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I noticed Jedi steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 It's just the strings underneath making it sound odd Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yep Jedi Steps was nice to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Will said: For @Cerebral Cortex and anyone else who's avoiding trailers, here's a (low-quality) isolated music track I found: https://youtu.be/vVwIjwcJXFk EDIT: Just after I posted this, the link was taken down. Even if it was already taken down when I got here, I really appreciate you sending that our way nonetheless. Thanks for thinking of me, Will. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 Here's the music isolated in decent quality (uploaded by yours truly): Cerebral Cortex, Will and Quintus 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Oh baby, now we're talking. Thanks so much for your efforts, man(akin). Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Is it probable that this trailer music is informed by the score proper? Han Solo and the Princess featured prominently in the TFA marketing and Williams used it in the TFA score. Surely if Jedi Steps, Rey's Theme and Ren's motif were getting jettisoned, they wouldn't feature in the marketing for TLJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Oh my, I hate these generic trailers!! MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: Is it probable that this trailer music is informed by the score proper? Han Solo and the Princess featured prominently in the TFA marketing and Williams used it in the TFA score. Surely if Jedi Steps, Rey's Theme and Ren's motif were getting jettisoned, they wouldn't feature in the marketing for TLJ? Not necessarily. Han Solo and the Princess was well established for over 30 years by the time TFA's marketing started. I doubt the trailer companies get access to the score itself. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 By the way, how do we know this trailer music was adapted by some other composer? Anyway, it sounds great! Here's to hoping Jedi Steps gets a full four-minute ultimate concert version treatment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Well, it's clearly not Williams, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Well, it's clearly not Williams, that's for sure. So this isn't officially confirmed information, but just our assumption based on what we hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Well, it's pretty obvious. I mean, anyone who has ever heard any of John's music would instantly know that's just generic trailer music by some trailer house. Probably Frederick Lloyd again or someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yes, John Williams it ain't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, Josh500 said: By the way, how do we know this trailer music was adapted by some other composer? Anyway, it sounds great! Here's to hoping Jedi Steps gets a full four-minute ultimate concert version treatment! They may have simply reorchestrated it by someone else, or possibly added it in the editing room. It definitely doesn't feel like Williams, even though the actual music is decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 So the themes showcased are Jedi Steps, Kylo Ren, Rey and of course Force. I always thought of Jedi Steps as a trailer theme - it is just extremely dramatic sounding and very memorable. I infact predicted that they would surely use it in a trailer for VIII. Rey's Theme I also hope is now sticking with the audience because I can imagine it getting a lot of play in the film. Kyle's motif is distinctive enough and while might earn the noriety of Vader's March it can still be a good signifier of evil for audiences. I have a feeling Jedi Steps might be Luke's new theme in the Messiah mode or something. It seems to link somehow with Luke. It's a credit to Williams that THREE themes from his previous score are being used in trailers for the next one. Can't think of any other films which did that. Did even LOTR trailers use multiple themes from previous films? Will have to go and check. fatehbaz, crumbs, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 59 minutes ago, Fancyarcher said: They may have simply reorchestrated it by someone else, or possibly added it in the editing room. It definitely doesn't feel like Williams, even though the actual music is decent. It doesn't really sound like JW, sure. But that doesn't mean it's not JW. Point is, we don't know. This is a new director, so maybe he wanted a different sound or whatever. And anyway, why would they use "inferior" music adapted by someone else when the score has already been recorded!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: So the themes showcased are Jedi Steps, Kylo Ren, Rey and of course Force. I always thought of Jedi Steps as a trailer theme - it is just extremely dramatic sounding and very memorable. I infact predicted that they would surely use it in a trailer for VIII. Rey's Theme I also hope is now sticking with the audience because I can imagine it getting a lot of play in the film. Kyle's motif is distinctive enough and while might earn the noriety of Vader's March it can still be a good signifier of evil for audiences. I have a feeling Jedi Steps might be Luke's new theme in the Messiah mode or something. It seems to link somehow with Luke. It's a credit to Williams that THREE themes from his previous score are being used in trailers for the next one. Can't think of any other films which did that. Did even LOTR trailers use multiple themes from previous films? Will have to go and check. ROTK and AUJ. (TTT used edited music) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, Josh500 said: It doesn't really sound like JW, sure. But that doesn't mean it's not JW. Point is, we don't know. This is a new director, so maybe he wanted a different sound or whatever. And anyway, why would they use "inferior" music adapted by someone else when the score has already been recorded!? Even with it being off, it doesn't sound exactly like Williams either. As for the "inferior music", I was more assuming it was just there for trailer purposes, and perhaps they didn't think would be fair to use Williams new music for the film in the trailer, and just decided to randomly place The Jedi Steps and Kylo Ren instead or something. It worked well in the trailer at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 It is so obviously by Williams. Though again, it is so obviously not necessarily by him. I'm part of those who strongly believe that it is at the very least by someone. Loert, Will, Pieter Boelen and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Maybe by William Johns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Jonz Will.i.am, you mean? Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Pharell ! Told you ! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Anyone who even faintly believes this music is Williams should be ashamed of him/herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 32 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: It is so obviously by Williams. Though again, it is so obviously not necessarily by him. I'm part of those who strongly believe that it is at the very least by someone. The music was composed by a droid actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Bunch of dead links here. Any audio only new ones would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Thank you, I missed that. And thanks a lot to Manakin. The trailer suggests that they're running with the Jedi Steps theme. Thank fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If it isn't Williams (and sure doesn't sound like him), it really isn't indicative of what will be in the film. I doubt he'll make a theme out of it. Just a single musical moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 What inference brought you to that conclusion? It isn't Williams btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 It's what Disney wishes Williams sounded like. fatehbaz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 More's the f***ing pity! JW would never want anyone to hear such soulless aural wallpaper. My advice: watch the trailer in silence, and let the images engulf you. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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