Holko 9,514 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Yeah, just shit the blurays onto shinier blurays, 90% of the fanbase would be dumb enough not to notice anything (or since the messed up DVD grade, technically practically everything) being different even if they saw the unaltered ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Holko said: just shit the blurays onto shinier blurays ugh! not falling for that! greenturnedblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Stefancos said: With the unaltered pre-SE effects shot cut back in using a laserdisc source? Isn't Kathleen Kennedy on record for never wanting to touch those? I wouldn't be surprised if they were contractually obligated to stick to the Special Editions. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Isn't Kathleen Kennedy on record for never wanting to touch those? Laserdisc masters would be completely unusable for upgrading to a 4K release. And I have no idea why KK would ever mention them. 19 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I wouldn't be surprised if they were contractually obligated to stick to the Special Editions. That would not surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Could they release the special editions on 4K, and the theatrical versions along with them as an "extra" in the same format? Like the GOUT back in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Laserdisc masters would be completely unusable for upgrading to a 4K release. What I mean is, she is on record - I believe - for never wanting to alter the Special Editions. EDIT: Found it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 again, it would not surprise me one bit if before selling Lucasfilm ect Lucas negotiated that Disney isnt allowed to alter any of the pre-existing films in any way. Nor restore the OT. And Disney, far more interested in making billions from making new films had no issues with that. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Yeah, it seems like a reasonable assumption to make, however unfortunate. Its "his" films, and it makes sense that would take measures to prevent anyone else from tempering with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chen G. said: measures to prevent anyone else from tempering with them Well if that part is true, at least we're spared from them becoming even worse... is it even possible to make them worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 . Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Don't laugh. I reckon they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I prefer the 4kxx-es. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 . Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 46 minutes ago, Fabulin said: just watch Harmy's I watch the Silver Screen edition. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I just watch the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I admire their purity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, dougie said: I admire their purity. They are Lucas' most unsullied visions of Star Wars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 And the only ones truly THX certified. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Vader uses the Force and there's a rumble. We've made you hear that rumble now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I find your lack of bass disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: They are Lucas' most unsullied visions of Star Wars! But haven’t those been heavily revised as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Numerous changes were made to the prequels when they hit Blu-ray, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I seem to recall that changes were made throughout all of the different releases of all the different films. I read that George Lucas was already in the act of tweaking the original Star Wars in the interim between the limited release and the wide release! So in theory, the original cut should be the one shown in the limited release. Good luck tracking that version down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 The later mono sound mix of STAR WARS is definitely superior to the initial one, and Empire only got its longer ending and final dialogue in the later release prints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 They changed the ending of ESB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 They added in extra shots of the Falcon under the Nebulon-B medical frigate and tracked score under it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I don't care about better or worst: I just think any film should be made available in the very first form in which it was released to the public. I'm not against tweaked or recut versions of films: but keep the original version of the film available. Its bonkers that George Lucas basically assasinated the original version of his own films (and of those of Marquand and Kirshner, to boot). John and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 What if the first release was a limited one because they hadn't had the time to completely finalize it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 The original version is a half completed movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What if the first release was a limited one because they hadn't had the time to completely finalize it yet? which may well be the actual case with the original Star Wars at the time. Still, you should release the earliest version made public, untouched, and a tweaked version. If you like the finalized, tweaked version better, than so be it. But at least the original version is there for you to watch if you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,514 Posted February 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2019 According to the Wookiepedia, for STAR WARS, a whole 3 shots were recomposited and finalised between the initial and wide release. We can live with having the later, better versions of those, it's the audio that's majorly different and I suppose we'd get a simple menu choice on a hypothetical release. Empire is more complicated because of the extra shots at the end - branching chapters solution for those? Just think: STAR WARS won 7 Oscars, and 4 of the production aspects it was awarded for have been shifted or totally changed in the home releases and rereleases - Sound, Film Editing, Visual Effects, Score. Those were all selected to be the best in its year and now they're completely legally unavailable in that form. Technically even Costume Design got affected when some cantina patrons got replaced. The Illustrious Jerry, _deleted_ and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Holko said: We can live with having the later, better versions of those Certainly we can. Heck, I can live with the Special Editions, for all I care. But to my mind there's a principle involved in keeping the earliest version of your film (as released) handy to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 It's the same movie with some cosmetic changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Star Wars (1977) is a completely different film than Star Wars: A New Hope. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 That's the thing, though, that it isn't. Not really. What, after all, was the point of the tweaked versions? To tie them more closesly to each other and to the prequel trilogy, and in so doing make them part of Anakin's story. Well, regardless of whether I like some individual changes (which I do), on the whole I have to mark those goals as unfulfilled by the Special Editions. I supposed they managed to the tie the various films closer together (the unified look of the emperor, the victory celebrations in locations from Episode I) but not nearly as close as I (or Lucas, I should think) would have liked. But, more importantly, they certainly weren't extensive enough to make those films anything but what they always were, which is the adventures of Luke Skywalker. That's why I treat the "Episode IV - A New Hope" title change (which most people accept) with disdain and disapproval. Because, above everything, George Lucas didn't tweak the film nearly enough to earn that title and the context it brings with it. It simply can never ever truly function as the forth film in a series, in which Anakin is Luke's father. Anyone with half a brain watching Star Wars, even after having watched Episodes I-III first, can tell that this notion simply did not exist throughout that film. Also, for what's meant to be one overarching narrative, its kind of haphazard, structurally. I actually charted it out (to scale) here: You can see that the main conflict starts way too late, and is much too close to the midpoint twist. I could have marked the lowest point almost immediately afterwards, as well, with the formation of the Empire; but I chose to give it a bit of slack and put it at the end of Empire Strikes Back, instead. Still doesn't work, especially not with the sequel trilogy (which is just tacked on, structurally). The Illustrious Jerry and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 What about the old VHS tapes? '95 boxset didn't have any of the changes the special edition release did, no? Not as far as I can recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Like we discussed, there were changes between the limited and wide release, between the different sound mixes, between the original theatrical run and the re-release (hence the "A New Hope" inclusion), all of which are present in VHS copies. They're hardly an unaltered version of the films. And its not necessarily a case of "least altered = least awful" either. For instance, the inserted Jabba scene in Star Wars is much worst in its earlier, DVD version, than it is in the Bluray. Jabba looked unfathomably horrible in that one; and of course, the idea that Greedo shot first was actually toned-down in later versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Well, regardless of whether I like some individual changes (which I do) Some of them are...okay. The original emperor hologram in ESB was really odd. And the poor fellow who originally did Boba Fett's voice! 10 minutes ago, Chen G. said: (the unified look of the emperor, the victory celebrations in locations from Episode I) The former, yes, is probably one of the most relatable. The latter I can see as being a tie-in much too forced. It features two-three planets not even covered in the original trilogy just as a point to remind us that we're still following the same storyline. There are probably better ways to do that, and the contrasting quality and complexion of the images is distracting. We go from the redwood forest of Endor shot in the 80s to a computer generated Coruscant. Anyways... _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 In terms of changes I like, one has to also mention the view through the windows in Cloud City. I believe Irvin Kirshner gave his blessing to that particular change, and very rightly so. I understand the original shot of the Jawa vehicle in Star Wars was much less impressive than the revised shot, as well. I do like that we see celebrations across the Galaxy in Return of the Jedi. Not necessarily as we see them in the Bluray ("weesa free!" - Ugh) but I like the concept in principle enough that I accept it. I'm sure I could think of others if I watch the film with a list of the changes in mind. But, on a whole the changes fail at their core goal to make a genuinely unified, six-part saga. The only way to do so would be to preserve the original six films, and than offer a radically re-edited cut of all six, for those who want to experience them as a continous tale (sorta like the linear trilogy cut of the Godfather series), and let each have his own. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 The concept is a great idea, no question. It's just hard to get it to work with not too many Imperially oppressed or occupied planets, let alone systems with bearable conditions to even support life (I.e. Hoth) covered in the original trilogy to provide a decent representation of the repercussions of the Empire's defeat across the galaxy. But to introduce any other planet from other trilogies from different time periods themselves is distracting and kind of choppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 To be able to pull back and see these grand visions of balconies and the city beyond was something you just couldn't do. It just was not possible up until a few years ago. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Rian Johnson Says He’s Still In Talks For More ‘Star Wars’ Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 He'll be saying that for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Still in talks? I thought it was already “done deal” that he was supposed to do a new trilogy, unrelated to the Skywalker saga. Right now I don’t believe it will ever get made and that we will get a “going our separate way” press release sometime after TROS is done with its theatrical run. Then it will be announced Kevin Feige’s film will move into that slot. toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 yeah, this isn’t going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 What's with the "oh my" in the thread title? I keep thinking it's spoken by Sulu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 Isn't that the same universe? If not, it will be soon. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/3/2019 at 4:21 PM, Mr. Manfrenjensenden said: Still in talks? I thought it was already “done deal” that he was supposed to do a new trilogy, unrelated to the Skywalker saga. Right now I don’t believe it will ever get made and that we will get a “going our separate way” press release sometime after TROS is done with its theatrical run. Then it will be announced Kevin Feige’s film will move into that slot. I could imagine with all these shifting schedules, cancelled films and so on, nothing is locked in until they're casting and scripts finalised etc. To be honest, the idea of a Rian Johnson trilogy, or whatever number they choose sounds more appealing to me than D&D's Star Wars films ever did - and I would love to the see the Old Republic material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Now imagine the possibilities: Feige's Spandex Star Wars starts with a proper reboot of 'Guardians of the Galaxy' where Groot meets Chewbacca. Ah, the beauty of modern franchises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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