#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I bet the booklet on Titanic will be fascinating. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I will most definitely be adding in my existing digital copy of the Celine Dion song at the end of disc 2 when I import to iTunes. It’s just part of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Must be a fortune to license though. I can't fault them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Oh me neither and it’s very readily and cheaply available if you don’t already own it to add to playlists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I struggle to listen to it. The key changes and the power chorus. Urgh. I Love the melody as used in the film though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Just takes me back. Aren’t there any questionable pop songs you like just be because it puts you right back in a specific time of your life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 It's a powerhouse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Just takes me back. Aren’t there any questionable pop songs you like just be because it puts you right back in a specific time of your life? If I heard Umbrella by Rihanna or I've got a feeling by Black Eyed Peas yeah but I wouldn't actively choose to listen to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bilbo said: If I heard Umbrella by Rihanna or I've got a feeling by Black Eyed Peas yeah but I wouldn't actively choose to listen to them. Great songs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 This is the first ever release of the entire score right? I always had the feeling that the score in the film and on the album were different, obviously very similar but not the exact same. I think Never An Absolution was placed first because it was a good summary and introduced two of the 3 main themes right at the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Wasn't there a previous 4-CD release? What was that all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasm[+]Donor. 75 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 This is something i ve been waiting since i was in my mom's belly. Thanks LLL for that i started to think you were gonna release it for the 200 th anniversary of the sinking. When is it out?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Just takes me back. Aren’t there any questionable pop songs you like just be because it puts you right back in a specific time of your life? It's not a questionable pop song. Actually, it's quite good as far as pop songs go. It was just way overexposed and got caught up in the Titanic backlash (and vice versa). Can't say I was ever a huge fan of the song, but it works great in the context of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Wasn't there a previous 4-CD release? What was that all about? Disc 1 was the OST Disc 2 was Back to Titanic Disc 3 was source music Disc 4 was popular music from the time of the sinking. It's shite. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Oh well that sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Yes it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasm[+]Donor. 75 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 so is the title out on thuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Wow. This looks great! I have been fond of James Horner's score to Titanic. I have always wanted to hear the entire score, and now it is released. Unfortunately, the price has turned me off, at least for now. I may wait a few weeks after next Tuesday. I already have my eyes set on two new soundtrack releases of two new scores by Maestro John Williams, as well as the 40th anniversary release of his score to Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NL197 368 Posted November 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2017 Statement from La-La Land on FSM: So glad you guys are excited by this release. To be honest with you, we didn't even think it was going to happen until we did Braveheart a few years back. We are deeply honored to have been able to bring this dream project to life with the full cooperation of Mr Horner's estate, agency, Fox, Paramount, Sony Music and Lightstorm (and we got it signed off on just as they started shooting the new Avatar films!). While it would have been nice to include the song, we were frankly told that IF we wanted to include it we may want to schedule the release for the 25th anniversary! lol You can bemoan all you want about the song, but the fact is that our goal was to present the original score as Mr Horner recorded for the film. The song would have been nice, but beyond complicated. We are film score fans. In the end, that's what matters the most. MV http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=123920&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=1&r=187# John, Jay, crocodile and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 This is terribly overpriced and James isn't alive to enjoy the money. I will probably skip this out of spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasm[+]Donor. 75 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Jeez I cummed. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I'm the last person to bemoan the absence of that stupid song, but can't help wondering, why is it so difficult to license 20 years after its release? And why did the score/source music work out all right? What's so special about this song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 hot diggety damn now this gets me excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: I'm the last person to bemoan the absence of that stupid song, but can't help wondering, why is it so difficult to license 20 years after its release? And why did the score/source music work out all right? What's so special about this song? Becuase it probably still makes Dion a fortune every year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 It was a decent song back then, but it's way too overwrought. I like my songs more acoustic these days. And yep, I'm sure it would've been outrageously expensive to license because it makes Dion a shitload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: I'm the last person to bemoan the absence of that stupid song, but can't help wondering, why is it so difficult to license 20 years after its release? And why did the score/source music work out all right? What's so special about this song? It's the second biggest selling song by a female artist of all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: It's the second biggest selling song by a female artist of all time? But why is selling relevant here? Home Alone contains well-known Christmas carols, I'm sure they didn't cost a fortune. Was that song never present on any compilation... ever? rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 But those are carols interpreted and orchestrated by JW right? (could be wrong...) Dion probably commands a way bigger fee for her voice to be heard on an album. Why are we even debating this anyway... it doesn't need to be on the set. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 There's really only one possibility...the licensing fee was too high. Especially given the limited number of copies this is going to sell, La-La Land probably (rightly) concluded that their audience would not be motived to buy the record by the song's presence, nor dissuaded by the lack thereof. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: It's the second biggest selling song by a female artist of all time? What's the biggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I will always love you by Whitney Houston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunnyML 82 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 hours ago, JohnnyD said: Unfortunately, the price has turned me off, at least for now. 50 bucks for 2 discs of orchestral score is actually quite cheap if you ask me. I'm sure there are a lot of people here who would pay much more than that. Me included. In fact, I have certain scores in my collection I paid close to 300 bucks each. 2 hours ago, Woj said: This is terribly overpriced and James isn't alive to enjoy the money. I am wondering what he would have felt about this release. We'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 78 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 52 minutes ago, El Jefe said: I will always love you by Whitney Houston? Potentially true, but it wasn't her song, it was written by Dolly Parton, who still holds the copyright to the work. Licensing that song would be much different than licensing some arrangements of public domain Christmas carols. The song from Titanic is still a big money maker and a hot commodity, so I'm certain the various fees would have been astounding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I woke up groggy this morning (forgetting all about the announcements) and was reading through the Die Another Day thread when someone mentioned "over in the TITANIC thread" and I was like Seriously great news to wake up to. I knew it was going to happen someday, just not this soon...if you can say twenty years on is 'soon'. It'll be very interesting to finally hear everything. I just re-read the following interview with Don Davis which is a great insight to the process: http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/07/17/interview-with-composer-don-davis-part-3-of-4 _______________ PLUME: On a side note to Horner, you worked with him on Titanic. There was a very famous rift between Horner and James Cameron after Aliens. Was any residual of that evident in what you observed between Horner and Cameron on Titanic? It was originally a falling out based on their differing views on the music for Aliens, wasn't it? DAVIS: No, I think it was a little more than that. It was music too, but Jim Cameron is a very tough guy to work for. Actually, I gained a lot of respect for Horner during Titanic, because Horner was accommodating Cameron in ways that I thought a composer the stature of Horner had no reason to accommodate anyone. He completely handled the situation with absolute humility and professionalism. I don't think there are very many composers who would have acquiesced to Jim Cameron the way Horner did. Horner gave Jim exactly what he wanted. I think there are some people who think that the Titanic score may be overly simplistic, or some people object to the Celtic nature of it, or whatever, but I can tell you that if any other composer had scored that picture, Jim would have fired him and at least four other composers before he got what he wanted. Horner was determined that that would not happen, and it didn't happen, and I think it was the best score that Jim would ever allow into that picture. For that reason, I think he deserves all the Academy Awards and accolades that he got. PLUME: I think that's a perspective that not very many people saw in that. DAVIS: Well, you kind-of had to be there to see it. I mean, it was magnificent. PLUME: It was surprising to a lot of people that Horner would even work with Cameron again after Aliens. DAVIS: I can't really say, because I wasn't there all that much. I would go to Horner's place, pick up the sketches, he'd talk me through them, I'd do them, and I was done. I do know that I made a lot of extra money on that show, because the picture kept changing and Cameron kept making changes, and as the sketches changed, they kept coming back to me to change the orchestration and I'd get more money. That was just fine as far as I was concerned. Through that process, I could see that he was accommodating this director. He was really bending over backwards to do everything that Jim wanted him to do. I couldn't picture a composer of the stature of John Williams doing that, well, maybe he would but there gets to be a point when it's too much. PLUME: Isn't it the job of the composer to conform to the director's view of the film? What line is there that demarcates when it's not worth the hassle? DAVIS: There are situations where directors give composers directives just to give them directives. Just to show "who's boss in this room." PLUME: Is it the film version of busy work? DAVIS: Sure. Go outside and dig a 20-foot hole and then fill it up again. Composers, whether they are or not, certainly like to view themselves as being creative and having a contribution to make to the process. There are some personalities, fortunately they are few, that seem to want to negate that. There's a point where it becomes too much of an insult to bear. If a composer is very highly successful, and James Horner certainly is, that means that he has to take less of that kind of abuse than a composer who is not of that stature. From my limited vantage point, it seemed like changes were coming in just for the sake of changes to come in, and I was wondering, as I was picking up these changed sketches, why Horner was going to such lengths to make this guy happy. Once the film came out, I understood perfectly. That's another tribute to James Horner, because he has not only an amazing visceral insight into what a film needs musically, but he knows how these situations work and he knows when to do something and when not to do something. You've got to hand it to the guy. ____________ I talked to Simon Franglen a few months ago about Horner's synth work and he said that Titanic was 'the score with no budget'. About 60% was synth only. They wanted to replace the synth choir (which Simon built from seven different synths) with the Harlem Boys Choir but there was no money to do so. Here's a news article about Horner's original soundtrack deal. Wonder how much Johnny gets per album? Titanic Composer Sails to BankNEW YORK (Variety) - Forget the two Oscars he won for the music to ``Titanic.'' James Horner is creating more of a buzz for a ``Titanic'' soundtrack deal that has the composer homing in on a record payday that may be more than $20 million. Insiders familiar with the deal say it breaks down this way: Horner got an upfront scoring fee of around $800,000. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. He also gets royalty points on the instrumental soundtrack and shares publishing and songwriting fees for the Celine Dion hit ``My Heart Will Go On.'' Sources say the fees mean Horner will earn $1.20 per album -- a rate typical for platinum-selling superstar artists. crocodile and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 35 minutes ago, airmanjerm said: Potentially true, but it wasn't her song, it was written by Dolly Parton, who still holds the copyright to the work. Dion has no songwriting credit on “My Heart Will Go On.” The lyrics were written by Will Jennings. Dion would get performance royalties of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 78 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Dion has no songwriting credit on “My Heart Will Go On.” The lyrics were written by Will Jennings. Dion would get performance royalties of course. For sure. Funny story regarding the Dolly song. At one point Elvis wanted to record it, but wanted her to sell him the rights to the song also. She refused and certainly made more money from the writing credit later when Whitney recorded it, so good move on her part. 😊 Nothing to do with Titanic, but since we're on the subject. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I’ve been to Dollywood, Parton’s theme park! Fun rollercoasters there. Greeneiris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 9 hours ago, MikeH said: I think there are some people who think that the Titanic score may be overly simplistic, or some people object to the Celtic nature of it, or whatever, but I can tell you that if any other composer had scored that picture, Jim would have fired him and at least four other composers before he got what he wanted. Horner was determined that that would not happen, and it didn't happen, and I think it was the best score that Jim would ever allow into that picture. For that reason, I think he deserves all the Academy Awards and accolades that he got. That's, in a nutshell, why this score is really more a representation of Cameron's lowbrow tastes - however in tune with the general public - than Horner's real musical talents. 'Perfect Storm', you now may please enter. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 The score is also insanely effective within the film and given a chance to shine in several major scenes. rpvee and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I wonder whether we're going to hear a lot of previously unheard material on this set. Not just "slightly" different, mind you, but proper alternates. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I’ll end up getting this, to me Titanic’s music was never as good as everyone claimed but still it’s an impressive set and I do love Rose’s theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I'm just curious how it will play out in full, given that we've never really heard Horner's intended version. Other than that, I have a this sort of love/hate relationship with the score. Some of it is amazing, some of it gets on my nerves. Karol Sir Hilary Bray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Its awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasm[+]Donor. 75 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 If Titanic is getting a release it means that everything can be done ! bollemanneke and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Still debating whether to order the Jurassic set with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: Still debating whether to order the Jurassic set with it... Do you know the meaning of the word "regret"? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Yes, but I went through Jurassic Park today again and can't make up my mind as to whether I want to spend the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Yes, but I went through Jurassic Park today again and can't make up my mind as to whether I want to spend the money. Money... since when "money" is a concern. Prostitute yourself man, we are talking about the expanded score of JP I & II. Mercy, be serious one minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Too rich for my blood I think. Maybe next year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I'm not doing that for JP I and II. Maybe for Harry Potter or Star Wars prequels or Hook, we'll see. And I live in Europe, the shipping fees are insane. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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