Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 This? Definitely highland bagpipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Yeah, it's a funeral scene and Scotty's playing it onscreen (it's kind of a source cue), so there's no room for any question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Well, the "outlawed tunes" in Braveheart are also diegetic, with highland pipes in view, and yet you hear Uileann ones... Nevertheless, they sound very different. A good analogy would be the difference between a duduk and rhaita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 15 minutes ago, Holko said: Yeah, it's a funeral scene and Scotty's playing it onscreen (it's kind of a source cue), so there's no room for any question. 11 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Well, the "outlawed tunes" in Braveheart are also diegetic, with highland pipes in view, and yet you hear Uileann ones... Exactly! What you see played on screen isnt always what you hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 You often see cowboys firing shotguns and it sounds like a cannon. I think it’s a fair question if someone hasn’t grown up hearing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 @NL197 Could you comment on two things? - Why do we have two Alexander's Ragtime Band cues? Why would they bother to re-record it for the third disc of the anniversary set and why is the non-film version on the LLL set? - Should An Ocean of Memories be in the main score program? On jameshornerfilmmusic, it's mentioned that it's a suite, but is this correct? Does that mean the film score should end with A Woman's Heart and then go to the song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 hours ago, bollemanneke said: @NL197 Could you comment on two things? - Why do we have two Alexander's Ragtime Band cues? Why would they bother to re-record it for the third disc of the anniversary set and why is the non-film version on the LLL set? - Should An Ocean of Memories be in the main score program? On jameshornerfilmmusic, it's mentioned that it's a suite, but is this correct? Does that mean the film score should end with A Woman's Heart and then go to the song? Alexander's Ragtime Band is a mystery, because the film version is on the Back To Titanic album, but the piano solo version - a version I'd never heard of until the LLL is...odd. We weren't given any reason or explanation about why it wasn't the film version. An Ocean of Memories was originally (like most of the score) meant for use in the film and was meant to end it - the edit that uses A Life So Changed, Rose and Unable to Stay, Unwilling to Leave is what replaced it, but yes it does belong in the main score program before the song / Post. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 I believe Ocean of Memories was intended for the aborted ending where Bill Paxton laughs maniacally. I remember playing it alongside the scene on the DVD and it seemed to match up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooch 0 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 15 hours ago, NL197 said: I love the film version of 'Leaving Port' even more than that...that was a real pleasant surprise considering most of it was never heard before. Is this referring to track 7 or track 8 on disk 3? Are any of tracks 9-16 "film versions"? (aside from the piano demo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Mooch said: Is this referring to track 7 or track 8 on disk 3? Are any of tracks 9-16 "film versions"? (aside from the piano demo) The film version I was referring to is track 8. One of the album's true highlight cues (I for one have always loved the synth choir 'Titanic Theme'. It's my favorite theme in the score) DISC 3 ADDITIONAL MUSIC AND ALTERNATES 1. Never an Absolution 3:06 - OST 2. Trailer 4:12 - Most of it unused 3. The Portrait [Album Version] 4:43 - Back To Titanic 4. Logo (Alternate Extended Version) 2:10 - Unused 5. 2 1/2 Miles Down (Alternate) 1:36 - Partly used in the film 6. Southampton (Alternate) 3:05 - Film Version 7. Leaving Port (with Alternate Ending) 3:00 - Like the OST track but with a slightly changed ending (fades out before woodwind and brass close) 8. Leaving Port (Alternate) 2:15 - Film Version (most of it unused) 9. Take Her to Sea, Mr. Murdoch (Alternate) 4:29 - Like the OST track but with changed ending (added brass fanfare) 10. Rose (Alternate) 2:58 - Film Version (different mix for the film) 11. Piano Theme—The Portrait 5:00 - Demo 12. Lovejoy Chases Jack (Alternate) 1:55 - unused 13. Hard to Starboard (Alternate) 6:50 - no synth 14. A Building Panic [Album Suite] 8:05 - Back To Titanic 15. Death of Titanic (Alternate) 8:29 - no synth (Film Version) 16. A Promise Kept (Alternate) 4:32 - Film Version 17. Hymn to the Sea 6:26 - OST DISC 3 TOTAL TIME 72:52 5 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said: I believe Ocean of Memories was intended for the aborted ending where Bill Paxton laughs maniacally. I remember playing it alongside the scene on the DVD and it seemed to match up. It does indeed play well over the sequence. Not entirely, and the laughing moment doesn't seem to have a corresponding moment in the music, but it's a close fit otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 should be noted that 'Promise Kept' still uses the opening of the disc 1 version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, MedigoScan said: should be noted that 'Promise Kept' still uses the opening of the disc 2 version Correct, and according to the cue sheet the title for the version on disc 3 is called "A PROMISE KEPT (2ND PART REVISED)" My custom arrangement of the score combines the first half (the OST version) with this revised version. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Could you give timings for "Butterfly Comb" and the hidden "Lovejoy Chases Jack & Rose"? Any other interesting cue sheet titles, that differ from the LLL tracklist, by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 The LLL track "The Promenade / Butterfly Comb" thankfully can be separated with a simple fade out / in between since they don't really overlap. Butterfly Comb starts at 1:31.5 seconds into the LLL track. I'm not sure what you mean by 'hidden' for the Lovejoy track, because that piece of music was pretty heavily edited in in the film and this is just the full recording of it (what was in the film was mostly tracked in from the score "Heaven Help Us". That tracked cue was re-titled "A Lucky Hand". The cue titles are similar but with added details like "2 1/2 Miles Down - Violin Tool Kit" for an insert that is actually not on the LLL. The bass line that opens the LLL 2 1/2 Miles Down alternate is called "Lo Pulse (sweetener)" The film versions of cues all have 'Revised" next to their names: Southampton (revised) Leaving Port (revised) Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch (revised) Rose (revised) and others like Hard to Starboard, Death of Titanic, etc. The Portrait demo is called "Original Piano Theme" "Rose's Suicide Attempt" is just called 'Rose's Suicide'. "Lovemaking" is two cues - "Lovemaking part 1" and part 2. The add-on to the end of "Hard To Starboard" on the LLL is called "Hard to Starboard - Extension". "A Building Panic" has its opening as a separate piece crossfaded into the LLL version, titled "Intro to Building Panic". The opening to "Trapped on "D" Deck" which was used repeatedly in the film is called "Drone and Chord (wild)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Thanks for this! 59 minutes ago, NL197 said: I'm not sure what you mean by 'hidden' for the Lovejoy track, because that piece of music was pretty heavily edited in in the film and this is just the full recording of it (what was in the film was mostly tracked in from the score "Heaven Help Us". That tracked cue was re-titled "A Lucky Hand". It was reported above that on the LLL disc 1 track there was a second, shorter and unused, version of the Lovejoy cue (two cues in one track, in other words). 1 hour ago, NL197 said: "Rose's Suicide Attempt" is just called 'Rose's Suicide'. Rose's Suicide or Rose's Attempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Quote The opening to "Trapped on "D" Deck" which was used repeatedly in the film is called "Drone and Chord (wild)" Yeah Cameron sure was fond of this short bit of music and 1:42-2:03 of Rose's Attempt (suicide?) which was repeated like 3 times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, MedigoScan said: 1:42-2:03 of Rose's Attempt (suicide?) which was repeated like 3 times That's the section I remembered from the film years ago, and obviously wasn't able to find it on the soundtrack. Until I heard Titanic Suite which at the time I didn't know was a re-recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 54 minutes ago, fommes said: Thanks for this! It was reported above that on the LLL disc 1 track there was a second, shorter and unused, version of the Lovejoy cue (two cues in one track, in other words). Rose's Suicide or Rose's Attempt? Rose's Suicide. No attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 hours ago, NL197 said: The opening to "Trapped on "D" Deck" which was used repeatedly in the film is called "Drone and Chord (wild)" Does this refer to the quiet opening at the beginning or the frantic piano action music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 The extra music for 2 1/2 Miles Down is presumably for the material Cameron cut after test audiences complained the movie was too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: Does this refer to the quiet opening at the beginning or the frantic piano action music? I presume the former Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, MedigoScan said: I presume the former Yes, the low strings (which play a two note bit that sounds like a precursor to Zimmer's "Batman Begins" two-note brass theme) and soft, rumbling piano before the more frantic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 7 hours ago, NL197 said: Yes, the low strings (which play a two note bit that sounds like a precursor to Zimmer's "Batman Begins" two-note brass theme) and soft, rumbling piano before the more frantic stuff. 9 hours ago, MedigoScan said: I presume the former Ah. I'm never in a quiet place when I have a chance to listen to that music so I don't REALLY know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Exactly the first 35 seconds or so of Trapped on 'D' Deck Though I am not sure if that part was also first intended for the deleted lovejoy fight scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooch 0 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I was reading the Back to Titanic interview on JAMES HORNER FILM MUSIC and I found this quote about the track "A Shore Never Reached" intriguing . Quote Jim spent a long time editing the film’s epilogue. As a result, I composed two cues for those scenes, and as it turned out, it’s a third cue that ended up in the film. The final cue was a montage of two cues I had composed for other scenes. The first one was An Ocean Of Memories, which was on the first album. The second is the one on Back To Titanic, I wanted to make sure it would not be lost. I just adapted it for the orchestra. He says he composed two versions of "An Ocean Of Memories", neither of which was used. Does that mean the second one ("A Shore Never Reached") was never recorded, since it isn't on the new set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Hey guys, I realize this thread is pretty much dead but I've been trying to figure something out. In the film version of the cue "2 1/2 miles Down" there is a section of music I can't locate. It plays as the submersible is entering one of the rooms and the camera moves over to a piano and we hear some piano notes, just before it transitions into the bass line is "2 1/2 Miles Down (Alternate)". Does anybody have any idea what that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 There are some inserts Horner recorded that are not on the new set. One is called "2 1/2 Miles Down - Violin Tool Kit", and the other is "Wild Piano". Both are heard during this sequence in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Why aren't they on the set?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The film version of Alexander's Ragtime Band is also missing from the set, annoyingly. This is one of the few source cues I specifically went looking for after watching the film, but there's only a piano version of the track on the set (despite not being used in the film?) Yeah, I know the film version is on the Back To Titanic album, but I don't have that album, so... meh. I guess LLL's methodology here was that the really diehard fans would probably have both previous releases (as BTT also has exclusive suites created for the film post-release) and it was better to include a different version of the track that was unreleased rather than re-release an existing version. Makes sense; just annoying if you don't have the existing album and it was one of the few source cues you actually wanted, due to its prominence in the film. I'm guessing the addition of the film version (about 2:30) would've tipped disc 4 over LLL's maximum disc length policy? Its final runtime is 76:27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You can pick up BTT for about €5 anyway. Worth it for the suites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 This was Neil's baby; You can't really question LLL as a whole about what is or isn't on here, it was all up to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 12 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Why aren't they on the set?! arent they like what 15 seconds a piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 They should be on it. There's other stuff missing such as "For Those in Peril on the Sea" and Rose's music box that prevents it from being complete and definitive. This is horse shit! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 They couldn't have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I'm listening to music from this set for the first time right now and I'm getting chills. It's obviously the greatest score for the greatest film ever. It's been 20 years and I can still feel the goosebumps. Horner left us his music and his ASMR interviews. And I knooow that the Horner will go oooooon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 2:53 PM, NL197 said: There are some inserts Horner recorded that are not on the new set. One is called "2 1/2 Miles Down - Violin Tool Kit", and the other is "Wild Piano". Both are heard during this sequence in the film. Any idea where I can find those outside of jointy95's video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 12/1/2017 at 9:00 PM, TGP said: One of the greatest Horner moments. I still remember that moment in the theater. Great militaristic sounding rendition of the love theme as they're fighting for their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 20 hours ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: Any idea where I can find those outside of jointy95's video? There was a leak of the 'film mix', taken from a template track used for the "Titanic Live" concerts. It wasn't 100% accurate to what's in the film in places, but it was so far the only source of the two cues as integrated into the larger edited sequence. All the fanmade videos and edits that'll be floating around will have used that as a source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 And it's a HORRIBLE listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, NL197 said: There was a leak of the 'film mix', taken from a template track used for the "Titanic Live" concerts. It wasn't 100% accurate to what's in the film in places, but it was so far the only source of the two cues as integrated into the larger edited sequence. All the fanmade videos and edits that'll be floating around will have used that as a source. Well the video I mentioned seems to have it about right, at least better than others that I have seen. Do you think it'll ever be released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: And it's a HORRIBLE listening experience. When watching the film it’s best to avoid focusing in on the score. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Are we talking about the brief moment where you see artifacts and there are strings and vocals? Was that created editorially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Now that we're talking missing music... In the live concert during the sinking sequence (don't ask me when, I really don't remember) the choir had a brief solo moment twice, they sang a D minor and A minor chord (sopranos only). It was beautiful, but I can't find it on this set, or on the leak. Is it even in the final film? Where is it, WHERE IS IT?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 We weren't sure of the capacity. These discs may buckle. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Rubbish! These discs were tested in West Germany with the capacity of 70 minutes. Now fill these discs, Mr Lightoller, for God's sake, man! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Please! I need more unreleased music, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Looks like it's time to start another petition. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 2:27 PM, Philippe Roaché said: Are we talking about the brief moment where you see artifacts and there are strings and vocals? Was that created editorially? @NL197? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 If you're referring to the shot of the porcelain doll face, shoe and glasses, that was created from two different bits of "Hymn To The Sea". The "Violin Tool Kit" cue I'm referring to was heard twice in the sequence, very faintly. The second usage of it was immediately followed by the "Wild Piano" cue, which was heard when the ROV passes that submerged, broken piano before heading into the room where Cal's safe was located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It's a bit alarming that was an edit. That's always been one of my favorite parts of the score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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