NL197 368 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Corellian2019 said: Perhaps it shows up on the isolated score Of course it does, but they don't want to bother with fixing the PAL speedup and it's too lossy to bother anyway. Besides, I'm kidding. Glory Hallelujah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 PAL speedup is not quite as bad as Independence Day: Resurgence or the Justice League score because it's still correctable. It's just a glitch. Temporary setback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 YOU CALL THIS A GLITCH!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, Corellian2019 said: Perhaps it shows up on the isolated score Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 The LLL versions of A Building Panic and Trapped on D Deck are so much better than the BTT track. I never liked sequencing that in with the OST. Same with The Portrait for that matter. This expanded version is a wonder, truly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I wonder if we'll ever get a JWFan/Matessino-like interview about this release with Bulk in which he explains the choices he made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I wonder if we'll ever get a JWFan/Matessino-like interview about this release with Bulk in which he explains the choices he made. I proposed to the editor of James Horner Film Music that we speak to them, and we were given their contact info, but I'm not sure if he did anything with it since because we've had our hands full with stuff. I'd absolutely love to get that sort of in-depth view of a Horner score album release. bollemanneke and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 And I would love to read it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I wrote up an interview request and the editor sent it to Neil Bulk, but it's for the both of them. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Don't you know? Aren't you God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 What does God need with a Starship? And what's the deal with homework? You're not working on your home! Ovaltine. Ever had this stuff? The mug is round, the jar is round, they should call it 'Roundtine'. You know what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Where exactly does Beacon fit into the whole score? I've listened to this cue but honestly can't tell where it's supposed to be. Is it somewhere in A Promise Kept (Alt)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: Where exactly does Beacon fit into the whole score? I've listened to this cue but honestly can't tell where it's supposed to be. Is it somewhere in A Promise Kept (Alt)? Yes exactly. It was edited into both versions of A Promise Kept as heard in the film. It's heard immediately before Sissel begins singing when Jack dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Since this is the big Horner thread at the moment, it appears that cellist Tina Guo (the Wonder Woman 'theme' from Batman v Superman) is performing "Theme From Cocoon" and "I See You" on a new James Horner album by Sony. You can find her performing excerpts on her Instagram and Facebook pages. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Thanks for patiently answering all these questions, NL, and I really like that you wrote Wonder Woman 'theme'. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Talking about one of my favorite things is always good. I'm out of the other game elsewhere (as JHFan), except for my own personal enjoyment. People really seemed to take to that Wonder Woman thing, but honestly, The Batman stuff in that film has more of a melody to it than that. Glad you noticed the ' ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 NL197 is the Thomas Andrews of the Titanic score. He knows every note in her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Aww, Don't mention him, my heart breaks during all his scenes. Rose should have dragged him along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I always got this weird sense he doesn't even notice Jack in that scene. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I don't think he does either. Why would he? Sure he was a nice person but he was a man of the times, and probably not going to give any regard to Jack anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Hello, Jack! *makes weird face, jots shit down on a pad" bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Yeah he gives Jack a "what the hell is he still doing here?" face. Easy to miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Next question. A lot of people seem to assume that the track Promenade/Butterfly Comb consists of two tracks that were combined in unchronological order, but is there actually any evidence for this? Why would this be the only unchronological decision made throughout the whole set? Isn't it more likely that Horner wrote this one cue for one scene that ended up being changed? Ive also read that you can hear the separation at 1:31, but to the best of my knowledge, the fade-out isn't complete, so they either cross-faded the cues or it's just one cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 It's confirmed if by nothing else than the 24 page PDF posted the other day, indicating "Promenade" is Scene 69 and Butterfly Comb is scene 99. And they are not un-chronological inside the track; Buttefly Comb needs to broken out and go after "Rose". "Promenade" is right where it belongs. And yes the changeover is at 1:31, confirmed via the film's music stem leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I split up the two cues for my custom arrangement of the album and the two cues are slightly different in the performance and mixing. Butterfly Comb is a little softer, more distant. I think they were crossfaded but it wasn't much of an overlap. Making them stand alone was easy enough though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 ... There's a music stem leak?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 It's been discussed in this thread for several pages now, yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I love how wet the Main Title sounds. It sounds more ethereal than I remember it in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Sorry if this is an age-old debate or has been solved long ago, but is The Sinking "just" a partly used alternate for the first half of Death of Titanic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 The age-old debate is whether the ship fully detached at the surface or further down toward the ocean floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 The most recent Cameron approved animation looked pretty good to me. Broke apart near the surface but half submerged, remaining attached by the thick hill. As the stern went under, it pulled the bow vertical before finally detaching and sinking a minute or so before the bow went under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 On a doco I saw last night, some expert reckons it fully detached further down due to the relatively narrow width of the debris field. It's a compelling argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Holko said: Sorry if this is an age-old debate or has been solved long ago, but is The Sinking "just" a partly used alternate for the first half of Death of Titanic? I think its just the original music intended for the scene before the 'death of the titanic' (before it got half replaced by tracked music) which ends around the time the water breaks through the glass ceiling and floods every room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: The most recent Cameron approved animation looked pretty good to me. Broke apart near the surface but half submerged, remaining attached by the thick hill. As the stern went under, it pulled the bow vertical before finally detaching and sinking a minute or so before the bow went under. "the thick hill"? Really?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Hull Richard. Hull. It’s not just a city in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 That 2012 speculative animation of the new breakup theory was perhaps even more horrifying than the way it was shown in the movie. The ass end wouldn't have gotten as high out of the water, but in the final moments, it would have gone very quickly, throwing everyone off and slipping under in a matter of seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Cameron revised it slightly (again) for the "20 Years Later" NatGeo special back in July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Bilbo said: Hull Richard. Hull. It’s not just a city in the UK. Who's Hull Richard? Never heard of him. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Richard said: Who's Hull Richard? Never heard of him. Cheap and cheerful version of Hal Leonard. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean1700 4 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 On 21/02/2018 at 8:51 PM, MedigoScan said: I think its just the original music intended for the scene before the 'death of the titanic' (before it got half replaced by tracked music) which ends around the time the water breaks through the glass ceiling and floods every room Having a film version of The Sinking would be too jarring and repetitive so I edited The Sinking and Death of Titanic using the OST tracks, and bridging them together with the small section from A Building Panic for where the Grand Stair case floods.. It makes for a whole better listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I am still weirded out not hearing the Trapped on D deck segment after the buildup from around 4:15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 The film stem leak, or whatever this is, is good for some of the missing music, but the rest is being deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I used that film mix stem leak whatchamacallit for the following: The pipe-less segment from "Unable To Stay, Unwilling To Leave", and I had to fix a flaw in the rhythm in one part of it (since the edits in the film are so haphazard at times) which is in my main program. The film mix of "Rose", since it was just mixing differences and no actual cuts, as part of the bonus material. A proper ending to the "Intro To Building Panic" since it was crossfaded on the LLL. A guideline / template to make "Southampton" a film mix, but not with the cuts to shorten segments of the music, but just to add in the elements missing from the as-written cue (piano opening from 'Promenade', chimes and slower strings from the trailer) in addition to my own take on the film edit of "Leaving Port" which I recreated using the 'Heaven Help Us' track. That's all bonus material stuff, not main program. That's all I used the film stem for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 You forgot the whoosh noise when the iceberg is seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 22 hours ago, Richard said: Who's Hull Richard? Never heard of him. Hull, who is he? Is he a passenger? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 So, NL, if you had to make a rough estimate, how closely would you say the film concert leak thingy matches the real film score? Like 95%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 99.9% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Probably a bit less that. The bits I'm aware of: - Opening - something's wrong/different about the voice solo near the start - pre-credits/finale cue - the transition into the Unwilling alternate is slightly different in the film - The cue tracked from another score/album during Jack's death. The differences make it feel to me like someone with the sessions recreated the film mix for the projection preparation, and didn't quite get some of the edits right. If the leak were taken from the actual stem, surely they'd only be fiddling with layers, not edits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Trapped on D Deck also has a synth overlay. I Won't Let Go is like a rough synth demo. No one wanted that iceberg sound effect, Jay. Not even me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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