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James Horner's TITANIC - NEW! 4CD Complete Edition from La-La Land

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33 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

So, NL, if you had to make a rough estimate, how closely would you say the film concert leak thingy matches the real film score? Like 95%?

16 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

Probably a bit less that. The bits I'm aware of:

 

- Opening - something's wrong/different about the voice solo near the start

- pre-credits/finale cue - the transition into the Unwilling alternate is slightly different in the film

- The cue tracked from another score/album during Jack's death.

 

The differences make it feel to me like someone with the sessions recreated the film mix for the projection preparation, and didn't quite get some of the edits right. If the leak were taken from the actual stem, surely they'd only be fiddling with layers, not edits?

 

Yes exactly, and that "2 1/2 Miles Down" film edit is full of differences, the 'Violin Tool kit' is heard twice in the actual film mix, not once like this concert stem thing. None of the source music is right - it's missing all the sweeteners to give it the ghostly, distant sounds. Some of the transitions are wrong. 

 

You nailed the other two: The film edit transition between "Rose" and "Unwilling to Stay..." uses the opening to "An Ocean of Memories", specifically the light chimes. 

The film used "The Beacon" by Michael Stearns, and it's not in this film stem thing either.

 

1 hour ago, Jay said:

You forgot the whoosh noise when the iceberg is seen

 

You're right :)

 

6 minutes ago, Philippe Roaché said:

Trapped on D Deck also has a synth overlay.

 

I Won't Let Go is like a rough synth demo.

 

No one wanted that iceberg sound effect, Jay. Not even me.

 

The film stem thing has the driving, thumping bass line from "Take Her To Sea, Mr Murdoch" in it, but you don't hear that in the film. It doesn't even work there anyway. 

 

The iceberg effect, if you're referring to that metallic sweep in the sound mix, I wanted it, and I got it and used it in my custom of the score. I think it's a cool transition for the entire film and score. 

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I don't mind differences in mixing like removing the Uilleann pipes from "Unable To stay..." or amping up the bass line in "Take Her To Sea" , some of those work and work well. It's the chopped up, cut up, tracked, looped, thrown into a blender and turned into confetti nonsense I don't care for when it comes to "film mixes". It's two different things really: Film MIXES versus Film EDITS. 

 

Film edits largely suck. 

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Just now, Bilbo said:

When people talk about the film stem leak are they talking about the document from a few pages back or an actual music leak?

 

Actual music. 

 

It was used as a sort of template for the "Titanic Live" concerts which is why it's different from the actual in-film music stem. 

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2 hours ago, NL197 said:

I don't mind differences in mixing like removing the Uilleann pipes from "Unable To stay..." or amping up the bass line in "Take Her To Sea" , some of those work and work well. It's the chopped up, cut up, tracked, looped, thrown into a blender and turned into confetti nonsense I don't care for when it comes to "film mixes". It's two different things really: Film MIXES versus Film EDITS. 

 

Film edits largely suck. 

 

Except for the edit of Hymn to the Sea in 2 1/2 Miles Down film version.

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I love how this release forces the hands of all the complete/chronological nuts. There's no "correct" way to listen to it. Thanks to all the revisions and tinkering, you'll never have a proper complete chronological Titanic by design. Guess we'll just have to make musical sense of this leviathan rather than reorder tracks to follow the movie's narrative.

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That's why I'm not interested in those film edits that certain people have obsessed over. I don't find listening to a butchered presentation appealing. Mine took the 'film version' cues - the bonus cues on disc 3 - and replaced the OST versions with them. Aside from that were minor things like audio adjustments and refinements. 

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8 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said:

I love how this release forces the hands of all the complete/chronological nuts. There's no "correct" way to listen to it. Thanks to all the revisions and tinkering, you'll never have a proper complete chronological Titanic by design. Guess we'll just have to make musical sense of this leviathan rather than reorder tracks to follow the movie's narrative.

 

Its as the composer intended. That’s enough for me.

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