Frank Vincent 234 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 27 minutes ago, Jay said: I honestly don't know what Lament or A Shore Never Reached are, so they are just grouped with the LSO suite for now. A Shore Never Reached is part of the suite. It's listed as performed by the London Symphony Orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 Yea, I figured that out and updated my spreadsheet and you got me before I edited my post I've gone and put Jack Dawson's Luck, Come Josephine In My Flying Machine (Maire Brennan). Lament. and Nearer My God To Thee (Eileen Ivers) (into a final "Inspired By" music section, seems to make the most sense. They have nothing to do with the film AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Thank you for this! Didn't even realise Jack Dawson's good luck was just an unused alternate... I currently have it as part of the LSO suite on my playlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Jack Dawson's Luck is not in the film at all. Lament is an Irish trad tune (or at least features) A Spailpín A Rún So you're correct in leaving them both off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: Thank you for this! Didn't even realise Jack Dawson's good luck was just an unused alternate... I don't think we have any kind of official confirmation its an unused alternate, Bilbo Skywalker just said he "may be wrong" and he thinks it "was supposed to" play over a certain scene. It could very well just be something they threw on the BTT CD despite it having no origins from the film itself whatsoever, like Lament. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Yes, on iTunes it says: Jack Dawson's Luck (Includes ''Humours Of Caledon'', ''The Red-Haired Lass'', ''The Boys On The Hilltop'' & ''… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Just now, Jay said: I don't think we have any kind of official confirmation its an unused alternate, Bilbo Skywalker just said he "may be wrong" and he thinks it "was supposed to" play over a certain scene. It could very well just be something they threw on the BTT CD despite it having no origins from the film itself whatsoever, like Lament. I haven't got the CD to hand to check but the more I think about the more I'm convinced it'a a piece written after the film especially for BTT. I think Horner just wanted to play around writing some straight up Irish trad music. This is what's in the film: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 Yea, agreed. It belongs on the bottom of the spreadsheet with the other non-film junk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Ah there's some beautiful Uilleann pipe playing in Lament! The music in the film really is chopped to pieces. I think even Attack of the Clones fared better! Right so this is not by Horner: And it plays over the scene shown in the thumbnail and you can hear it in this scene too: Jack Dawson's Luck has the same Uilleann/Bellows sound at the very start: and seems to be a version of this which is Lovejoy Chases Jack from disc 3 of the LaLaLand release. http://johndadlez.com/MP3/Titanic/3_12_LCJ_A.mp3 I wonder if this was what was originally meant to underscore this scene but Cameron went for the non Horner piece that is in the final film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Although going by the review from the Horner website of the LLL release it would appear that the track on Disc 1 is actually the piece from the film. So I think Jack Dawson's Luck is an expanded re-recording of an unused alternate which is based on an actual trad Irish tune. God that's complicated. I'll need the LLL release to be sure though! I'm sure none of this is of any interest to you Jay but... there you go. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 Haha, all information is good information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I guess at least it looks like Jack Dawson's Luck is at least based on something Horner intended for the score even if it didn't end up in there in the end. I think I need to see the film again to be a bit more familiar with the music in the film before I get my copy. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,999 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 While I like the suites on the second album this is my favourite one: I also like this one as well: Karol Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 There is certainly no need to throw away your copy of BTT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,999 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 No, these two tracks are probably even better than anything from the actual score. The second one actually features the best statement of the love theme. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Agreed! Oooooog "LaLa Land Employee3 has sent you a package" crocodile and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 32 minutes ago, Bilbo said: There is certainly no need to throw away your copy of BTT! There is. I do NOT want dialogue on my albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The WOTW album wouldn't be worth owning without Morgan Freeman's narration! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: The WOTW album wouldn't be worth owning without Morgan Freeman's narration! This alone is enough reason for LLL to expand this soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 7 hours ago, bollemanneke said: There is. I do NOT want dialogue on my albums. Just close your eyes and pretend you're watching the mov....... Damn. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 8 hours ago, Bilbo said: Agreed! Oooooog "LaLa Land Employee3 has sent you a package" In my 4 times ordering from LLL, I've never once received a shipping email. Do they not do them for international orders or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: In my 4 times ordering from LLL, I've never once received a shipping email. Do they not do them for international orders or something? It's a preferred customers thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I don't mind dialogue if it's narration (Hannibal), but I hate it when the lines are just stupid and taken out of context. It's absurd to hear Rose scream that she can't do this unless you know she's dancing. Who'd want to have that on their CD? For what purpose? Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I don't mind dialogue if it's narration (Hannibal), but I hate it when the lines are just stupid and taken out of context. It's absurd to hear Rose scream that she can't do this unless you know she's dancing. Who'd want to have that on their CD? For what purpose? Yeah listening to An Irish Party in Third Class is hilarious. All the “woo hoos “ “yeahs” and so on sound painfully obvious that they came from ADR when you hear them without seeing the picture” Leonard Nemoy’s narration ruins WoK though and I’m not buying the set which has the narration less track bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 3 hours ago, crumbs said: In my 4 times ordering from LLL, I've never once received a shipping email. Do they not do them for international orders or something? I have always gotten a shipping confirmation from them for my orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 So, Inky, when will you finally volunteer to do an in-depth analysis of this score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: So, Inky, when will you finally volunteer to do an in-depth analysis of this score? I started looking at some stuff last night. I don’t think it’s a particularly complex score as written. There’s not 55 million leitmotifs to try and keep track of but the music as heard in the film is a Frankenstein. It’s all over the place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 So it begins... Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 You tricked me into this! Someone else is welcome to do this. I haven’t seen the film in full in years so I need to rectify that. I also won’t be getting the LLL release until Xmas so it’s going to take me a lot of time. I’ll also need to read some of the analysis done on other scores here to get some pointers having never done this before. Inky is welcome to the job though 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Thanks for the spreadsheet, Jay. That'll help! Still no confirmation email received, though, even though PayPal has charged my bank account. Is anyone else experiencing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Bilbo said: You tricked me into this! Someone else is welcome to do this. I haven’t seen the film in full in years so I need to rectify that. I also won’t be getting the LLL release until Xmas so it’s going to take me a lot of time. I’ll also need to read some of the analysis done on other scores here to get some pointers having never done this before. Keep it simple: start with a general presentation of the film and then the score. Then present the various themes found in it, and finally write a track-by-track analysis, detailing the music found in each one and the footage it underscores (and if you feel like it, also mentions which part of each track went unused and what it was replaced with). Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, BloodBoal said: Keep it simple: start with a general presentation of the film and then the score. Then present the various themes found in it, and finally write a track-by-track analysis, detailing the music found in each one and the footage it underscores (and if you feel like it, also mentions which part of each track went unused and what it was replaced with). Good luck! I should get all of that done in time for the 25th anniversary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Nah. We're willing to give you a month, and that's it. Good luck! bollemanneke and Bilbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 hours ago, crumbs said: In my 4 times ordering from LLL, I've never once received a shipping email. Do they not do them for international orders or something? When you order, do you choose “order as guest?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 40 minutes ago, Mr. Breathmask said: Thanks for the spreadsheet, Jay. That'll help! Still no confirmation email received, though, even though PayPal has charged my bank account. Is anyone else experiencing this? Yes, still no e-mail either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: So, Inky, when will you finally volunteer to do an in-depth analysis of this score? When moon turns blue from the cold. Wait for that as a sign for me to even consider doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 39 minutes ago, mstrox said: When you order, do you choose “order as guest?” I always order as guest and get updates and shipping info. I placed mine late Tuesday and haven’t received any updated info or had my order updated on the web. But I imagine the volume of orders are responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, Incanus said: When moon turns blue from the cold. Wait for that as a sign for me to even consider doing it. Will do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, Incanus said: When moon turns blue from the cold. Wait for that as a sign for me to even consider doing it. So you’re just going to leave it to me? On my ownsome? I thought we were Latin buddies 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Bilbo said: So you’re just going to leave it to me? On my ownsome? I thought we were Latin buddies 😢 "Et tu, Brute?" Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Yes, still no e-mail either. I do remember the email for the Jurassic Park Collection being similarly elusive. I'll wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: "Et tu, Brute?" A Latin quote, from an English play, of a phrase that was supposedly delivered in Greek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Ahh, a spreadsheet! Thank you, Jay. And Bilbo, thanks for your thoughts as well. I think anything Horner wrote or arranged either for the film, or for the albums, is worthy of including in our edits (at least in the bonus tracks). It sounds like the music heard outside the score proper is going to be a whole experience all on its own. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I still have not gotten any shipping confirmation email and I ordered within a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 Speaking of that: I think that "The Portrait" on Back To Titanic, the piano solo performed by James Horner, is another example of something recorded after the fact, something he made just for BTT. It's not the original demo that Cameron ended up putting in the film (I'm guessing that's "Piano Theme—The Portrait" on disc 3 of the LLL). So I think its the only example of something that wasn't recorded at the time of the film, appearing on the LLL set...and I think it belongs at the bottom of the spreadsheet with the other non-film stuff. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, Jay said: Speaking of that: I think that "The Portrait" on Back To Titanic, the piano solo performed by James Horner, is another example of something recorded after the fact, something he made just for BTT. It's not the original demo that Cameron ended up putting in the film (I'm guessing that's "Piano Theme—The Portrait" on disc 3 of the LLL). So I think its the only example of something that wasn't recorded at the time of the film, appearing on the LLL set...and I think it belongs at the bottom of the spreadsheet with the other non-film stuff. What do you think? That's right, the piece on Back to Titanic was recorded for that album, not sure if the performance is by Horner though. The track on the LLL edition called Piano theme is Horner's original recording that he sent to Cameron and which was then used in the film (the first 2 minutes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 Right. But doesn't the album specifically say "piano solo by James Horner" on it somewhere? Maybe not. If not, who is the PERFORMER of "The Portrait", "Jack Dawson's Luck", and "Lament" on BTT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I just looked at the back of my BTT CD and it actually does say piano sol performed by James Horner. There's no info about who performs Jack Dawson's Luck or Lament though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 Well, I moved the BTT Portrait track to the bottom of hte spreadsheet in the "Inspired By" section for now. Maybe the booklet of the LLL release will shed light on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 These are excerpts from the review posted a few pages back. Would i I be right in saying there was the more synth demo which we’ve never heard before (image 2 below) The actual piano demo with performance by Horner that was used in the film Horner’s own performance re-recorded for BTT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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