The Next Matessino/Williams/Spielberg Expansion

[Amer 2,095]

7 hours ago, theMaestraX said:

JFK & The Towering Inferno - would be the holy grails next! 

Yes!

 

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Give us the hook!

[Brundlefly 2,385]

I want Amistad and War of the Worlds!

[Trent B 337]

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

Give us the hook!

 

This.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I can't imagine a new Hook shifting 5000 units though.

[Wojo 2,453]

Where's the choice for "none of the above/the OST is sufficient?" 

[Brundlefly 2,385]

1 hour ago, Stefancos said:

I can't imagine a new Hook shifting 5000 units though.

I can. At least 2000 of them would be bought by people who already own the old version.

[Pieter Boelen 740]

The Terminal for me.

But I've got to say, none of these truly require an expansion as far as I'm concerned.

There are so many non-Spielberg ones that would be far, far more interesting!

[Bayesian 1,359]

5 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

I can. At least 2000 of them would be bought by people who already own the old version.

 

Count me in for one of the 3,000 that remain. I would absolutely love to have a copy of an expanded Hook that was properly edited and compiled — and it would save me from toying with the idea of paying exorbitantly for the 2012 version on the used-CD market.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

2 minutes ago, Scintillating_CA said:

 

Count me in for one of the 3,000 that remain. I would absolutely love to have a copy of an expanded Hook that was properly edited and compiled — and it would save me from toying with the idea of paying exorbitantly for the 2012 version on the used-CD market.

Trust me. It is definitely just a matter of the missing reels, nothing else prevents this release to become reality.

[crumbs 14,306]

I don't see the point of a new version of Hook until better elements are secured. Sure, Matessino could fix all the set's other issues, but Ultimate War is the centerpiece of the score. Why go to all that trouble if we're still stuck with the film stems?

[Brundlefly 2,385]

1 minute ago, crumbs said:

I don't see the point of a new version of Hook until better elements are secured. Sure, Matessino could fix all the set's other issues, but Ultimate War is the centerpiece of the score. Why go to all that trouble if we're still stuck with the film stems?

As I said, just a matter of missing reels. - Or at least one reel.

[Bayesian 1,359]

Obvious question, surely, but do we have any idea what happened to the missing masters (or whatever those elements are)? Or, better yet, is there reasonable hope they’ll ever be found? If there isn’t, MM could just get going on what’s known to exist.

[crumbs 14,306]

Plenty of theories around. Personally I don't think the reels are "missing." Someone has them and isn't coming forward in case they lose their job or something. Sadly, without those tapes being archived properly they're going to start disintegrating (if they haven't already). So we could lose that music forever.

 

What surprises me is the lack of secondary copies of the masters. Matessino has provided great insight into his assemblies recently, discussing all the score sources available (stereo mix-downs, album masters, multi-track masters). It's strange that an entire reel of music would "vanish" without a trace and leave them with no source except the film stems (basically the last resort).

 

Did Hook do live mixes? Where are the multi-track masters? Stereo mix-downs? Did they not record anything digitally for Hook? Obviously only 8 minutes could be sourced from the original album master, but I find it hard to believe only one source existed for the entire scoring sessions.

[Orgasm[+]Donor. 75]

I think i would prefer memoirs of a geisha and seven years in tibet.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

John Williams-Steven Spielberg 

[Brundlefly 2,385]

1 hour ago, Orgasm[+]Donor. said:

I think i would prefer memoirs of a geisha and seven years in tibet.

There are a few scores where I cannot see, why they need an expansion. Why SYOT?

[Jurassic Shark 12,051]

I'd rather see JW score the much-anticipated sequel, Eight Years in Tibet.

[Balahkay 627]

How much music is unreleased from Memoirs of a Geisha?  I'm not familiar with the music as heard in the film.

[artguy360 1,843]

I thought Memoirs was fairly complete as is. If I recall there are some variations on the 2 main themes not on the OST but not much else. The OST is a great listening experience, a really strong album presentation and clearly a score JW loved doing.

[Jurassic Shark 12,051]

What about Always? Anything unreleased of any substance?

[publicist 4,643]

17 hours ago, crumbs said:

What surprises me is the lack of secondary copies of the masters. Matessino has provided great insight into his assemblies recently, discussing all the score sources available (stereo mix-downs, album masters, multi-track masters). It's strange that an entire reel of music would "vanish" without a trace and leave them with no source except the film stems (basically the last resort).

 

Since there is a pristine bootleg of all this material available (or at least the only real important missing battle cue-s) so someone had access to those session tapes.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

42 minutes ago, publicist said:

 

Since there is a pristine bootleg of all this material available (or at least the only real important missing battle cue-s) so someone had access to those session tapes.

 

If the tapes do not turn up, they should just take the bootleg as source!

 

1 hour ago, artguy360 said:

I thought Memoirs was fairly complete as is. If I recall there are some variations on the 2 main themes not on the OST but not much else. The OST is a great listening experience, a really strong album presentation and clearly a score JW loved doing.

 

48 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

What about Always? Anything unreleased of any substance?

 

Always

Schindler's List

Seven Years in Tibet

Saving Private Ryan

Angela's Ashes

Munich

Memoirs of a Geisha

Lincoln

 

These are all scores that would be a "nice" surprise, if completed, but nothing more. I'm not waiting for them. It was the same with Russia House.

[crumbs 14,306]

3 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

 

If the tapes do not turn up, they should just take the bootleg as source!

 

I believe they tried but Sony refused. And yes, the existence of that bootleg indicates someone knows exactly where the missing tapes are -- enough to scan them into a digital format.

[Corellian2019 386]

4 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

These are all scores that would be a "nice" surprise, if completed, but nothing more. I'm not waiting for them. It was the same with Russia House.

 

I'm waiting for Minority Report!

[Jurassic Shark 12,051]

8 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

I believe they tried but Sony refused. And yes, the existence of that bootleg indicates someone knows exactly where the missing tapes are -- enough to scan them into a digital format.

 

Strange that Sony refused them to use the bootleg. Sony is known to allow for the use of bootlegs for classical recordings and historic recordings when the master is damaged or missing.

[crumbs 14,306]

1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Strange that Sony refused them to use the bootleg. Sony is known to allow for the use of bootlegs for classical recordings and historic recordings when the master is damaged or missing.

 

I guess it was a different story if they couldn't even cite the origin of the bootleg or its source. Presumably whoever distributed it knows the location of the missing tapes but they're not coming clean.

 

Still find it odd there were no secondary masters for the score but maybe I'm overestimating the studio's archival process.

[pro-arte 22]

I wish a Raiders of the lost Ark in complete form 2 Cds with film edits and alternates if there is ...

[Brundlefly 2,385]

1. Amistad
2. War of the Worlds
3. The Kingdom of the Crystall Skull
4. The Temple of Doom
5. The Last Crusade
6. The Adventures of Tintin
7. Minority Report
8. War Horse
9. The Terminal
10. Catch Me If You Can
11. Raiders of the Lost Ark
12. Hook
13. Schindler's List
14. Munich
15. The BFG
16. Lincoln
17. Saving Private Ryan
18. The Post
19. Always

I think, based on the importance of the score, the quality of the most recent presentation, the length of the unreleased material, the potential and new facets of the unreleased material and the fans' amount of patience left, this is a rough order in which the SS/JW-catalogue should be completed.

 

To be honest, I don't care for 16.-19. personally.

 

Sugarland Express is another matter, so I excluded it.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,511]

I hate to ask, but...why is AMERICAN JOURNEY not included, on this list?

[Jurassic Shark 12,051]

Is that incomplete?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,511]

Good question! Ya see? Great for the man, lousy for the woman. She dies, she suffocates, and the man runs around complaining that he's fucking a dead person...and he's the one who killed her!

 

Oops, I mean...since it was never shown commercially, how do we know?

 

 

JS, what's  about my post?

[Jurassic Shark 12,051]

The strikeout? I thought American Journey was a bit different than that.

[Corellian2019 386]

9 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

I think, based on the importance of the score, the quality of the most recent presentation, the length of the unreleased material, the potential and new facets of the unreleased material and the fans' amount of patience left, this is a rough order in which the SS/JW-catalogue should be completed.

 

You forgot Munich 

[Brundlefly 2,385]

No, I did not 

[King Mark 3,630]

13 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

1. Amistad
2. War of the Worlds
3. The Kingdom of the Crystall Skull
4. The Temple of Doom
5. The Last Crusade
6. Minority Report
7. War Horse
8. The Terminal
9. Catch Me If You Can
10. Raiders of the Lost Ark
11. Hook
12. Schindler's List
13. Munich
14. The BFG
15. Lincoln
16. Saving Private Ryan
17. The Post
18. Always

I think, based on the importance of the score, the quality of the most recent presentation, the length of the unreleased material, the potential and new facets of the unreleased material and the fans' amount of patience left, this is a rough order in which the SS/JW-catalogue should be completed.

 

To be honest, I don't care for 14.-17. personally.

 where's Tintin...it should be at the top of the list

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

No it shouldn't.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

I think I counted 17 films and thought I was done, but it was actually 19 films.

 

Nevermind, in case you don't understand why a certain film is put at a certain place, just ask. - I know why I put it there.

 

I'd say within five years there will be at most twelve of these scores left to expand.

[Faleel 5,345]

6 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said:

No it shouldn't.

Heroic Tintin theme main title alternate.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

The Indiana Jones scores are more important.

[Faleel 5,345]

Only Last Crusade

[publicist 4,643]

Amistad, by and large, seems the most interesting. I fail to see the additional value of some slim, unimportant cues added to long, already flagging albums like 'Minority Report' or 'WOTW'. Though the sound of the former could make me reconsider. It's from the Shawn Murphy/AI hallway of canned, overamplified stinkers.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

WOTW has a bunch of really interesting cues left off the album. One of the highlights "Aliens" is not on the OST!

[publicist 4,643]

And a bunch of less interesting stuff on the album. Looking at you, 10-minute basket sequence. But still, these album were more than generous to begin with. 

[Brundlefly 2,385]

I love long, darkly amtospheric cues like the basket track, that's also why I would like to have more from Minority Report.

[Corellian2019 386]

1 hour ago, publicist said:

...these album were more than generous to begin with. 

 

Not generous enough! Apart from presenting the material from the sessions in lossless, a complete release of Minority Report would undo the devastating micro-edits in "Pre-Crime to the Rescue" and restore clean intros and endings

[publicist 4,643]

Forget about the music, we need a good Botnick recording of the stuff on the album.

[Corellian2019 386]

Am I the only one who felt that 1m6 Stopping The Crime was mixed far too low on the album?

[Brundlefly 2,385]

1 hour ago, Corellian2019 said:

Not generous enough! Apart from presenting the material from the sessions in lossless, a complete release of Minority Report would undo the devastating micro-edits in "Pre-Crime to the Rescue" and restore clean intros and endings

I also want a proper "Confrontation with Leo Crow" and "Psychic Truth and Finale".

[Corellian2019 386]

I think the Leo Crow track is complete