Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Anyone check the IMDB page lately? There's a lot of bizarre credits in the music department; not sure if they're fake or not. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Anyone check the IMDB page lately? There's a lot of bizarre credits in the music department; not sure if they're fake or not. LOL, I love this one Alan Silvestri ... composer agent Robert Meyer Burnett just tweeted that the score sounds pretty incredible. Not sure how to copy and paste a tweet, lol. Sorry, his handle is @BurnettRM if someone wants to copy it. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 There's a bunch of intriguing new credits on the Last Jedi's music department on IMDB: George Doering musician (guitar soloist on Spectre, Man of Steel, John Carter) Paul Kegg musician: cello (credit only) (cellist on A New Hope & Empire) Randy Kerber musician: celeste (keyboard on TFA) Joel McNeely orchestrator (composer of Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire) John Neufeld orchestrator (credit only) Conrad Pope orchestrator/music preparation (credit only) Jasper Randall vocal contractor (choir contractor La La Land, Beauty and the Beast) William Ross orchestrator (composer Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, TFA) Alan Silvestri composer agent Mark Edward Smith score vocalist (vocalist on La La Land, Avatar) Sally Stevens vocal contractor (choir contractor on TFA, WOTW, Amistad) Susie Stevens-Logan choir vocals (soloist on Rogue One, vocalist on La La Land) Todd Strange vocal choir (choir on Rogue One) Benjamin Wallfisch composer agent We can assume the random Ben Wallfisch / composer agent credit is related to a trailer composer, ditto Alan Silvestri!? Intrigued by the credits for Neufeld, Pope, McNeely and Ross. Was under the impression Williams orchestrated the entirety of TLJ himself, so does this indicate there's some reused music from the OT/prequels in TLJ? Also, a guitar soloist and two separate vocal/chorus contractors. Safe to assume that chorus plays a larger role in TLJ than TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, ocelot said: LOL, I love this one Alan Silvestri ... composer agent Robert Meyer Burnett just tweeted that the score sounds pretty incredible. Not sure how to copy and paste a tweet, lol. Sorry, his handle is @BurnettRM if someone wants to copy it. He's seen it already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 I don't remember starting a new thread but ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I think he might have just been talking about the trailer music playing over the premiere livestream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I don't know guys, some small voice in my head tells me that these are all fake names added by some hooligan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Cerebral Cortex and ocelot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 Somebody should ask Conrad Pope on Facebook since he was added to the list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Somebody should ask Conrad Pope on Facebook since he was added to the list as well. 'Credit only' denotes that they didn't directly work on the film but received a credit for other reasons, such as the use of their work from an existing film. That's the intriguing thing about Pope & Neufeld's credits as they were orchestrators on the OT/PT. This could indicate a cue they orchestrated from an earlier film has been reused in TLJ. Bit perplexed by the 'credit only' cellist from ANH/ESB though... Still, the guitar soloist and choir has me excited; two flavours I was hoping JW would intertwine into this score. Rey's Theme on guitar is perfection: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I don't trust IMDB credits. Anyone can edit in that Hans Zimmer was an orchestrator on the score... Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Somebody should ask Conrad Pope on Facebook since he was added to the list as well. Could the credits just be false credits. many people add things to IMDB, after a while they are taken down if they don't actually ring true. Williams did orchestrate everything himself and then send it to Joanne Kane like with TFA I thought. Even Conrad said that everytime he has take a job from Williams he's a glorified copyist. Williams hands him completely orchestrated notes, he's just spreading it out onto a full conductor page. (you should have heard what he said about other composers...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Interesting. So Williams isn't writing piano sketches basically that others then expand into orchestra songs? Will and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 3 hours ago, crumbs said: This could indicate a cue they orchestrated from an earlier film has been reused in TLJ. I highly, highly doubt that. In fact I'm going to say right now that's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 16 hours ago, ocelot said: (you should have heard what he said about other composers...) Yeah. About that... Pope can certainly say and think whatever he likes, but going by the same principle, I have to say that his tendency towards being disparaging and even disrespectful about colleagues is immensely off putting. It is not a good color at all, and strikes me as more than a little unprofessional. Whether this is in private or somewhere visible on the internet doesn't matter. I think that kind of frankly catty demeanor is reprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I agree. While I appreciate the amount of candid insight he offers into the process and the industry, I think a seasoned professional like Pope should know better about speaking ill of his colleagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Yeah. About that... Pope can certainly say and think whatever he likes, but going by the same principle, I have to say that his tendency towards being disparaging and even disrespectful about colleagues is immensely off putting. It is not a good color at all, and strikes me as more than a little unprofessional. Whether this is in private or somewhere visible on the internet doesn't matter. I think that kind of frankly catty demeanor is reprehensible. Actually he wasn't being disparaging, that's probably a mistake in my wording, apologies, it's more in the sense of what he and others have to do as an orchestrator when it's not and should never be under the orchestrator title and how they are treated by some of the composers. He also says he's extremely blessed to be working, especially nowadays. And what he loves about Williams is how he is respected and treated as a colleague and how he is kept on a schedule that works really well with no rushing needed. Hope that clarifies my post. 1 minute ago, KK said: I agree. While I appreciate the amount of candid insight he offers into the process and the industry, I think a seasoned professional like Pope should know better about speaking ill of his colleagues. Again, my wording made it seem like he was being nasty about composers, he was not, at least not to me, it was about what he has to do on many films with other composers that should not be under the orchestrator title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Not really a matter of the post being unclear. Whether or not it's what you were referring to, what I was criticizing is no phantasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 He's a humble guy, and a man with genuine convictions, but he has often been rather open about his grievances against some of the composers he's worked with, on Facebook and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 i could just imagine an unleashed Bernard Herrmann or Jerry Goldsmith on Twitter and Facebook. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 14 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I highly, highly doubt that. In fact I'm going to say right now that's not going to happen. You mean pre-existing SW music being used in a later film is highly unlikely? What about the Throne Room? Leia's Theme arrangement? Duel Of The Fates? And the ca. 48 times the Binary Sunset cue was re-used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Montgomery 0 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 19 hours ago, ocelot said: Thanks! Actually, He wasn't even at the Premiere. He watched the live stream and thought the music playing belonged to John Williams. I watched the entire livestream, however, and I can tell you that it was just some rearranged trailer music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Luke Montgomery said: Actually, He wasn't even at the Premiere. He watched the live stream and thought the music playing belonged to John Williams. I watched the entire livestream, however, and I can tell you that it was just some rearranged trailer music. Yeah Iw as wondering about that. Watched it too and he wasn't with the Collider crew, plus they were still going into the venue when he said it. I can't imagine though that he was commenting on the livestream.... That wasn't the score at all, it was synth drums and samples. Maybe he has an early copy of the score to review? Dunno... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 On 12/9/2017 at 7:53 PM, crumbs said: Bit perplexed by the 'credit only' cellist from ANH/ESB though... Sounds to me like they tracked some stuff from those films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 18 minutes ago, Muldoon said: Sounds to me like they tracked some stuff from those films. But no credit for Herb Spencer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 No idea. Maybe the info added to IMDB is legit, but incomplete. Or maybe some of it's legit and some's not. Or maybe it's all bullshit. We'll know soon, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The cellist credit is ridiculously specific for something fake. Not like TFA didn't set a precedent for reusing OT music but I feel like they only resorted to that due to time constraints and not having access to Williams after October. It was clearly a late decision as that was one of the last cues recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The release date of the soundtrack can't come soon enough as we are grasping at all and any peripherally linked news or info on the music now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It's becoming like cabin fever. Even worse I'll probably buy the soundtrack Friday morning then resist the temptation of listening until after I see the film Friday night (when it opens Thursday here... aghhhh!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 I'll be seeing the film on Thursday, but won't be able to get the album until Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Luckily it opens here on Wednesday 13th so I'll hear the music in the film at least but I have to wait for Friday like everyone else for the soundtrack album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Same for me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, crumbs said: The cellist credit is ridiculously specific for something fake. Not like TFA didn't set a precedent for reusing OT music but I feel like they only resorted to that due to time constraints and not having access to Williams after October. It was clearly a late decision as that was one of the last cues recorded. But... But things like that weren't meant to happen with Johnson! You told us so yourself! Johnson would surely be more respectful of Williams' music, and there wouldn't be tracked music or hacked up cues! Was that all a lie, crumbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Tracked-in music is as Star Wars as Han shooting first: at least half the films do it. It's a tradition at this point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 But... But Johnson! Johnson wouldn't do that! He's a more confident director, who knows what he's doing when it comes to editing and using the music! Or so I've been told by many people on this forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Those dastardly directors Richard Marquand, JJ Abrams, and George Lucas don't have a clue! Edit: But seriously I don't mind tracking in certain cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Wouldn't Empire and Phantom Menace be the only sequels in the whole series that didn't track in music from another film's score? It's basically tradition at this point. Even then, those two instead tracked music from their own score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, crumbs said: Wouldn't Empire and Phantom Menace be the only sequels in the whole series that didn't track in music from another film's score? It's basically tradition at this point. And even then, those two scores tracked music from their own score. Yep those are the only two I believe (and Rogue One of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Fuck Rogue One. If Williams didn't write it then it's not a Star Wars score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Rogue One is definitely far from the standard of the other 7 scores. Not in the same category. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Poor Gia, he made a wonderful job indeed, love his score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It's a very good score especially by today's standards. Just not on the same level as the other Star Wars scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The Rogue One score was alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: The Rogue One score was alright. No more, no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Guys, regarding the possible tracked music in the end credits, if that is where you guys are saying it is. There was a post a while ago, can't remember on what website, where it was said that Williams is doing a tribute to Carrie Fisher in the end credits. Maybe that's what it is being used for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I don't understand your post. There was a recent discussion of how TFA's end credits were changed from the theaters to the blu ray, but nobody said anything about TLJ's end credits that I'm aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 hours ago, crumbs said: Wouldn't Empire and Phantom Menace be the only sequels in the whole series that didn't track in music from another film's score? It's basically tradition at this point. Even then, those two instead tracked music from their own score. ROTJ tracked music from ESB. When Luke visits Yoda before his death and when Luke asks Leia about her mother (I think!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 He knows that, he said Empire and TPM tracked in music from their own scores, while all the other ones (including ROTJ) tracked in music from other scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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