The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - Score as heard in the movie thread - SPOILERS ALLOWED

[artguy360 1,843]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

Yea, there's a lot of music in the film, and you know what else I noticed?  It didn't really seem to be messed with at all.

 

I mean, there wasn't any parts that felt like it was edited around and mucked with.  There wasn't any parts that were tracked in from prior movies.

 

There wasn't any parts that sounded like the OST for a while, then went off on some other path due to Inserts or tracking or editing, etc.

 

It all sounded quite at home.  Johnson seems to have treated the entire score with a lot of respect.

I completely agree. Johnson really let's the music shine. And for the most part it really does and for the most part the highlights are on the OST. However, there was a lot of non-thematic noisy brass that didn't really work for me. And the mix being loud made that music pop quite a bit. Other than that, I love love love how closely the music is scored to the film. 

 

I suspected this would be the case just listening to the OST but JW really did score every twist and turn in each scene for emphasis, mood changes, etc. Those moments work brilliantly in the film and now I will appreciate the music on the OST even more. And, unsurprisingly, every moment that quotes a previous theme is spot on in the film. The use of Leia's Theme, Han and Leia, and especially Luke and Leia almost made me well up with emotion. JW knows exactly how to lead into and out of those old themes with great ease and effectiveness.

 

This score is something special and Johnson really does treat it with respect. 

[King Mark 3,631]

well, time to pray the FYC will cover some of the missing sequences

[Ollie 1,059]

They had the sound cranked so loud it was hard to hear some of the music, I couldn’t make out the Emperor’s theme.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Are you joking? That was loud and clear. The score got a great mix.

 

I saw it in Atmos, btw.

[King Mark 3,631]

weird, i thought the sound effects NEVER overpowered the music

[Jay 37,359]

6 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Parts did feel tracked though. Like the initial statement of the TFA themes in the opening of the film. 

 

Completely disagree.  Nothing felt tracked at all. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

They had the sound cranked so loud it was hard to hear some of the music, I couldn’t make out the Emperor’s theme.

 

That kind of stuff varies from theater to theater.  I could hear the Emperor's Theme very clearly in mine

[KK 3,307]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

 

Completely disagree.  Nothing felt tracked at all. 

 

The TFA variations were just not that varied. So I understand where Steef is coming from.

[artguy360 1,843]

Could someone help me out, if I want to listen to the Luke's island life stuff, which track(s) on the OST should I put on?

 

Also can anyone confirm that the End Credits is longer than on the OST and what music is missing from the OST version? 

[Jay 37,359]

17 minutes ago, KK said:

The TFA variations were just not that varied. So I understand where Steef is coming from.

 

Totally disagree.  He takes Rey's Theme and the Resistance March in a lot of new directions in TLJ!

I do agree he doesn't vary Kylo Ren's themes much from how they were before, though.

15 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

Could someone help me out, if I want to listen to the Luke's island life stuff, which track(s) on the OST should I put on?

 

It's only in Acht-To Island, Old Friends, and The Rebellion is Reborn - and the end credits (its the theme that comes in after the Leia piano bit)

 

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Also can anyone confirm that the End Credits is longer than on the OST and what music is missing from the OST version? 

 

It's been pointed out like 3 times on the last page...

[King Mark 3,631]

2 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

 

 

Also can anyone confirm that the End Credits is longer than on the OST and what music is missing from the OST version? 

 it's missing the second half of Rebellion is Reborn. They put that on track 7 on the OST

[Jay 37,359]

After both hearing the album and seeing the film, I'm surprised to see so many people raving about Rose's Theme, and so few people praising Luke's new theme!

 

On album, Rose's theme didn't do much for me, and in the film, it didn't either.

 

But Luke's new theme is awesome in the film!  Its long introductory statement as he goes about his "daily routine" while Rey follows him was great!

[King Mark 3,631]

well,it's awesome too

[Jay 37,359]

It's what I was humming after leaving the theater, I'm glad its prominently featured in the end credits

[artguy360 1,843]

Thanks. The Rebellion is Reborn is an even stranger track to me now. I don't understand superimposing Rose's Theme with Luke's Island Life music together. They aren't thematically related and I don't think they go that well together musically and they don't fit all that comfortably under the name "The Rebellion is Reborn." I'd rather the island life stuff got expanded into it's own concert arrangement.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Rose's Theme is a nice bit of Williams music, but it doesn't quite fit in the score. Like Mutt's theme.

[King Mark 3,631]

I think the full track of Rebellion is Reborn was intended for the End Credits but they cut it to place Leia's piano theme

2 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

Thanks. The Rebellion is Reborn is an even stranger track to me now. I don't understand superimposing Rose's Theme with Luke's Island Life music together. They aren't thematically related and I don't think they go that well together musically and they don't fit all that comfortably under the name "The Rebellion is Reborn." I'd rather the island life stuff got expanded into it's own concert arrangement.

 I agree,I'd like both themes seperate

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 minute ago, artguy360 said:

Thanks. The Rebellion is Reborn is an even stranger track to me now. I don't understand superimposing Rose's Theme with Luke's Island Life music together. They aren't thematically related and I don't think they go that well together musically and they don't fit all that comfortably under the name "The Rebellion is Reborn." I'd rather the island life stuff got expanded into it's own concert arrangement.

 

If this film was done in 1983 Williams would have made a separate concert track for each. Here he slams them together. It's rather cool actually.

 

Williams does a few unconventional things in this score. I like that.

[Jay 37,359]

3 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

Thanks. The Rebellion is Reborn is an even stranger track to me now. I don't understand superimposing Rose's Theme with Luke's Island Life music together. They aren't thematically related and I don't think they go that well together musically and they don't fit all that comfortably under the name "The Rebellion is Reborn." I'd rather the island life stuff got expanded into it's own concert arrangement.

 

Totally agreed!!!!!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Just now, Jay said:

 

Totally agreed!!!!!

 

I'm not sure either theme is strong enough to warrant a full concert arrangement. I rather like that Williams decided to play them off against each other. 

 

 

[KK 3,307]

Both, being the only major new themes, work musically well together. Other than that, I think one would be overthinking their pairing as a concert piece.

[Jay 37,359]

I think both are strong enough that the maestro could make a good concert arrangement out of each.

[King Mark 3,631]

well, he could have started Rose's Theme with quiet renditions like he started Marion's Theme ,Leia's Theme and Han Solo and the Princess. Right now it seems we only got the "ending"

[artguy360 1,843]

Also, having seen the film now, track 4 is absolutely brilliant music for that scene. Every moment, the first introduction of Leia' Theme, the Force theme leading to the super soft rendition of Leia's Theme, going into the full concert suite, ending softly with Rey's Theme, it is all brilliant music that accompanies one of the most out of left field moments in the film.

[Jay 37,359]

Haha that's the track I just finished listening to now too.  I like it a LOT more now that I know what it scores.

 

Even though Leia floating through space was dumb, the music is great!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

I think both are strong enough that the maestro could make a good concert arrangement out of each.

 

The Jedi Temple is a great piece that got a rather disapointing concert version.

 

 

[King Mark 3,631]

yeah that was so weird

[Jay 37,359]

Just now, Stefancos said:

The Jedi Temple is a great piece that got a rather disapointing concert version.

 

Its called The Jedi Steps, not The Jedi Temple.  And I think the concert arrangement is great!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Just now, Jay said:

Even though Leia floating through space was dumb, the music is great!

 

Such a silly scene. Strangely moving though.

Just now, Jay said:

 

Its called The Jedi Steps, not The Jedi Temple.  And I think the concert arrangement is great!

 

It's fine, not great. I vastly prefer the shorter version. 

 

 

[artguy360 1,843]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

Haha that's the track I just finished listening to now too.  I like it a LOT more now that I know what it scores.

 

Even though Leia floating through space was dumb, the music is great!

Exactly. Amazing scoring by JW for a stupid-ass scene.

[Jay 37,359]

The music made it moving!

[KK 3,307]

Williams really helped sell it.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

 

I think the main difference i'm picking up between the TFA score and this one is that TFA really needed its concert tracks. The underscore here is a lot stronger.

 

1 minute ago, Jay said:

The music made it moving!

 

That and the fact that Carrie Fisher is dead.

[King Mark 3,631]

that scene totally worked for me

 

it's weird because she's the only one of the original cast that survives the film. I was waiting for her to die at any moment

 

she was a lot better than in TFA too

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Just now, king mark said:

it's weird because she's the only one of the original cast that survives the film. I was waiting for her to die at any moment

 

Yes. I respect that they didn't reshoot the film to kill her off though.

 

Holdo's end would have actually been great for Leia knowing what we know now.

 

But I do think Carrie Fisher is better in this film than she was in TFA.

[Jay 37,359]

So the moment in the first OST track that I thought was a reference to Finn's Theme isn't at all; He's still in his coma the whole sequence, and the music bit in question is for BB8 fixing stuff in Poe's X-Wing.  Finn's Theme doesn't' return anywhere at all, that i heard

[King Mark 3,631]

finn was the most useless character in the film .he went on a totally pointless quest  that failed

[artguy360 1,843]

It's funny how the music leading into the end credits on the OST sounds very disjointed and all over the place, which initially led me to think that the music was edited in strange ways for the OST. Turns out that's exactly how the scene is scored because it's just a weird scene. Also I don't like any of the kids in this movie.

[Jay 37,359]

3 minutes ago, king mark said:

finn was the most useless character in the film .he went on a totally pointless quest  that failed

 

Yea, the entire rebellion storyline after the opening battle and before they get on Crait should have been rewritten.  Leia, Finn, and Poe should have gotten up to something else while Rey was with Luke, and we didn't need Rose, Holdo, or Del Toro at all.

 

 

2 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

It's funny how the music leading into the end credits on the OST sounds very disjointed and all over the place, which initially led me to think that the music was edited in strange ways for the OST. Turns out that's exactly how the scene is scored because it's just a weird scene. Also I don't like any of the kids in this movie.

 

I know, right?  The weirdest part of the track on the CD is the SUPER DARK OMINOUS CHORD for 5 seconds.  In the film it's just cause some guy comes into the room and wants the kds to go outside or something.  So weird.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Finn's and Rose's mission wasn't even a succes.

[artguy360 1,843]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

 

Yea, the entire rebellion storyline after the opening battle and before they get on Crait should have been rewritten.  Leia, Finn, and Poe should have gotten up to something else while Rey was with Luke, and we didn't need Rose, Holdo, or Del Toro at all.

I didn't like the whole "we're running out of fuel and stay out of range of their weapons" thing. It didn't feel like a Star Wars scenario at all and it brought good characters to a stand still.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

2 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

It's funny how the music leading into the end credits on the OST sounds very disjointed and all over the place, which initially led me to think that the music was edited in strange ways for the OST. 

 

Yes, it's very odd that Williams wrote the end credits this was. 

 

The whole score is pretty disjointed though. 

[Jay 37,359]

Just now, artguy360 said:

I didn't like the whole "we're running out of fuel and stay out of range of their weapons" thing. It didn't feel like a Star Wars scenario at all and it brought good characters to a stand still.

 

It was terrible and my #1 least favorite aspect of the entire film!

 

I also really didn't like seeing so many good guys die so often, or see Rey murdering people with her lightsaber

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's very Star Trek. The Resistance ships even have a Star Trek shield bubble.

[aviazn 273]

It’s funny, I always assumed one of JW’s priorities for TLJ would be to shore up the musical identity of then First Order, a la the Empire in ESB. But having seen the film, the First Order doesn’t really do much of anything to warrant a menacing, dominant presence the way the Imperial March does in ESB.

 

Luckily he already had a kickass march to provide coherence.

[artguy360 1,843]

1 minute ago, Stefancos said:

 

Yes, it's very odd that Williams wrote the end credits this was. 

 

The whole score is pretty disjointed though. 

I think I am coming around to the same view. The movie itself is very disjointed and the score seems to reflect that. The immediacy and lack of resolve I got from just listening to the OST is present throughout the film and score. Still, great score but not so great movie. 

 

Was it odd to anyone else that Rey's big highlight in the film is lifting a bunch of boulders? That moment is treated with great reverence (and I don't mean musically although it is and appropriately so)? 

[Jay 37,359]

I know, and they don't even show the boulders being moved!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I didn't mind that. We already had the whole training to master the Force with the OT. I don't really need it again. 

 

I hope they do a time jump of a few years and show a Rey who's mastered the Force.

[King Mark 3,631]

I liked the film more than TFA

 

 

[Jay 37,359]

2 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

I hope they do a time jump of a few years and show a Rey who's mastered the Force.

 

I would have to guess that's the plan.

 

 

Just now, king mark said:

I liked the film more than TFA

 

Oh its much better.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

 

I would have to guess that's the plan.

 

Ofcourse JJ might decide different.