Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2017 It gave that scene the pulpy weight of an old samurai film. I loved it. John, Damien F and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Taikomochi said: It gave that scene the pulpy weight of an old samurai film. I loved it. Totally! It was raining here pretty heavily a couple nights ago, and I found the theme springing in my head as I was walking through the deluge. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 It has quickly become my go-to track for taking out the trash. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yesterday I've seen the amazing but not perfect film and there are quite many thoughts in my head concerning the music, which was not the case after I had seen Episode 7. Give me one more day to find the right words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 3:44 PM, Sandor said: I cannot escape the feeling that Dear Basketball will end up being the most appealing music wrote in 2017... Ouch. You still believe that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: You still believe that? Yes, but that doesn't mean either The Last Jedi or The Post are disappointing or anything like that. I think his 2017 output -including his concert work- is outstanding and The Last Jedi clearly has the most complex and profound orchestrations, and is probably the music I will return to the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Another aspect that struck me positively is seeing how deft Williams is using his own thematic creations. I mean, he's still toying around and having fun with musical ideas written 40 years ago, mixing them with the ones written 2 years ago and others written now. And it all sounds very organic (save perhaps for a couple of shoe-horned Force theme quotations). There is a true mastery in using this whole musical lexicon he created. I think this is the main reason he wanted to continue writing for these films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 He was also probably uncomfortable with someone filling his shoes and doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Didn't Haab have that interesting anecdote about Williams having a two week sign off period for any Star Wars related music made by other composers, should he wish to exercise it? And that this has to be factored into their approval schedule? So presumably he's heard parts of Gia's Rogue One. The use of choir at the end reminded me a lot of how Gia used it in R1. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yes, Williams gives sign-offs on almost everything that uses his own themes for Star Wars. I guess it's a contractual thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, crumbs said: So presumably he's heard parts of Gia's Rogue One. The use of choir at the end reminded me a lot of how Gia used it in R1. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Well, that settles that. He did listen to Rogue One. I will say, the use of timpani in TLJ's score (which is vastly improved on its usage in TFA) almost felt like a bit of a schooling from JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Well, of course, he was not going to say it was bloody awful in his face! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Williams knows quality and clearly liked Giacchino's score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I wouldn't be surprised if Williams even recommended Gia for Jurassic World. There was some form of meeting between Trevorrow and Williams but we don't know what about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Well Giacchino has worked several times with Williams on adapting or using his work so they have a familiarity and clearly a friendship as Giacchino has described many meetings with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt S. 493 Posted December 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2017 My only regret about the OST is that the last track isn't called The Jedi Sweeps and Finale. John, Tiburon, DarthDementous and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Well, of course, he was not going to say it was bloody awful in his face! Yeah, could be like George Lucas' faint praise for the new SW movies. Then again, who knows. Maybe he legitimately loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 5 hours ago, crumbs said: Well, that settles that. He did listen to Rogue One. I will say, the use of timpani in TLJ's score (which is vastly improved on its usage in TFA) almost felt like a bit of a schooling from JW. The use of timpani in TLJ is rather similar to ROTJ, TPM etc. I doubt it had anything to do with Gia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Every time Gia follows up a master it just shows how 3rd rate he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Every time Gia follows up a master it just shows how 3rd rate he is. No, it shows how incredible Williams is. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: No, it shows how incredible Williams is. I didnt say Williams. I said Masters. I WAS actually referring Goldsmith and Horner. But yeah John's Juarassic Park is incredible and Jurassic World is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 46 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: John's Jurassic Park is incredible and Jurassic World is crap. Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Nah, Jurassic World is a fine score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Some people just like bashing Giacchino because he's great and scores everything. They want Williams to score everything instead. Tiburon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 JW scoring everything would be great tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 No, there's loads JW isn't really suited for anymore. He can still score the hell out of a Star Wars film though. Docteur Qui and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 7 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Some people just like bashing Giacchino because he's great and scores everything. They want Williams to score everything instead. No. I just think Gia is a poor choice. All his shit sound the same. He is so 3rd rate. Too bad Goldsmith t around to punk his ass cause you know he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 He would compose the hell out of it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 10 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Every time Gia follows up a master it just shows how 3rd rate he is. Anyone following Williams would look tame by comparison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Powell will show Giacchino how it's done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justanothercrow421 108 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 9 hours ago, JohnSolo said: Nah, Jurassic World is a fine score. A fine embarrassment. crumbs and JoeinAR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: Powell will show Giacchino how it's done! At the end of the day, Powell, Giacchino, Desplat etc. still have to follow the JW mould. There's no room for deviations from the classic Star Wars sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Justanothercrow421 said: A fine embarrassment. Hyperbole much? I assure you, it's a good score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 No its not. Its crappola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Hey, the Force theme sounds cool backwards too. aviazn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justanothercrow421 108 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 47 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: Hyperbole much? I assure you, it's a good score. I accept that you think so. I think its dribble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Stefancos said: No, there's loads JW isn't really suited for anymore. He can still score the hell out of a Star Wars film though. Listening to his output of the last 10 years circa, I'd say what he is still suited for and excels at are his own concert compositions, drama movies, Spielberg films, and generally lower key films where his incredibly matured and experienced sense for flow and drama can come to full fruition. He is not really suited anymore for writing a 120+ minute score full of action and a gazillion notes per page, including conducting, because that is very exhausting at his age, and that includes Star Wars films. And it shows that it's exhausting. The highest creativity gets lost in that exhausting process, and that also shows. I'm glad he can do another trilogy, but then he should really really stop. Demodex and Remco 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/18/2017 at 12:17 AM, Ludwig said: I would also point out that there is a subtle use of dissonance in these two statements of the theme, where the end of the first short idea (the theme's 6th and/or 7th notes) is supported by an accompaniment in which the 5th degree of the minor scale rises up to scale degree 6, which clashes with another 5 that's still sounding. It's a minute detail, but one I'm prone to hear and one that traditionally takes on connotations of the funereal, lamenting, or otherwise deep sadness. Among the most familiar of JW's sounds to my ears, going pretty far back but definitely more common in recent decades. Great commentary and blog. Ludwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Listening to his output of the last 10 years circa, I'd say what he is still suited for and excels at are his own concert compositions, drama movies, Spielberg films, and generally lower key films where his incredibly matured and experienced sense for flow and drama can come to full fruition. He is not really suited anymore for writing a 120+ minute score full of action and a gazillion notes per page, including conducting, because that is very exhausting at his age, and that includes Star Wars films. And it shows that it's exhausting. The highest creativity gets lost in that exhausting process, and that also shows. I'm glad he can do another trilogy, but then he should really really stop. Such foolishness. Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 12 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Some people just like bashing Giacchino because he's great and scores everything. They want Williams to score everything instead. Amazing. Every word of what you just said... is wrong. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, gkgyver said: Listening to his output of the last 10 years circa, I'd say what he is still suited for and excels at are his own concert compositions, drama movies, Spielberg films, and generally lower key films where his incredibly matured and experienced sense for flow and drama can come to full fruition. He is not really suited anymore for writing a 120+ minute score full of action and a gazillion notes per page, including conducting, because that is very exhausting at his age, and that includes Star Wars films. And it shows that it's exhausting. The highest creativity gets lost in that exhausting process, and that also shows. I'm glad he can do another trilogy, but then he should really really stop. Couldn't disagree more. I hear nothing but vitality, life and excitement in his new trilogy scores. I hear experimentation and thoughtful, intelligent writing. If anything I feel like these films have given him a renewed inspiration for his compositions. The connections between TFA and TLJ run very deep and I'm constantly finding them, and I think in years to come (perhaps after JW is gone) the true sophistication of what he is attempting with this new trilogy will come to fruition. Both of us may be projecting our own thoughts onto the music (as neither of us are aware of how Williams felt writing this score), but in my opinion it has never been a better time to be a John Williams fan. Remco, Gurkensalat and crumbs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 2 hours ago, gkgyver said: He is not really suited anymore for writing a 120+ minute score full of action and a gazillion notes per page, including conducting, because that is very exhausting at his age, and that includes Star Wars films. And it shows that it's exhausting. The highest creativity gets lost in that exhausting process, and that also shows. My goodness. Have some faith in him. Composing is his life. He's been doing this 6-7 days per week for decades now. It's not like a sport where your performance is pretty much based on age. Composing lasts pretty much a lifetime. TLJ was a solid outing and shows us he's still got it. crumbs and Remco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, gkgyver said: He is not really suited anymore for writing a 120+ minute score full of action and a gazillion notes per page, including conducting, because that is very exhausting at his age, and that includes Star Wars films. And it shows that it's exhausting. The highest creativity gets lost in that exhausting process, and that also shows. We clearly listened to a different score because The Last Jedi does not reflect this post at all. The score is even more energetic and orchestrationally dense than The Force Awakens, which he wrote two years ago. It's brimming with life in a way that other composers simply cannot match, because they just don't have the depth of understanding Williams has for the orchestra. This score feels right at home with almost anything he was writing in the early 2000s. Frankly I find your post borderline insulting and ageist, as if lecturing Williams that he's too old to be writing certain types of film scores. He can score whatever the hell he likes, his age is completely irrelevant if he still has the passion and love for writing these scores (and one need only listen to the score to realise he does). If he was so exhausted doing these movies then he wouldn't be doing them, simple as that! Docteur Qui and Remco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: Powell will show Giacchino how it's done! Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Looking forward to the inevitable Powell bashing once he scores the film like Powell, and not Williams, because Powell isn't Williams, just like Giacchino isn't Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I'm actually looking forward to it, I like Powell's work! toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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