Popular Post John 2,032 Posted March 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: Did we watch the same movie? And I'm not sure IX would be as light as you think it would. Why are you so condescending? It's pretty clear you're not much of a Star Wars fan, so it's fair to assume that some might react differently to the movie than you. You seem to have a hard time grasping the concept of subjectivity. I rewatched TLJ last night, and for me, it's definitely in my top 3 Star Wars movies in terms of emotional resonance. crumbs, Tiburon, Ricard and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Condescending? Hey, I like this movie just fine, but its just as much comedic as it is dramatic. The only moment that really works for me on an emotional level is Luke meeting up with Leia. But that's hardly enough to classify the film as a "gut punch." The Illustrious Jerry and Mattris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 This scene is much more romantic than I had remembered it in the cinema... https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-eBVMnrp8Gu0OArz9X4nNc5shSjUmhfM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Ha! I do think the one big missed opportunity on this score was a Rey/Kylo theme. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrauman 14 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Has anyone taken a crack at creating an ultimate Last Jedi soundtrack? So now we have three legit sources of music: 1. Score CD 2. FYC CD 3. Isolated Score In my perfect world, we'd have the score as originally conducted by Williams, without the edits. If edits have to be there, then i would make sure anything that was edited out of the score as heard in the film would at least be captured as an alternate or bonus track at the end. I'm not handy enough to do something like this myself, but wondered if anyone else has taken a shot at this. I know someone was working on a combination of the Score & FYC CD. Does the Isolated Score add anything new to that equation? (Sorry if i'm repeating questions - i'm a new poster but long-time lurker.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 Yes, many people all over the internet have cobbled together edits combining the OST with the FYC and Iso Score. There is a website that worships a famous Japanese RPG series that people have posted their fan edits to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 What Jay said. I finished my OST + FYC edit the day the isolated score was announced. I've since gone back and combined all 3 into a super-expansion, using the lossless sources as the core elements. Rather exhausting, to put it mildly. It's almost impossible to recreate exactly what Williams recorded because there's microedits all over the OST but you can't just "fill in the blanks" with the isolated score/FYC because they're filled with artificial loops/time-stretching/tracked bars and edits in different places. Several cues seem to be different on OST than in the film (We Need Your Help and Jailbreak spring to mind) but it's unclear whether they are true alternates or whether the film scenes were just cut down during post-production and we received different portions of one cue across the OST and film score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Rather exhausting, to put it mildly. What? Except for Escape, which alone took 2 hours over 2 days to beat into a listenable shape, it was a breezy 3 hours, tons of fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I'm pretty fastidious with the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Took me about 3-4 days just for my OST-FYC Hybrid. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 It depends how OCD you are, sorting through all 3 sources to work out which parts are microedits and which parts are looped material. The latter can be misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 I tend to rush when doing my edits, although I purposely try to take my time so as to not make any errors and have to redo anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 5:37 AM, crumbs said: Kylo's march into the Crait bunker was surely tracked with The Arena. 1 Interestingly Johnson actually mentioned in the commentary that that overhead shot of Kylo with his troops was a deliberate callback to Anakin marching on the temple in ROTS. So yeah I'm sure they temped it with that and it was a case where Williams found it appropriate to just follow suit. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 They should have just face swapped Anakin with Kylo and called it a day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted June 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 The film and score really should have ended with Peace and Purpose with the final shot being Leia and Rey sitting together on the Falcon. The music in Peace and Purpose deftly moves from one theme to the next with such grace and fluidity. Almost every theme receives a tender, gentle rendition. It's one of my favorite tracks of the sequel trilogy. It's a shame that finale is comparatively so choppy and unoriginal. Balahkay, _deleted_, Tiburon and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 5 hours ago, artguy360 said: The film and score really should have ended with Peace and Purpose with the final shot being Leia and Rey sitting together on the Falcon. The music in Peace and Purpose deftly moves from one theme to the next with such grace and fluidity. Almost every theme receives a tender, gentle rendition. It's one of my favorite tracks of the sequel trilogy. It's a shame that finale is comparatively so choppy and unoriginal. Agreed. A few people have created fan edits where the film not only ended with Leia and Rey on the Falcon but kept Luke alive as well. In any case, the broom boy ending felt tacked on and hasn't grown on me after a few more viewings. I do love the lullaby sounding music Williams wrote, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted June 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 I prefer the Broom Boy ending for the film. I just wish Williams had continued to build that interesting melody instead of defaulting to the force theme. I imagine if it had been allowed to play out and develop for 2 minutes instead of 40 seconds, it could have been another Jedi Steps. Smeltington, Not Mr. Big, Mitth'raw'nuorodo and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 10 hours ago, someonefun124 said: Agreed. A few people have created fan edits where the film not only ended with Leia and Rey on the Falcon but kept Luke alive as well. In any case, the broom boy ending felt tacked on and hasn't grown on me after a few more viewings. I do love the lullaby sounding music Williams wrote, though. Well, Rian Johnson decided to show of with his pacing issues once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Can anyone pinpoint what this musical moment (other than the obvious) might be drawn from? Is it just a fragmented/tortured deconstruction of Leia's Theme, or something else from the SW scores? It's been nagging me for a while now. It actually sounds like part of Sean's Theme from Minority Report, albeit clearly unintentionally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2018 The use of Rey's Theme in unexpected and interesting ways is quite fascinating in TLJ. I'm loving how it appears from 0:15 to about 0:50ish in the FYC version of The Last Jedi: And of course during Rey's Journey: Muad'Dib, Will, Hristo and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2018 As far as satisfying variations on a predecessor's themes, I feel comfortable ranking The Last Jedi as one of best of the best in Williams' career. I don't know if it's in part because this is one of the first, if not the first time, John Williams wrote for a sequel that's as episodically connected with the first film--it's practically a television show episode in that regard--...but holy hot mama, Williams squeezes so much juice and mileage out of his themes from The Force Awakens, it's incredible. crumbs, Mitth'raw'nuorodo, Gurkensalat and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finalscore 10 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I don't see where anyone has indicated the breakdown of the scenes included in the "COMPLETE SCORE". While it is great to hear the entire soundtrack, I try to picture in my mind the breakdown of some of the more lengthy cues. Don't know if anyone has endeavored to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I don't understand the question. What do you mean by a breakdown of long cues? In my edit of the complete isolated score there's really only 4 lengthy tracks. Main Title and Escape (11:51), A New Alliance (11:52), The Battle of Crait (7:15) and Finale (8:28). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 He means what is happening onscreen during each part of a cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Well the tracklist would depend on which edit of the complete score you listen to. I imagine many of TLJ's "complete score" edits assembled from the iso track just chopped up each cue between silences and retained microedits, ending up with several long cues that are joined in the film but have clean endings/openings available via other sources. When I assembled my edit I used all 3 sources (OST, FYC, Iso) to create the most accurate presentation of each cue, separating them where possible for more manageable track lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finalscore 10 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 As crumbs appears to be the "authority" on all the itterrations of the score to "THE LAST JEDI", I am referring to the ISOLATED SCORE. Demodex got the gist of my question. I wonder why a gif of a cat playing the piano is so "fascinating" to so many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 The cat is furiously typing on his computer (not piano) keyboard, representing our friend Crumbs, who posts often and with enthusiasm. And indeed the results are fascinating. crumbs and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 On September 24, 2018 at 5:12 PM, finalscore said: I wonder why a gif of a cat playing the piano is so "fascinating" to so many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, finalscore said: As crumbs appears to be the "authority" on all the itterrations of the score to "THE LAST JEDI", I am referring to the ISOLATED SCORE. I don't really consider myself an authority on the score. I just spent weeks assembling my own edit of the ISO/OST/FYC. I just used the giant isolated track to fill in the gaps where the OST/FYC came up short; I don't have a timestamp breakdown of the iso for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Wait. @crumbs did you share what you're edit looked like here? I'd like to seen what you've done. Do you have a complete version of Escape with the Main Title because I only can find the OST track, Escape from the FYC (not including a main title), and some other extended Escape edits without a main title as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I never posted a track list but I shared it with a few posters who helped me with the assembly or better quality rips of the iso. My first track is about 12 minutes long and contains both the Main Title and Escape sequence in full, although it was a headache assembling it! I'm still doubtful my assembly is the intended version, mainly because Williams seemingly wrote a couple of alternates for the sequence, maybe even music for the much longer original opening, of which we've only partially heard. The film seems to use a combination of cues and the OST contains alternate portions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, crumbs said: My first track is about 12 minutes long and contains both the Main Title and Escape sequence in full, although it was a headache assembling it! I would imagine! On another note, I love the score for Lesson Two. Han and Leia, those crushing strings as Luke looks at the burning temple. It's stellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 That cue is indeed stunning. Even more incredible when you consider the deleted scene that followed it, with its superb cresdenco of Rey's Theme in action mode. A true score highlight we desperately need in clean form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 What deleted scene follows it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 The cue originally continued into a sequence where "marauders" arrive at the Caretakers village and Luke misleads Rey into thinking they're going to attack their village. She races off to save them only to discover the islanders are having a massive party. Williams scored the whole sequence with a glorious presentation of Rey's Theme in heroic action mode, complete with unreleased source music for the Caretakers. The final film instead cuts off after Rey tells Luke she won't let him down like Ben did, inside the mountain-top temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Demodex said: What deleted scene follows it? Demodex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Well, got another copyright strike on my new channel... this time, it was for an unreleased piece of music (when Snoke and Rey meet for the first time). I'm assuming they're now targeting any material from the isolated score. Unfortunately I decided to take down my entire TLJ playlist, and delete every video that was in it. I've kept up Solo (and TFA and Rogue One) in the hopes that those won't get targeted, but I have no idea. I'm going to keep a close watch on my channel the next couple days, but I have a feeling they're just going to go balls out to have my second channel taken down. If that ends up being the case, then I'm just going to give up and find an alternative platform, as YouTube is now a giant shitfest. EDIT: Just as a precaution I also decided to remove all of the FYC cues from TFA and Rogue One. Now it's just sfx-filled music from here on out.😐 Mattris, Smaug The Iron and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I don't know about that. Kiner just feeds off of Williams general Star Wars sound a fair bit, and I think this is just, if anything, a similar idea or style. It's not screaming similar, but it has an essence to it, especially in the last two notes of that, bada daa-daa. I'm not very familiar with Kiner to begin with. I mean, I've seen Clone Wars and Rebels, but aside from a lot of the main stuff I wasn't paying a good deal of attention to the music. Besides, Kiner has a lot of writers working with him on those shows, so some of it may not neccesarily be him. On Williams part, the section you highlight there is very cool and not sounding too much like anything else we've heard from him, at least as far as I can think of. So really, I'm not hearing anything glaringly similar, but there's a sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Hey @Falstaft, I noticed this wasn't included in your reference guide for SW motifs so I'm curious to hear your thoughts on whether there's a relationship between these two Canto Bight ideas. I've always considered them to be related, musically. Yes, the second version is slightly extended but it sounds like the same motif to my ears? I can't transcribe music so I can't validate my theory any further. Both cues occur on CB though (upon arrival then again in a wide shot as Finn/Rose escape). I think the second version is microedited in the final cut. Will and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 hours ago, crumbs said: Hey @Falstaft, I noticed this wasn't included in your reference guide for SW motifs so I'm curious to hear your thoughts on whether there's a relationship between these two Canto Bight ideas. I've always considered them to be related, musically. Yes, the second version is slightly extended but it sounds like the same motif to my ears? I can't transcribe music so I can't validate my theory any further. Both cues occur on CB though (upon arrival then again in a wide shot as Finn/Rose escape). I think the second version is microedited in the final cut. Great catch, thanks! It's not quite literal enough to my ears to be a motivic repetition, but it does sure sound like he's going for the same musical effect, with these wide, angular intervals in the brass. And the fact that both start on G#/Ab makes the connection hard not to hear now that you've pointed out. Yet another great detail in the TLJ score! Fabulin, Remco, Will and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC4L 87 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 There seems to be various versions of this soundtrack "out there" but they all vary in tracks, titles and lengths. Does anyone know which is most film then composed/recorded version, the complete, the expanded or the extended? It's confusing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, FC4L said: There seems to be various versions of this soundtrack "out there" but they all vary in tracks, titles and lengths. Does anyone know which is most film then composed/recorded version, the complete, the expanded or the extended? It's confusing! There are only 3 official sources of the music: the soundtrack album, the FYC, and the isolated score. Everything else are fan edits using a combination of those three sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I'm not asking for a download link but rather more interested in what the fan community has done with this score: Is there a fan edit put there that presents the score in a better light than we got on the OST? I'm not looking for the complete score as I find it a bit difficult to listen to. At the same time, the OST leans heavily into the nostalgic, self-referential material and leaves off a lot of interesting material like many variations of the resistance material and cool underscore build up to Holdo's big moment, not to mention leaving off Holdo's big moment entirely. Is there a fan edit that works back in more of the highlights of the new music and interesting underscore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,391 Posted July 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 hours ago, artguy360 said: I'm not asking for a download link but rather more interested in what the fan community has done with this score: Is there a fan edit put there that presents the score in a better light than we got on the OST? I'm not looking for the complete score as I find it a bit difficult to listen to. At the same time, the OST leans heavily into the nostalgic, self-referential material and leaves off a lot of interesting material like many variations of the resistance material and cool underscore build up to Holdo's big moment, not to mention leaving off Holdo's big moment entirely. Is there a fan edit that works back in more of the highlights of the new music and interesting underscore? This is not exactly what you're asking as it contains everything but I recently made a complete edit using OST, FYC and the Isolated Score that I uploaded on YouTube: When possible, the loops, edits, trackings from the film and the microedits from the OST have been removed. This improves a lot the listening experience in my opinion, you should give it a listen artguy360, ragoz350 and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Chewy said: This is not exactly what you're asking as it contains everything but I recently made a complete edit using OST, FYC and the Isolated Score that I uploaded on YouTube: When possible, the loops, edits, trackings from the film and the microedits from the OST have been removed. This improves a lot the listening experience in my opinion, you should give it a listen Thank you! I will definitely give this a listen. Edit: I'm listening to it right now and I'm really enjoying it. You're right, it is a very smooth listening experience and presents the score in a really good light. Would such an edit be possible for TFA and TROS or are those scores way to hacked up, tracked, and micro-edited to ever create a smooth listening experience beyond the OSTs? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 TFA is probably possible but I don't think TROS has had enough leak to really make a great edit. Too much would be missing and from what I remember sitting through the movie, most of the really good stuff was hidden behind the super loud sound effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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