#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 It's like Fury Road all over again. Such a let down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 TLJ sounds as bad as Independence Day Resurgence. "Let's kick some serious First Order ass!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It's like Fury Road all over again. Isn't that considered a modern classic? Are you rating Last Jedi up there too then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 No, not at all. It's far too disjointed and too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 It didn't have to be that way! But nervous fickle filmmakers and external forces be damned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 It's a pity, the bones are there for a tight, more gripping film. Have you rewatched TESB yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Fan edits to make a shorter film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I don't really consider those with any validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Me neither, why would anyone? Will probably sit through TESB on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Anyone else felt like shouting GROND! GROND! GROND! when the First Order dragged out that big as canon? There's a bit of PJ in this film methinks. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I said to myself: "Spinning. That's a nice trick" when Kylo engaged the Rebel freighter. Karol Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 "Kylo Ren is Anakin done right!" - People Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 They should redo the Prequels with Adam Driver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 With Kyle Maglocklan as Qui-Gon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 And Kenneth Welsh as Palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 And Michael J. Anderson as R2! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 And David Duchovny as Padme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 And Sherilyn Fenn as Shmi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: - Rey and Luke seem to be spending quite a few days on Ahch-Too island, but the whole Rebel Fleet subplot seems to spread over just a few hours, yet they all end up on Crait on the same day. Theory of relativity, I suppose? TESB has the exact same issue. Ring theory! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: - Luke and how he deals with the Dark Side: "Papa Vader killed thousands of innocent, but there's still good in him: must do everything I can to bring him back to the Light Side! Baby Ben seems to possibly be drawn to the Dark Side? Must kill him right now!" There may be a problem of consistency there.. About 20 years of personal growth? We all become less hopeful as we age. 1 minute ago, BloodBoal said: Wrong! Han and Leia spent one day on the belly of the space worm, and four days on Bespin. Luke spends five days on Dabogah. It all fits! Luke trained up to be a Jedi in 5 days? OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: - Rey and Luke seem to be spending quite a few days on Ahch-Too island, but the whole Rebel Fleet subplot seems to spread over just a few hours, yet they all end up on Crait on the same day. Theory of relativity, I suppose? Rian's also a big Game of Thrones fan. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Have the Jedi religion revolved around the Light Lodge and the Dark Lodge. Have most of the plot take place on a planet called T'uin Pik Ze. And all the eligible, available women in town work at Dex's Diner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicPerson13 9 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: - Luke and how he deals with the Dark Side: "Papa Vader killed thousands of innocent, but there's still good in him: must do everything I can to bring him back to the Light Side! Baby Ben seems to possibly be drawn to the Dark Side? Must kill him right now!" There may be a problem of consistency there... I can see this raising questions with regard's to how Luke has developed as person but I don't see this is a flaw in the film. People aren't perfect. People are inconsistent. I don't think a filmmaker acknowledging just how messy people are is necessarily a flaw. There's a different between a "bad" character and a "badly-written" character. Jost1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 People seem to forget 30 years passed between these events and Jedi. A 60-year old is not going to react to everything the same way his 25-30 year old self would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicPerson13 9 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Holko said: People seem to forget 30 years passed between these events and Jedi. A 60-year old is not going to react to everything the same way his 25-30 year old self would. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, MusicPerson13 said: I can see this raising questions with regard's to how Luke has developed as person but I don't see this is a flaw in the film. People aren't perfect. People are inconsistent. I don't think a filmmaker acknowledging just how messy people are is necessarily a flaw. There's a different between a "bad" character and a "badly-written" character. 100% this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I like how the Force is portrayed in the film. Bit more interesting than Sith/Jedi dichotomy and I like how Luke talks about Jedi being vain and arrogant. But I have to say Williams overdid it with Force theme. It's becoming one of those lazy musical shortcuts. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 My guess is Johnson wanted it in there as much as possible, along with a bunch of other OT themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, crocodile said: I like how the Force is portrayed in the film. Bit more interesting than Sith/Jedi dichotomy and I like how Luke talks about Jedi being vain and arrogant. Yep. Wish it had been more developped though (it felt mostly like surface-level stuff). 3 minutes ago, crocodile said: But I have to say Williams overdid it with Force theme. It's becoming one of those lazy musical shortcuts. Yep. Maybe would have been a good thing to come up with a new theme there. History Of The Force or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 How old is Kylo Ren? Seems Luke wouldn't have been exiled on that island for a long time . Kylo looks the same but Luke is made to look much younger in the flashbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, king mark said: How old is Kylo Ren? It doesn't seem old enough that Luke exiled himself on the Jedi Island a long time ago but Kylo looks the same but Luke is made to look much younger in the flashbacks Stress makes one grow old fast. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 minute ago, BloodBoal said: Which Star Trek themes showed up. Can't say I noticed any. Ooops, fixed LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 So Luke 's only been on that island a few years then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Indeed. Embracing the concept of the Jedi as a flawed monastic order, and the idea of "Luke Skywalker" as a legend, are all good places to start to push the franchise forward. Would have been nice to see Johnson delve more into that. The thematic material in this film has a lot of potential. And yea, Williams' score uses a lot of past themes as a crutch, though I'm sure the filmmakers had some part in that decision. Would have been nice to have heard the Jedi Steps theme expanded more for the training scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Think AMOK time is quoted when Rey fights with Luke. Did anyone notice there is not a single lightsaber duel in the film? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, crocodile said: Did anyone notice there is not a single lightsaber duel in the film? Yes. Does that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 well there's one between Luke and Kylo ren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 No, Luke isnt even there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Stefancos said: Yes. Does that matter I need a refund. 1 minute ago, king mark said: well there's one between Luke and Kylo ren They never clash though. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 The film plays/flirts with all the classic SW features well enough. We saw enough lightsaber action to be satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Well, we got fights WITH lightsabers, just not used against other lightsabers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, KK said: The film plays/flirts with all the classic SW features well enough. We saw enough lightsaber action to be satisfied. Not the true fans! They are screaming BLOODY murder! MURDER! Johnson raped their childhood memories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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