Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I expect it to end with a reprise of the sunset music. He's been repackaging that piece since 2005. Tiburon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: I wouldn't be surprised if JW ends Episode IX with The Throne Room. In a stirring, harmonically rich coda that brings waves of closure and nostalgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 That was enough of nostalgia in the last two movies! I want a consequently new 9th episode! _deleted_ and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,944 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 If ever there was an episode that shouldn’t be entirely new, it’s the last one. You want it to be the culmination of all of the episodes that have come before it. But now with no Han, Leia or Luke (at least, not physically) it’s off to a rocky start. 1977 and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I would've preferred Luke had referred to the Emperor as "Palpatine" rather than Sidious. I felt that prequel reference was a little too on-the-nose. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I was surprised he didn't say "The Emperor" as everybody called him in the OT. Even moreso considering Darth Sidious just felt like a false identity, back in TPM when George was acting like maaaaaaybe they weren't the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 @publicist Did you order TLJ with Amazon.de? If yes, is it the original cover or the ugly German cover, found in several stores, which says "Die letzten Jedi"? I would really like to have the original english ambiguous cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,382 Posted March 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2018 The double LP is out! rpvee, Smeltington and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I was about to post that! It’s weird there was never even an announcement about it. It’s just kind of... there. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Anyone else seen that big Harry Potter LP boxset? Fuck who'd buy that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,382 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I'll buy that new Star Wars 8 release for my collection (got all the others including Rogue One) even though I almost never buy vinyls, especially in case of soundtracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Anyone else seen that big Harry Potter LP boxset? Fuck who'd buy that? Little off topic there haha, but isn’t it only 1-5 anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I need to pick up this one, and TFA. It's times like this that I wish they had some nice Struzan-type artwork on the cover. Speaking of which, I'd buy an LP release of HPSS in a heartbeat... if I didn't also have to buy HPGOF to get it >_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Could anyone tell me whether that terrific French horn motif at 3:35 in track 1 stands for something? Or is it just an extension of Resistance material? I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 It also appears in "The Battle of Crait". I'm leaning towards it being a new heroic/Resistance motif... or maybe even a new motif for Poe? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 On 4/8/2018 at 2:11 AM, John said: It also appears in "The Battle of Crait". I'm leaning towards it being a new heroic/Resistance motif... or maybe even a new motif for Poe? It's just a recurring motif JW used in action sequences, it doesn't really have any attachment. No characters are explicitly shown on-screen whenever it's heard, just big guns and spaceships. Chen G. and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Reflecting on this score a bit, it's quite novel how the big new concert piece is a mash up of two thematic ideas from the score. I think it's a first for SW and pretty rare for JW in general. On the other hand, it's pretty disappointing that TLJ didn't yield several big new themes with their own concert arrangements. ESB gave us the Imperial March, Yoda's Theme, and Han and the Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,944 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 It only has three new leitmotives overall, compared to twice as many in Empire Strikes Back, so its only natural. I actually like that the concert piece meshes the two themes together. Its like one concise presentation of the entire score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Compared to the bounty of new themes/motifs JW wrote for TFA, I have to think TLJ as a film just didn't present many opportunities for new musical ideas. Rose's Theme makes sense as a new character theme but it is kind of telling that the other major new theme, Luke's Island Life, only appears in the first 3rd of the film and never again until the end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,944 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, artguy360 said: it is kind of telling that the other major new theme, Luke's Island Life, only appears in the first 3rd of the film and never again until the end credits. Is it?! I gotta give the isolated score a listen. If its true, its a crying shame! The Rebel Desperation motif is also kind of setpiece oriented. I think there's a kind of embryonic form of it embedded into the earlier action material, but the definitive form of the leitmotif doesn't really materialize until the false third act, and than devolves back into the embryonic form for the actual third act. Even Rose's theme, while it is certainly well-fleshed out, doesn't define the entire film in the way that, say, Rey's theme defines The Force Awakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I find the concert piece rather chaotic for SW standards and Luke's theme gets too much airtime. A grand 4-minute Rose piece would have been great. rough cut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,305 Posted April 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2018 Newsflash, people. John Williams doesn't need to be writing variations on leitmotifs to be writing excellent Star Wars music. The Last Jedi is filled with cue after cue of superb non-thematic writing that's just as affecting as his thematic writing. The closest comparison is probably Revenge of the Sith, similarly filled with lots of memorable cues with no regard for existing leitmotif. Really thinking about it, all the scores since the prequels have followed this trend. Infiltrating the Supremacy, The Cave, Lesson Two, Third Connection, Don't Join, Fire Everything! and Crash Landing are all excellent original cues in their own right. Which isn't to say I wouldn't have loved a few more variations on Luke's criminally underused new theme, but that's cool. It supports the film it was written for, and that only allowed 3-4 variations before taking a very dark turn in the 2nd act. I find the dissonant Acht-To material, especially Rey's connections with Ren, equally listenable in their own way. Taikomochi, Smaug The Iron, Holko and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Yawn. I wouldnt call the TLJ score excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,305 Posted April 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2018 The score is relentlessly dark and tense from Rey's Journey right until the end of the credits -- a near-continuous musical stretch lasting over an hour, with nary a dull moment throughout. Vastly superior to his third act of TFA in my opinion (which constitutes The Bombing Run until the end of the credits I guess? Not much unreleased music I'm losing sleep over). Holko, The Illustrious Jerry, Chewy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I agree about JW writing great non-thematic material for ROTS, but not for TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,305 Posted April 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2018 Well, to each their own. Having now assembled the complete score, I'm finding it endlessly compelling. It also reiterated what's been falling on deaf ears for months: the OST assembly is a misleading representation of the film's score, especially with regard to existing music/themes. You could comfortably assemble an alternative 80 minute OST program of TLJ's score with barely any existing themes if you wanted (barring the Force Theme). Listening in complete form, the older themes are barely noticeable. The entire score transforms into a huge tapestry that blends together seamlessly. John, Balahkay and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 It's really great. Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,944 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Newsflash, people. John Williams doesn't need to be writing variations on leitmotifs to be writing excellent Star Wars music. The Last Jedi is filled with cue after cue of superb non-thematic writing that's just as affecting as his thematic writing. The closest comparison is probably Revenge of the Sith, similarly filled with lots of memorable cues with no regard for existing leitmotif. I do find enjoyment in the structure of Williams Star Wars scores, and I do think of them as leitmotivic pieces. But than, I'm a strong believer in leitmotivic scores in general. As you say, to each his own. I don't think the comparison to Revenge of the Sith is apt. That score had plenty of leitmotives, and they were spread throughout quite nicely. While Battle of the Heroes appears late in the game, to my mind the theme that defines the score is the lament for Anakin. Yes, it doesn't materialize until the midpoint, but its constructed such that it grows out of the B-phrase of "Across the Stars", which is quoted a couple of times in the first half, so it carries the associative power of that theme with it, and is - to my mind - one of the most moving themes Williams has ever written for the series. Also, the grievous material is very dominant in the first half of the score and is, I believe, infrequently applied to Anakin in the later half. There are also recurring brass fanfares for Mustafar, if I recall correctly, and two pieces of music that return after a single statement in The Phantom Menace: The Curoscant fanfare, and the Funeral theme. They're only themes once they are restated, and that's what happens here. While the latter is also late to appear in the picture, it is forshadowed quite early down the line: Anakin's Betrayal has a snippet of it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Has anyone commented on the version of the Rey’s Theme bell chords at the very end of TLJ’s Finale? It sounds like a different key or a new harmony or something compared to TFA, but I lack the musical erudition to assign any significance to it. Is it just a neat variation, or does this connect to anything else in the score? Tiburon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,944 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 It’s just the introduction figure to her theme proper. It occurs two or more times in the score, I believe: once before she starts training with her lightsaber, the other as the Falcon flies across the Crait landscape. It has no narrative meaning on its own. It’s part of the unabridged theme, and can be used on its own as a shorthand for the entire piece. Has Williams ever even indicated that he wrote more than one theme for Rey? It just isn't how he works, typically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 11 hours ago, igger6 said: Has anyone commented on the version of the Rey’s Theme bell chords at the very end of TLJ’s Finale? It sounds like a different key or a new harmony or something compared to TFA, but I lack the musical erudition to assign any significance to it. Is it just a neat variation, or does this connect to anything else in the score? Like Chen G. said, it's just a part of her theme. But you're exactly right that the harmony is different in this statement, which lends it that slightly more hopeful sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Exactly! It does sound more hopeful. I didn't notice the difference until last night. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 To me it sounds intentionally unresolved, like that rendition of Rey's theme is leaning forward a bit, telling us that her story is still unfinished. That's how it sounds to me anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,944 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Sure, because you hear the introduction figure, but not the theme that's supposed to introduce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,342 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Well, and the Harp phrase doesn't really resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Was listening to The Lost World and I couldn’t help noticing similarities between the theme at around 2.28 and 3.05 in Visitor in San Diego and the new brass fanfare theme for The Resistance. Actually there are many parts of cue that remind me of the opening escape cue from TLJ and a lot of the other action material with regards to the orchestrations and lines of writing (2.42-2.50, 3.31-4.04, 4.22-4.38, 5.30-5.55) I’m so glad JW returned to this writing style for TLJ. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I broke my streak of not really listening to soundtracks to listen to this OST this morning. Anyone else prefer the album edit of “The Last Jedi” to the iso score rip I know we all have? I don’t mean the badass Rey’s theme when the Falcon is searching but in terms of what happens after where the OST track starts. Cutting back to the Leia and the gang finding a way out music kills the drama for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 We have too many choices for the last two Star Wars, personnaly, I don't listen them too much, I never know which version to listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bespin said: We have too many choices for the last two Star Wars, personnaly, I don't listen them too much, I never know which version to listen. Just listen to the OST. That’s still my main way to revisit this score. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Just listen to the OST. That’s still my main way to revisit this score. We have to stick to the @Thor way, I know. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I listen to highlights from the iso score every now and then, but my POV is that I have years and years (I don’t plan on dying soon!) to live with this score and there’s no rush. Stick with Johnny’s presentation, the movie’s not even a year old. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,305 Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 I think the best listening experience of TLJ's score is the OST + about 25 minutes of highlights from the isolated score. Some of the lesser suspense cues (like Poe and Lady Officer Conspire, Codebreaker... Thief, Encounter Before The Dream, What Cha Got, Don't Join, etc.) are non-essential but unreleased or expanded cues like Escape (Complete), Lightsaber Training, Lesson Two, Rey's Journey, Holdo's Resolve and the complete version of The Last Jedi are invaluable to the overall experience of the score IMO. Will, Cerebral Cortex and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 So you don’t prefer the album edit of “The Las Jedi.” Anyone agree with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I don't mind a lot of JW's OST edits for TLJ. There's actually a shitload of microedits in almost every track (which you only start noticing once editing the OST with the iso) but once you get used to some of the expanded tracks it's very hard to go back (The Last Jedi being a great example, because of that gorgeous rendition of Rey's Theme). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: The Last Jedi being a great example, because of that gorgeous rendition of Rey's Theme). Yeah I know that technically counts. I did specifically say in terms of what comes after the OST track starts I haven’t actually listened to the iso track in months.... hope I’m not misremembering.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: So you don’t prefer the album edit of “The Las Jedi.” Anyone agree with me? In general, Williams' surgeries for these last two albums have been absolutely ace. If there's the album vs complete score version of the same track, I choose the OST counterpart every time. 5 hours ago, crumbs said: I think the best listening experience of TLJ's score is the OST + about 25 minutes of highlights from the isolated score. Sounds like a winning recipe to me! I'm hoping that when these scores get released complete someday, they'll have a more album style presentation rather than an assembly line of complete cues, 'cause damn this score has a lot of mood killers that Williams expertly snipped out for the OST. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,741 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: In general, Williams' surgeries for these last two albums have been absolutely ace. If there's the album vs complete score version of the same track, I choose the OST counterpart every time. I agree much of the time. There are some cues that can only be fully reconstructed if you have both the OST and the FYC that I like best in complete form however. "I Can Fly Anything" being a prime example. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Otherwise agreed with Nick, but I recall finding the edit on "The Ways of the Force" to be unfortunate. I don't remember what it was though, something like Rey's theme being replaced with the force theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 On 10/7/2018 at 9:06 AM, Bespin said: We have too many choices for the last two Star Wars, personnaly, I don't listen them too much, I never know which version to listen. I can hardly pick a score to listen to let alone what version. I have an OST, FYC, Chrono Edit. I wish Disney would release some CR's just for my listening ease. My biggest problem is the Main Titles. I cannot for the life of me find the opening track I want- one with the Main Title and complete Escape film version. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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