Jump to content

THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album


Jay

Recommended Posts

Isn't a definitive version of Escape an illusive idea? There is no definitive version.

 

Williams clearly scored a different cut of the scene. That's the intended music of Williams. The sequence was then changed multiple times (action scenes always are) and the scene might have been rescored. And then it got shredded to bits eitherways because of the editing style today.

 

So that scene as exists today was probably never scored by Williams. So there is no definitive version. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Jay said:

I dunno, sounds like the same theme to me, like with a different ending kinda - but I certainly could be wrong

 

Here's the theme in "Escape":

Escape 6.15.png

 

...And here's the theme in "Finale" (OST):

Finale 5.47.png

 

Am I missing something here, anyone? They don't appear to be the same theme.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, Justanothercrow421 said:

Would a film edit of the Finale be in the cards sometime soon?

 

Wait, what?  The Finale track on the FYC IS the film edit....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

FYC 08 Canto Bight (2:15)

OST equivalent: 08 Canto Bight (2:38)

 

Both tracks are roughly identical, though the FYC seems to be edited down in a bunch of spots, and fades out early instead of having the proper ending the OST track has.  However, one spot on the FYC includes an intended silence that is segued past in the OST version - compare 1:11 on the FYC to 1:22 on the OST.  An ideal edit would be the entire OST track, but with that section restored properly from the FYC track.

 

 

FYC 09 The Master Codebreaker (1:07)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

 

Rose tells Finn about growing up with Paige in a mining system the First Order took over, and how the rich people in this casino are profiting from the war, before they are interrupted by BB-8 and head into the casino to see the master codebreaker at a table.

 

 

FYC 10 The Fathiers (2:20)

OST equivalent: 11 The Fathiers (2:42)

 

This FYC track is more or less the same as the OST track, just shortened in many spots (like the sequence was tightened up after the cues were recorded).  I'd recommend just ignoring the FYC track and using OST track.

 

Of note is that this is a rare case of the FYC NOT matching the film exactly; The Fathiers sequence in the film is comprised of 3 separate cues, and both the OST AND FYC track contain the 1st and 3rd cues only, completely omitting the second cue (a brief piano source cue).  The end of the first cue and start of the third is at 0:56 of the OST track or 0:51 of the FYC track.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Jay I believe a portion of Fun With Finn and Rose in the OST track is looped/repeated for a few seconds more in the film (before the Resistance theme quote). At least that's what I heard when I saw it.

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I think the FYC version is right, it's the first music to be heard in that scene.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here's another "Escape" edit I've done. This one sounds very similar to the OST version in terms of structure (in fact, I didn't even use the FYC track for the first part of the track, which means, no Poe's Theme):

 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ktkbjHefnfDMU1ManfeknjqR5Yb50AFf

Link to comment
Share on other sites

FYC 11 The Cave (2:02)

OST equivalent: 12 The Cave [0:00-1:36]

 

This covers Rey in the cave seeing multiple images of herself.  The FYC seems to have a proper clean ending as recorded, but the OST correctly segues to the next cue exactly as the film does anyway, so the clean ending isn't really needed except for personal preference.

 

It's interesting to compare the FYC to OST.  They are approximately the same music, but the FYC version is longer because of many differences throughout.  In some spots it seems like the FYC might be artificially stretched / looped, while in others the FYC has material that the OST seems to have microedited out.  It sounds fine though, so for a complete edit you could use the FYC track and just mix the rest of the OST track (1:36-end) over the clean ending the FYC has.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

FYC 12 Rey's Journey (1:35)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

 

Rey instructs Chewie what to tell Finn if he finds him, then hops in her escape pod and heads to The Supremacy, where Kylo meets her in the landing bay.  This seems to have the proper clean opening and ending as recorded, though in the film it segues from and to other unreleased cues.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well... is this FYC exists on CD? If yes, yes, we'll get better... some day.

 

But I can live with the 192 kbps till the expanded release... in few years...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28)

OST equivalent: 14 A New Alliance [0:10-end] (3:03)

 

The OST track opens (0:00-0:10) with the music for Rey being brought to Snoke,  a cue that isn't on the FYC at all.

 

The FYC track is a complete presentation of a long uninterrupted sequence of music from a bit later in the film, some of which is on the OST and some of which is not.

 

  • FYC 0:00-1:24 (1:24) covers Snoke dropping Rey to the ground after torturing her, taunting her that he will kill Luke after they destroy the Resistance, showing her the transporters being destroyed, and bringing her in front of Kylo.  This isn't on the OST at all.
  • FYC 1:24-3:19 (1:55) covers Snoke telling Ren to kill Rey then taunting Rey some more; Kylo killing Snoke then Kylo and Rey beginning to fight the guards; and a bit of Poe on the transporters.  This is on the OST from 0:10-1:51 (1:41), though the OST seems to edit out material at around 0:48, so the FYC seems to be the superior choice.
  • FYC 3:19-4:00 (0:41) covers a bit of Finn talking to DJ and some more Rey/Ren guards fighting.  This isn't on the OST at all.
  • FYC 4:00-end (1:28) covers Rey and Ren finishing off the guards.  This is on the OST from 1:51-end (1:22).  There doesn't seem to be any edits in either version, which makes it easy to just use the FYC track all the way to the end.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Jay said:

FYC 13 A New Alliance (5:28)

OST equivalent: 14 A New Alliance [0:10-end] (3:03)

 

The OST track opens (0:00-0:10) with the music for Rey being brought to Snoke,  a cue that isn't on the FYC at all.

 

The FYC track is a complete presentation of a long uninterrupted sequence of music, some of which is on the OST and some of which is not.

 

Was not this the sequence in the film where the Emporers Theme is briefly quoted?  I thought we would hear it with the extra material at the begining of the cue. Must have been an insert.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Steve H said:

Was not this the sequence in the film where the Emporers Theme is briefly quoted?  I thought we would hear it with the extra material at the begining of the cue. Must have been an insert.

 

Yea, the OST from 0:00-0:10 is the start of the cue that ends with Snoke torturing Rey to the Emperor's Theme, but obviously we only have the first 10 seconds of the cue there.   The remainder of the cue is completely unreleased.

 

I don't know what you mean by "the extra material at the begining of the cue" because the the FYC track is music for later, after both the Emperor's Theme bit and an unreleased cue covering some Finn/Rose and Resistance scenes.  It starts when when Snoke drops Rey down to the ground, like I said in my post.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I found that fascinating to see this live, a score completely dissected by experts like that.

 

I understand nothing of course, but I'll take the final suggested playlist for sure!

 

Great job guys, particularly @Jay.

 

:up:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks, I'm continuing progress now, though am stopping for dinner soon.  Hopefully I can finish going through the score by the end of the day and then loop back and tackle Escape, but I might post playlists before doing that because analyzing Escape seems so daunting...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I want that playlist on my desk tomorrow morning. :sarcasm:

 

About "Escape" I don't think the perfect version of it exists, as it is very complex, do you think John Williams ever recorded it from the beginning to the end? Or it always have been a montage, in every version of the movie.

 

The question is... what Master Matessino would do with such a track? ;)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure what "montage" means, but of course its several smaller cues recorded separately and then edited together, and not one long 7 minute recording.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

I'm not sure what "montage" means, but of course its several smaller cues recorded separately and then edited together, and not one long 7 minute recording.

 

Oh sorry, I mean an editing, an assembling.

 

I don't why, I always think that montage is also common in english.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

FYC 14 Holdo's Resolve (2:17)

OST equivalent: None - Completely new track!

 

This covers some space action with the Resistance cruiser preparing to jump to lightspeed, Hux ordering his men to keep firing on the transports, Phasma ordering a more painful death for Finn and Rose, and then Holdo turning the cruiser around and ramming it into the Supremacy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Damien F said:

Does part of Holdo's Resolve appear in the OST version of the End Credits or is that a different version of that material?

 

The closing seconds and the opening strings are different, but it's otherwise the same version. I'm not sure if they do actually come from an alternative take or whether they're transitions meant for the end credits.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Guidelines.