Bowie 45 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Hope he incorporates subtle elements from "Han Solo and the Princess," such as that distinctive intervalic combination (i.e. re-mi-so-re.... re-ri-fi-ti,-do) This would actually make a great little competition idea for JWFan. Come up with a Solo theme! DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1. Prooves once and for all (as if there was any doubt) that Han DID NOT have a theme in the old scores. If he did, they would have used it since Disney is super committed to continuity. 2. Very underhand and Kennedy kinda clipped Powell's nuts with this right? Imagine telling someone You getting to score what is surely the biggest film in your career in the biggest brand franchise on Earth but you are not good enough to write the main theme? It is humiliating. Surely Kennedy couldn't have done this with Gia or Desplat? 3. Kennedy fired Desplat and the directors of Solo and Rogue One. So I think to avoid seeming very bloody minded she arrived at a deal with Powell. She might have said Your score is horeshit so I am getting you help. Agree or there's the door. 4. I think Williams will 100% write a concert suite which will be on the album and very publicized in marketing. I am thinking it will probably played as the first cue in the End Credits and some version of it will be adapted for the main title. 5. Hurray! A unexpected new Williams work to look forward too. Pieter Boelen, David Story and James 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Isn't the film already expected to be a box office as well as critical flop? Wonder Woman was also. Just rumours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Many things are granted. Solo's theme will be mediocre, missed opportunite and worse than anything in the trailer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Williams will be Powell's music consultant. I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Breadstick Basilisk said: Because it was a great movie. I wouldn't be proud of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Woah, two of my favourite living film composers collaborating on a single movie, holy crap! This is certainly interesting news. I was curious from the moment they announced Powell as the composer, when they pointed out that the music to the Han Solo movie will be "stylistically similar" to the Williams scores (or something like that), as if the audience needed encouragement that the score wouldn't be too different from what they're used to (because, actually, Powell has a very different style to Williams - Powell is much more pop-ish with his harmonic language*). Maybe that was a clue on their part that Williams would be contributing something... *in his film scores, I should say 1 hour ago, Cerebral Cortex said: It's already leaked. I'll say this much: the music is catchy as hell, but the dancing gives me nausea. I think it's because the faces aren't animated. Not Mr. Big and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: 1. Prooves once and for all (as if there was any doubt) that Han DID NOT have a theme in the old scores. If he did, they would have used it since Disney is super committed to continuity. Unless the new theme is a reworking of Han Solo and the Princess. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Story 57 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 58 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: ... Imagine telling someone You getting to score what is surely the biggest film in your career in the biggest brand franchise on Earth but you are not good enough to write the main theme? ... 5. Hurray! A unexpected new Williams work to look forward too. Agreed! JW is the spirit of Star Wars and is probably the only A list composer who can write a Golden Age theme. All the firings are evidence of how tricky this universe is to navigate. I like JP scores a lot, but JP, Desplat or anyone else they might actually hire are probably going to write a more effective score with guidance from JW. There are artists who can create in the Hollywood Romantic idiom, but they aren't in style... James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 This is the best of both worlds, I find. Great news igger6 and Matt C 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 John Powell is at his best when working with a Williams. When will Harry join the ride? The more, the merrier! igger6 and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 As much as I love the idea of a John Powell Star Wars score, it never sat right with me knowing that someone other than Williams would be writing the theme for Han. Now we get the best of both worlds, and Williams finally gets to give Han his theme. Only took 41 years to get to this point! Holko, Loert, 1977 and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I can't imagine a better scenario for the score for this movie, actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 Saw this news a few hours ago, and became immediately giddy. I know I and some others had been fantasizing about this arrangement, but I never believed it would actually happen! Some here seem to be taking this very cynically, but those thoughts hadn't even entered my mind until I read this thread. My first thought was simply that it's so exciting to see Williams engaging (at least to some extent) with the next generation of composers. And I hope we get a fully orchestrated concert suite!! Loert, James, Chewy and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 Calling it now: Williams will fall in love with Emilia Clarke's character and insist on scoring every moment of her. John Powell gets fired. Ramin Djawadi is removed from Game of Thrones at Williams' demands, Daenerys Targaryen's theme instantly enters the public consciousness. Suddenly he is more prolific than he was in the 70's and 80's. JW ages but never dies. He outlives us all. Will, Matt C, Falstaft and 8 others 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 211 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 29 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: John Powell is at his best when working with a Williams. When will Harry join the ride? The more, the merrier! TRAITORS! I GAVE THEM EVERYTHING, THE FOOD OF MY TABLE, THE SHITTY PROJECTS, GHOSTING, EVERYTHING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Muldoon said: Well at least they can see it coming this time. God knows why they were so proud of TLJ. I think they knew what they were doing. They fully intended to shake things up with TLJ and they absolutely did. Solo following so soon after is probably to calm things down again. And then for the next 1.5 years, people will keep themselves busy comparing both. By the time IX is in theaters, the shock of TLJ will have passed and the audience will be ready for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 Hope JW does a Zimmer and has his name on the album cover with Powell given credit in the booklet. Will, James, Pieter Boelen and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 Music by John Powell Main Theme by John Williams It's got a nice ring to it, doesn't it? Jurassic Shark, Darth Mulder, Pieter Boelen and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Muldoon said: Most of the audience will assume JW composed it all, just like they did with Rogue One. That is of course assuming they know who JW is in the first place. Yep. They won't know, and even if they knew they wouldn't care. Though is great that we're finally getting theme for Han and Williams is composing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I can't help wondering what the motive behind this is (I've been watching Designated Survivor - I'm in a conspiracy mindset). Are Disney sufficiently worried about the film that they want JW's name on it somehow? I wonder what Powell thinks (and I mean really thinks, not the PR crap he'll say about being 'an honour') about someone else writing his main theme? Whole thing feels very off. The day I think it "feels off" for John Williams to be writing a piece of Star Wars music is the day I retire from being a John Williams fan and/or a Star Wars fan. And that is never going to happen. John, Pieter Boelen, Breadstick Basilisk and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 Or as the internet is reporting it; Theme Song by John Williams Other Songs by John Powell crumbs, Smeltington, Jurassic Shark and 8 others 3 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Muldoon said: Well at least they can see it coming this time. God knows why they were so proud of TLJ. God knows, and so do I: because the movie is fucking awesome. 1977 and Breadstick Basilisk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: Or as the internet is reporting it; Theme Song by John Williams Other Songs by John Powell Lyrics by Leslie Bricusse JWMike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Lyrics by Leslie Bricuse Yes, now we are talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Skywanker said: Williams will be Powell's music consultant. I think Powell will adapt his score to Ferdinand, and JW will tell him where to insert the Force theme. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Am I the only one who's conflicted by this news? On one hand, great, anything new from Williams is great. On the other hand I was hoping to hear Powell's turn, but where he would write all of his own themes. 6 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Music by John Powell Williams Music by John John Williams Powell Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Arpy said: Am I the only one who's conflicted by this news? No. 33 minutes ago, Bryant Burnette said: The day I think it "feels off" for John Williams to be writing a piece of Star Wars music is the day I retire from being a John Williams fan and/or a Star Wars fan. And that is never going to happen. The point is that since this is a spinoff, JW was never going to be involved in the score, just like Cappuccino was left to his own devices for Rogue. The idea that out of the blue, Disney decides JW should write the main theme... it's good in that we get a new JW theme, but Powell's really good at writing memorable long-form themes too, and now he has to write a score using someone else's theme... like what he'd have come up with wouldn't be good enough. Meh. Also opens the score up to the inevitable 'is JW's theme better than any of Powell's themes' debate? Now if Zimmer were scoring and JW were asked to write a theme for him, that would be funny. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I saw Variety's headline on Twitter "‘Solo’ Locks In Key ‘Star Wars’ Veteran" with a photo of Harrison Ford. I thought Ford was returning to maybe bookend the film, definitely didn't expect JW to write a theme. I agree that this feels like a publicity stunt and doesn't bode well for the movie's quality. I was onboard with a movie showing how the Death Star plans were stolen, but a Hans Solo origins movie feels very misjudged. But who cares what the motivation was, we are getting new Williams Star Wars music! Anyway, really looking forward to hear what Williams writes and how Powell incorporates it into the score. I really hope the OST has a Williams concert arrangement of the theme (I'm sure it will). The movie is released in May so he might even feature it in his concerts in the latter half of the year. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 46 minutes ago, Arpy said: Am I the only one who's conflicted by this news? On one hand, great, anything new from Williams is great. On the other hand I was hoping to hear Powell's turn, but where he would write all of his own themes. Like I said in the other thread, I really don't think Powell requires any help whatsoever. He would do perfectly fine on his own. But it makes sense to have Williams write a theme, since they want to keep the Williams influence and the story probably allows for very few, if any, existing Williams themes to be used. So yes, I'm definitely conflicted here. But massively pleasantly surprised at the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 Powell has worked several times with other composers. And it's only a theme. Some of the best composers of all time have based entire works on other people's theme. I think the news are tremendously excting DarthDementous, Matt C, James and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I'm hoping the theme incorporates some kind of harmonic twist that lends it a distinctive flavor. Williams' very best themes tend to do this, whether its the bII in the second phrase of the Indy theme, the bVII just before the phrase ending to Luke's theme, the major IV ending the first phrase of the Force theme, basically all of the E.T. and Elliott theme, etc. It would be nice if ti was something not too common so it becomes a kind of harmonic fingerprint for the theme (like a piquant I-III# or some kind of detour through some cool flat chords). Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Han Solo's March or Raider's March? Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2017 Zero conflicted feelings. Far too soon there will be no new Star Wars music composed by John Williams. And when it's gone, it's gone. I'll take every note I can get. 1977, Cerebral Cortex, Holko and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted December 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2017 I can imagine JW being overprotective of Star Wars and hovering over Powell while he is trying to compose the score: "So you are using my theme like THAT. No it's fine, really. I wouldn't do it, definitely not, no way. But I'm sure it'll sound fine. Are you sure you want to use that chord there, seems like an odd choice, but you go right ahead. What the hell is that note doing there!!. Give me the sheet music, I'll just tidy it up for you. No need to thank me." Powell's left eye constantly twitching. JWMike, Holko, Pieter Boelen and 6 others 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted December 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2017 Smeltington, Loert, Taikomochi and 9 others 4 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I don't like where Powell's head is pointing there. Is that what he has to do to be able to use JW's themes? Arpy and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 39 minutes ago, Damien F said: I can imagine JW being overprotective of Star Wars and hovering over Powell while he is trying to compose the score: "So you are using my theme like THAT. No it's fine, really. I wouldn't do it, definitely not, no way. But I'm sure it'll sound fine. Are you sure you want to use that chord there, seems like an odd choice, but you go right ahead. What the hell is that note doing there!!. Give me the sheet music, I'll just tidy it up for you. No need to thank me." Powell's left eye constantly twitching. Or even with Ron Howard! "Oh, interesting choice you've made here Ron. I've never seen a scene done quite like this. Of course, George or Steven wouldn't have presumed to do it this way, but do what you think is right, you're the master." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Arpy said: John Powell. Our new celebrity! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 53 minutes ago, Damien F said: I can imagine JW being overprotective of Star Wars and hovering over Powell while he is trying to compose the score: "So you are using my theme like THAT. No it's fine, really. I wouldn't do it, definitely not, no way. But I'm sure it'll sound fine. Are you sure you want to use that chord there, seems like an odd choice, but you go right ahead. What the hell is that note doing there!!. Give me the sheet music, I'll just tidy it up for you. No need to thank me." Powell's left eye constantly twitching. Williams: Great cue Powell baby, you are exactly on the right path. How about you just orchestrate this cue for an electric guitar and drums. Then go present it to Kathleen. I am sure she will love it. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted December 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2017 leeallen01, Darth Mulder, James and 11 others 3 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Damien F said: I saw Variety's headline on Twitter "‘Solo’ Locks In Key ‘Star Wars’ Veteran" with a photo of Harrison Ford. I thought Ford was returning to maybe bookend the film, I read a spoiler that mentioned he does indeed appear. He is older and with a beard (not unlike Luke), and wins the day by playing an alto sax that causes an avalanche and smoothers the bad guys. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I heard that Han's theme will be played completely by 80 slide whistles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 So... is Williams going to view a rough cut and provide a full orchestrated theme for Powell to work with? Or will it be akin to a rough piano sketch for Powell to infuse his own style more easily? Either way, this sounds really promising. Powell does good work when he's using other people's themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Well it's exciting IF a true Williams arrangement appears on the OST But it could only be Williams writing a theme and Powell RCPing the shit out of it, making it sound like trailer music Remember Williams wrote themes for Suiperman 4 but we don't have actual Williams arrangements for them, and they sound kinda shitty and incomplete the way Alexander Courage arranged them James, 1977 and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I feel bad for John Powell but great for myself as a JW fan! Not Mr. Big and Darth Mulder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Pieter_Boelen said: But it makes sense to have Williams write a theme, since they want to keep the Williams influence and the story probably allows for very few, if any, existing Williams themes to be used. Depending on what cameos get shoehorned in, we may get Jabba's theme and/or Boba Fett's motif. Probably one of the ANH stormtrooper/Imperial motifs too. 49 minutes ago, king mark said: Remember Williams wrote themes for Suiperman 4 but we don't have actual Williams arrangements for them, and they sound kinda shitty and incomplete the way Alexander Courage arranged them When listening to Courage's arrangements of JW's themes, shitty and incomplete are not descriptions that come to mind. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I predict the film will be about Han doing the Kessel Run in twelve parsecs, with all kinds of bad guys after him. A real tour de force! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 It will break new ground for Star Wars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I hope Williams debuts the theme at the concerts I'm attending. End of April in Chicago and middle of June in Baltimore. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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