Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Its not a very good movie by any means, but at least it has something to do directly with the galactic struggle, which is what Star Wars is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 But it doesn't have any of the character stuff. I cared nothing for these people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Me neither. Didn't enjoy the action scenes too much, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I didn't care about what was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I found Rogue One quite good. Ollie and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I didn't enjoy it either, particularly the music. 1977 and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 That could have been better, but after the second viewing I realized it's quite decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Parts of it very good though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 I love the music, the Vador scenes, the 45 minutes of non-stop action climax and Felicity Jones. Love this film. 1977 and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 According to JW, it's Vadar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post idril 86 Posted January 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2018 I wasn't mad about Rogue One at first because of the total lack of character development or camaraderie. However, as time goes on and I rewatch it several times, I have learned to appreciate it for what it is and I have always loved the entire final action sequence. I just think there could've been less action in the beginning/middle of the film and more actual making us care about all these people so we actually cry when they die. But the whole movie is totally worth it for the final Vader/Leia bit. And I absolutely love the music. Obi, Ollie and 1977 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 There was certainly character development for the main character. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I really hope they will add subtitles for Chewie in this new movie, if not, it will be veeery long. 1977 and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Did you ever ask how Rey can understand Chewie? Is there a "Little Kashyyyk" on Jakku with a Wookie community or what? Smeltington and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 She's a savant. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: There was certainly character development for the main character. I respectfully disagree; I think Jyn was a terribly written protagonist with little to no actual development. From the start, she says that she doesn't care at all about the current galactic civil war (even though the Empire killed her mother, threatened her and her father's life, etc.). Then she finds her father, who is subsequently killed by rebel bombers on accident. Two minutes later, she discovers/is told that the Rebellion wanted to kill her father all along. This is a character that couldn't possibly care less about the conflict between the Empire and the rebels; she is entirely disillusioned with war. Well, what do you do after an organization kills your father and forces you to risk your life so they can accomplish that? You save the darn organization. Yes, she helps the Rebellion and saves it from dissolution. Therefore, I cannot believe or understand the third act of the film, because if anyone had any common sense in the writing department of Lucasfilm on how humans work, it wouldn't have happened. Jyn Erso is lower than one-dimensional; at least one-dimensional characters have a consistent goal. DarthDementous and igger6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Real people are not consistent, especially under pressure. Jyn is indeed disillusioned but finally does what she does for the greater good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 She's motivated in destroying the Death Star because she's seen what it can do and doesn't want it to happen to the galaxy. Also, she's one of the only people who knows it actually has a weakness, so there's a point in trying to get the plans. As for why she helps the people who ordered her father's death: by going to Scarif with the group, she actively disobeys their orders and rebels against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post idril 86 Posted January 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2018 I'm pretty sure the character Jyn Erso suffered from the behind-the-scenes recutting, reshooting and rewriting. Admittedly, that might be because her character was less successful in the original cut (the rumour, if I remember correctly, was that she was completely unlikable as a character and it was killing the film; not sure how true that is but obviously something was wrong). But if you watch the early trailer, the scene when she is the rebel base near the beginning getting recruited has a completely different feel to it and portrays a character who seems interested in joining the rebellion. It's hard to know exactly how she was changed or whether it was worse or better but I think it's clear there was no clear, confident or carefully-written character arc. It was edited together to try and be a certain thing, and in a way it was, but I didn't feel the soul of a character in it. And I think that's because there was no true vision for Jyn Erso as a character behind the scenes. igger6, Jay and John 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, idril said: I wasn't mad about Rogue One at first because of the total lack of character development or camaraderie. However, as time goes on and I rewatch it several times, I have learned to appreciate it for what it is and I have always loved the entire final action sequence. I just think there could've been less action in the beginning/middle of the film and more actual making us care about all these people so we actually cry when they die. What action? The film is utterly boring and inconsequential until the final action scene. And when that scene comes, its firing on way too many fronts: Jyn is inside the base, the other Rebels are on the ground, the fleet is in the sky, etc. Its Return of the Jedi syndrome! 3 hours ago, idril said: But the whole movie is totally worth it for the final Vader/Leia bit. So the movie is worth it for fan service? than what's the point of making an original story if that's what it amounts to? you might as well have simply made another The Force Awakens. crumbs and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, Holko said: She's motivated in destroying the Death Star because she's seen what it can do and doesn't want it to happen to the galaxy. Also, she's one of the only people who knows it actually has a weakness, so there's a point in trying to get the plans. As for why she helps the people who ordered her father's death: by going to Scarif with the group, she actively disobeys their orders and rebels against them. Exactly. She completes the mission for the greater good. Not for the Rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idril 86 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, Chen G. said: What action? The film is utterly boring and inconsequential until the final action scene. And when that scene comes, its firing on way too many fronts: Jyn is inside the base, the other Rebels are on the ground, the fleet is in the sky, etc. Its Return of the Jedi syndrome! I agree that the 'action' in the beginning and middle of the film is fairly boring and unmemorable. But I find the abundance of the final sequence quite spectacular. Didn't so much mind it in RotJ either though. 20 minutes ago, Chen G. said: So the movie is worth it for fan service? than what's the point of making an original story if that's what it amounts to? you might as well have simply made another The Force Awakens. Well it may be a little hyperbolic to say it is 'worth it' just for that. But I think it's a genuinely dramatic and cathartic sequence. Seeing Vader in action like that may be fan servicey but it is also our one chance to actually see Vader fight in a modern and terrifying way. Sure, that's something fans might have wanted. That doesn't make it bad. It makes it something dramatic and exciting that fans wanted, that was seen and was well done. I also feel like the ending sequence ties in Rogue One with A New Hope in a way that does make Rogue One feel more worth it as a film. It makes these people's sacrifice seem meaningful and adds to the beginning of New Hope. I do agree, we should have been made to care about their sacrifice without needing Leia and callbacks so directly. I desperately wish they had just spent some time building the team, giving them actual dialogue, using the very talented actors at their disposal. But they didn't, and that makes the movie weaker. However, for me at least, that ending saves much of what was wrong and makes me care retrospectively a lot more. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 That's fair. I'm certainly not saying that the film is completely without merit. I don't hate it by any stretch of the imagination: its a perfectly servicable motion picture. But I do find it lacking in character, in action (until the finale) and in polish (the digital double of Leia gives me night terrors). I'm also not a fan of the "seamless" transition in the case of this film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post idril 86 Posted January 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2018 Yeah honestly I can totally understand people who dislike Rogue One and it is far from my favourite Star Wars movie. Honestly I have just rewatched it a lot and recently rewatched it during a full marathon, going directly into New Hope after the credits of Rogue One ended. For me, that kind of clinched it that hey, this does kind of add something important and exciting and beautiful in its own way. But do I wish they had pulled it off better? Do I wish they'd transcended the mess behind the scenes and polished the film more (including the CGI)? Absolutely. I think I get a little exhausted at times with all the hating of Star Wars films. Like I sometimes lose the will to hate and just embrace them for what they are. With TLJ as well, it's like - I see the flaws, I really do. But I don't want to hate it. I want to enjoy it for what's good about it. John, Pieter Boelen and ChrisAfonso 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I thought Rogue One was bit bland but not horrible in any way. It's a well made film overall that tries really hard to make you care. Ultimately, it's only real flaw is that it's pointless for this film to exist. The entire concept of having an entire film to focus on "finding the thing to destroy the thing" instead of "destroying the thing" is bit silly. I guess they could just mention that in the opening crawl.... oh.... Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 It would have made the crawl too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,315 Posted January 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2018 People are just butthurt TLJ wasn't the film they wanted it to be. Rian did something different so automatically it's "wrong." The hyperbole across the internet is predictable and cringeworthy. Mind you, this is after two years of people bitching that TFA was just a rehash! Just reading through Rian's Twitter comments made me embarrassed; what a horrible reflection on the Star Wars community that people are basically threatening him over it. It's just a movie folks! Go vent your anger and frustration at something important like poverty or world hunger. Tiburon, Pieter Boelen, Fancyarcher and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, idril said: I think I get a little exhausted at times with all the hating of Star Wars films. Like I sometimes lose the will to hate and just embrace them for what they are. With TLJ as well, it's like - I see the flaws, I really do. But I don't want to hate it. I want to enjoy it for what's good about it. Indeed. Mine is a similar case with The Hobbit trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idril 86 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Indeed. Mine is a similar case with The Hobbit trilogy. Yeah I can understand that. The Hobbit trilogy has its problems (largely at the conception stage in my opinion) but I agree that it is also possible and really preferable to just enjoy it as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 And, in both cases, this enjoyment needn't be viewed as a "guilty pleasure", either by the person enjoying them, or by others. Both The Hobbit, Rogue One and The Last Jedi have a lot to legitimately enjoy in them. Pieter Boelen and idril 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 23 hours ago, idril said: I'm pretty sure the character Jyn Erso suffered from the behind-the-scenes recutting, reshooting and rewriting. Admittedly, that might be because her character was less successful in the original cut (the rumour, if I remember correctly, was that she was completely unlikable as a character and it was killing the film; not sure how true that is but obviously something was wrong). But if you watch the early trailer, the scene when she is the rebel base near the beginning getting recruited has a completely different feel to it and portrays a character who seems interested in joining the rebellion. It's hard to know exactly how she was changed or whether it was worse or better but I think it's clear there was no clear, confident or carefully-written character arc. It was edited together to try and be a certain thing, and in a way it was, but I didn't feel the soul of a character in it. And I think that's because there was no true vision for Jyn Erso as a character behind the scenes. Well said! idril 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForkAwakens 1 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 1:19 PM, Chen G. said: I believe we all want that. Although the uses should be appropriate, as you say, not like Giacchino repurposing The Force theme to "epic-wide-shot-of-spaceship-taking-off theme." I think as soon as you're dealing with a composer who didn't write the theme, you run into more risks of that sort of thing happening far too often. No! They should stick to spin-offs a-la Rian Johnson's proposed trilogy, not do more episodes. There is a lot of drama to be wrung out of finality in a film series. By continuing to make them, they'd undermine that. I didn't see anything wrong with the use of The Force Theme. How can you claim further Saga movies would undermine Episode IX when we haven't got even got to IX yet. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Agreed. It's not like the force played any part in the legendary shot of Luke looking at the binary sunset. TheForkAwakens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForkAwakens 1 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 1:35 PM, Jurassic Shark said: I would love more episodes when the current trilogy has gotten "old", for example in 20 to 30 years. On 2/1/2018 at 1:35 PM, Jurassic Shark said: I would love more episodes when the current trilogy has gotten "old", for example in 20 to 30 years. A think a few years should pass before they start working on future Saga trilogy but not 20 years. I think 5 to 10. On 5/1/2018 at 7:35 PM, someonefun124 said: Han was also shown with a woman during the Cantina sequence in a deleted shot. I don't know if a love theme would be appropriate for a womanizer, though. I'm guessing it will sound somewhat heroic. I guess it depends on how's he portrayed in the film... a goofball, scoundrel, hero? There is nothing in the movies to suggest Han is a womaniser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I somewhere in this forum moderated myself and adjusted it down to 10 - 20 years. TheForkAwakens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForkAwakens 1 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 1:41 PM, Jurassic Shark said: Return of the King had waaay too many endings. They could still make a new trilogy in some years no matter how conclusive the ending of episode IX. Exactly. Return of the Jedi has that conclusive ending and the story can still continue. No reason why Rey and the heroes can't defeat Kylo Res and face a new adversary five/ten years down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Yuuzhan Vong, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 1/11/2018 at 7:30 PM, Bespin said: I really hope they will add subtitles for Chewie in this new movie, if not, it will be veeery long. Maybe he'll finally learn to speak the galactic language (English). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2018 John Powell is interviewed about Ferdinand on the latest issue of FSM Online. The interviewer however closed the piece with a question about Han Solo. Here's what Powell said: Quote XS: Now, as we all know, you have a small project next year called Solo. What role does the music of Star Wars play in your life? I am aware of the military secrecy surrounding it, but what can we expect from Solo? JP: It’s huge. [Star Wars] is our understanding of what the best of film music can be. It’s absolutely at the top of it. Looking at John Williams’ legacy of tunes, it’s been knocking me out all the time. It’s devastating me hard to look at that stuff. It’s impossible! Come April, it will be done, and hopefully it will be really good, but I literally can’t say anything. This is the first time I’ve ever worked on anything so locked down. Part of the fun is that you shouldn’t know anything about it, other than this is a story that fits in that universe, featuring a character we love and just lost as well. So, it’s about how did we get to that point of liking this character. It will be a very interesting film to see! Aside from that, I can’t say anything. Even cue titles have to be carefully organized—it’s all going to be so vague. XS: I assume you’ve watched the latest installment? JP: Yes, I did. The score [to The Last Jedi] is incredible. [John Williams is] a force to be reckoned with. It’s another level—it doesn’t really comprehend in today’s Hollywood how he can be this good. This is the laugh: He’s 85 years old, but he can put more energy in a piece of music than a roomful of EDM fuckers. (Laughs) I love EDM, by the way, but you’ve got to admire the sheer velocity and kinetic energy that is created in Williams’ scores, even today. It’s so vital and muscular; it has such fire in it. That’s amazing that he has the energy to do that. It exhausts me to even just do a minute of it. 1977, Ricard, Bofur01 and 20 others 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Good find! So the score to the Solo flick won't have much "velocity and kinetic energy" in it because Powell is exhausted by doing just a minute of it. Maybe that's why they needed JW to write the theme... Pieter Boelen and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post idril 86 Posted January 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2018 he can put more energy in a piece of music than a roomful of EDM fuckers Golden quote!! Holko, Luka, Bayesian and 5 others 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'm still four or five issues behind on FSM Monthly (I just save the e-mails as reminders and binge read the issues when I find the time), but I'll jump right into the new one. John Powell is almost as good an interviewee as he is a composer. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2018 7 hours ago, TownerFan said: John Powell is interviewed about Ferdinand on the latest issue of FSM Online. The interviewer however closed the piece with a question about Han Solo. Here's what Powell said: By eliminating a few words (represented by ...) and changing one single word (underlined), Powell's interview reads like an awestruck rave of Williams' virility and sexual prowess. [John Williams is] a force to be reckoned with. It’s another level—it doesn’t really comprehend ... how he can be this good. This is the laugh: He’s 85 years old, but he can put more energy ... than a roomful of ... fuckers. (Laughs) ... you’ve got to admire the sheer velocity and kinetic energy that is created in Williams’ ... pork-baton. It’s so vital and muscular; it has such fire in it. That’s amazing that he has the energy to do that. It exhausts me to even just do a minute of it. Ricard, Kasey Kockroach, Not Mr. Big and 9 others 3 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 No mention from Powell about Williams doing the main theme? Not Mr. Big and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The interview may have been conducted before that was officially announced. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2018 Maybe they haven't told him! TheUlyssesian, crumbs, Not Mr. Big and 6 others 1 1 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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