DominicCobb 194 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Yep, that bit in Corellia Chase got me thinking of their connection in the first place. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Re: Han B (Searching), I can't help but think of Jyn Erso's theme, itself also bearing a slow mordent-like figure on the minor third degree of the scale followed by the tonic then fourth (fourth then tonic in the case of Han) but without the ternary rhythmic tricks of Han. They employ similar treatments of the minor tetrachord. Obviously no real connection other than them being protagonist themes in the first two SW anthology films, with Giacchino paying homage to Williams, with Jyn vaguely resembling the Force or Across the Stars. They all connect in a low res way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Just now, The Five Tones said: Re: Han B (Searching), I can't help but think of Jyn Erso's theme, I do notice a similar emotional tone to them for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Jyn Erso Han Solo Three letter first name that ends with N Four letter last name that ends with O Themes are similar The Five Tones and Muad'Dib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Nicely played - I approve the photo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Jyn Erso Han Solo Three letter first name that ends with N Four letter last name that ends with O Themes are similar Ergo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I'm still enjoying this score although I think I'll skip seeing the movie. Would I be right in saying that it's unlikely Disney will release an FYC now because we are so far away from next years Oscars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 There will probably be an FYC album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 21 hours ago, The Five Tones said: Re: Han B (Searching), I can't help but think of Jyn Erso's theme, itself also bearing a slow mordent-like figure on the minor third degree of the scale followed by the tonic then fourth (fourth then tonic in the case of Han) but without the ternary rhythmic tricks of Han. They employ similar treatments of the minor tetrachord. Obviously no real connection other than them being protagonist themes in the first two SW anthology films, with Giacchino paying homage to Williams, with Jyn vaguely resembling the Force or Across the Stars. They all connect in a low res way. Or Imperials/Krennic 1 for that matter, minus the tetrachord part. Fast lower neighbour tone figure followed by descending interval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 If anyone is interested, here is my transcription of the piece (by ear). crumbs, Falstaft, The Illustrious Jerry and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,825 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 piano sheet music of the whole piece, with the pages watermarked (except for the first one), but easy to follow despite that. https://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0185061 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Has anyone got that original mock-up of the leaked Williams sketch of his two Han Themes? I'm sure someone transcribed that leak into a mock-up and it was fabulous in piano form! I went back through the thread looking for it but it's been deleted. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I remember when the two mockups were up for a few hours, they were different from the actual score but quite good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Wait, there was a leak of JW’s sketch? 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 The Score Podcast leaked a sheet and someone here made a piano mockup based on it, but all those posts were deleted when the Score guys were asked to take the sheet down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 And now that early mock-up is lost! But it was really good!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Was it the complete theme, or a condensed less than a minute version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just a bare single rendition of the main and the searching themes, less than a minute. I listened to it about 20 times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I have a mockup that's 40 something seconds, think that might be it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I have those piano recordings saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 There's no risk in reuploading them now, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Am I allowed to post Dropbox links because they are cover versions performed by another JWFan member? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 You could PM them, though... Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted November 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 11, 2018 "Han Hero" (unlisted) "Han B" (unlisted) Does anyone remember who performed these? Holko, Pieter Boelen, crlbrg and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Ahh, the memories! No idea who it was though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Wasn't it @Docteur Qui? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 11, 2018 Yep that was me! I was going off the lead sheet that leaked before we had heard the track. looohhk, Taikomochi and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I just don't get it. We have now the real music(which is great, except powell) why this interest of the mockups? And the love for the trailer music😱 you don't know who is JW. My final post. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, hornist said: I just don't get it. We have now the real music(which is great, except powell) why this interest of the mockups? And the love for the trailer music😱 you don't know who is JW. My final post. Cheers. What are you on about? @crumbs was just asking about the recordings I made a few months ago, it was an exciting time, right on the cusp of some brand new Williams music. Why are you such a wet blanket? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 You're allowed to post dropbox or whatever else links to your own recordings or midi mockups, etc of things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Anybody happen to save the Boston Pops premiere performance? crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Listened to this very much lately, suggesting it to our orchestra for a great encore for a film night. Since it is available by Hal Leonard we should buy this. Such an amazing piece of music, the film was awful so was the score but this piece survived. Ear worm stuff that theme is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 not as good as Galaxy's Edge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 So much better!! And I also love Galaxy's Edge😍 Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,510 Posted January 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2020 . Tydirium, Muad'Dib and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Heard this today, and it reminded me of the Adventures of Han: I don't hear the correlation at all, personally. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted May 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2020 Not sure if this nugget of information is previously known (it's news to me). In this recent podcast, Powell confirms that all the cues John sketched & orchestrated for Solo were recorded in LA. It wasn't just the concert suite which got recorded: Quote Powell: We went into John Williams demo mode which is very different from the rest of us. When I go into demo mode I'm locked in my small room and I turn themes into orchestrations in MIDI, played by sample libraries that try to give an idea for everybody about what it's going to sound like. A John Williams demo is you go to Sony Picture scoring stage with an orchestra of 90 people and you record things. You can't use them, unfortunately we were recording in London so even though we were doing the demos here we couldn't use any of it, at all. We had to be very careful about that. But that was the way for everybody to be able to hear his ideas of cues. So for one session at Sony, he took all of these, about 6 or 7 cues he'd sketched out and orchestrated, and they were recorded, and then there was one thematic piece which wasn't to picture. So, armed with all of that material, I took his themes and added them to about 4 or 5 that I'd written for other things we needed and started to develop parts of his themes in, hopefully, ways that he would like... and use them in the correct places for the right reasons, use my themes in the right way, underpin my themes with his ostinati and vice versa, and just mould it all together. And he would check in every now & again and see how it was going. For me, that was as much of a collaboration as I ever thought I would get and it was a wonderful experience. I really did it under the auspices of a master. I think previously we only knew these additional cues were fully orchestrated and given to Powell, not that every Williams cue was recorded at Sony alongside the concert suite. I wonder if we'll ever hear this music, or whether it was recorded on the condition it could not be released commercially (hopefully it just applies to usage in the film itself, while a commercial release would be permissible for a fee). Cerebral Cortex, Fabulin, Will and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I hope those are not lost and got recorded :(. Or get rerecorded someday. it would have been wonderful that Williams had wanted to do so much input in rogue one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Powell: When I go into demo mode I'm locked in my small room and I turn themes into orchestrations in MIDI, played by sample libraries that try to give an idea for everybody about what it's going to sound like. A John Williams demo is you go to Sony Picture scoring stage with an orchestra of 90 people and you record things. Hahah, love it! All wearing tuxedos, in my imagination, of course. Joni Wiljami and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,436 Posted May 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2020 THEY DO THESE THINGS TO TORTURE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! crlbrg, crumbs, Edmilson and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 6 or 7 cues to film is a lot. I would love to hear those cues played over the footage and hear how he imagined the score. I imagine a lot of it was development of the main theme. It is pretty much plastered all over the soundtrack so I wonder how much of JW's 6 or 7 cues are still in the film? There are long stretches of the Space Port music that sound like classic JW. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 See, Spaceport is one of the last places I’d imagine one of JW’s contributions would be in. if i were to guess, I’d say Hyperspace, that Han theme bit near the end of Reminiscence Therapy, Don’t Hold Your Breath and the end of Dice and Roll were the most likely I can think of Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted May 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2020 There’s two JW-only cues with titles in the GEMA database, Kessel Run Pt. 1 - TIE Chase A and Kessel Run Pt. 1 - TIE Chase C, which I believe are both in the ‘Into the Maw’ OST track, though this wouldn’t be his original recordings. Williams also apparently did something called Walk to Dryden’s. Anyone happen to know what that might be, and if it’s on the album? Also, the end of Dice and Roll is indeed JW (as @Falstaft suspected), as well as Meet Han, though I assume Powell added additional percussion to the later when it was re-recorded. crumbs, Will, Falstaft and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,275 Posted May 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: There’s two JW-only cues with titles in the GEMA database, Kessel Run Pt. 1 - TIE Chase A and Kessel Run Pt. 1 - TIE Chase C, which I believe are both in the ‘Into the Maw’ OST track, though this wouldn’t be his original recordings. No chance that's just Asteroid Field? 11 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Williams also apparently did something called Walk to Dryden’s. Anyone happen to know what that might be, and if it’s on the album? Oh fuck I know exactly what this is, not on album but has always been one of my favorite unreleased bits, I'll find it in Manakin's drive... Gotta be 0:54 of "Dryden's Yacht" Fabulin, BrotherSound, Will and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 minute ago, mrbellamy said: No chance that's just Asteroid Field? No, I don’t think so. These are JW entries for music written specifically for Solo: A Star Wars Story. And there’s 6 items, not including the Adventures of Han, which matches what Powell has said about the number of cues and demos done by Williams. I believe the reuse of The Asteroid Field wouldn’t require a new entry, but would instead be entered as an additional use of the existing entry for that cue from ESB. Falstaft and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I hear a bit of the love theme in that Dryden cue. I always thought Williams might have something to do with that theme. Maybe he wrote a sketch and Powell modified it. Also Reminiscence Therapy is a compilation of JW themes and when Chewy's Theme pops up it also sounds like something Williams might have wrote (the true Williams orchestrated version). Seems the more we learn (JW's demos with several themes), the more it's likely Williams presence in this score is more imprinted than we think crumbs and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Might this have something to do with their both being co-nominated for the Grammy for “Mine Mission”? I always thought that L3/robot revolt theme was in Williams’ wheelhouse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTenma 116 Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 So if Williams was Zimmer the movie would have only said "Music by John Williams" and Powell would appear as "Additional Music by John Powell", right? Edmilson, toothless, Fabulin and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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