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5 minutes ago, Arpy said:

Perhaps Holdo should've told Poe, but I think what they were trying to go for was the fact that Poe isn't a hero, he is a hot-headed flyboy, it wasn't a message of blind obedience, it should've been trust in the admiral's plan and they make a point of this by having Poe act out in desperation!

But why should he have trusted her plan?  She was a newbie to the full leadership role.  She could have told him, but deliberately did not so that he would have to just obey her.  The same damn storyline would have fit without modification on a First Order ship. 

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@Docteur Qui If only it were that simple because I think that might be the case, but not entirely so for this film. I think there are two themes that pervade the film and those are the themes of desperation and failure - desperation was the root cause for the lack of effective communication between Holdo and Poe. In the film it is unquestionably the case that Holdo was in the right and that Poe's reaction is what almost sabotages that plan. She has no obligation to tell Poe her plans - in this way I think it's a neat exposé in the sense that it's showing us a role reversal for the typical hero, that they're the center of attention or in positions of power afforded to them as a consequence of their importance in the plot. Luke in ANH is setup to be a brilliant pilot and ends up fighting for the rebels in the squadron in the end battle but I think that's only a consequence of him being the protagonist where I wouldn't necessarily find it agreeable to include a rookie recruit in such a daring battle plan. Yet in Luke's case, it could be argued that it was the Force guiding him, or the rebels are in need of pilots, or that it's simply the case that it was a nice action set-piece for the character to be involved in.

 

Both Holdo and Leia know of Poe's heroic deeds, but both also understand that his actions are reckless - the opening space battle all but confirms this, they barely escaped losing all of their bombers, only to destroy one dreadnought ship.

 

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2 hours ago, Arpy said:

In the film it is unquestionably the case that Holdo was in the right

 

Agreed, she’s blatantly a tortured Hillary Clinton metaphor.

 

2 hours ago, Arpy said:

Both Holdo and Leia know of Poe's heroic deeds, but both also understand that his actions are reckless - the opening space battle all but confirms this, they barely escaped losing all of their bombers, only to destroy one dreadnought ship.

 

Only? It had a complement of 215,000 personnel. The construction cost is clearly thousands of times more than a squad of bombers, not to mention it probably had hangars of its own bombers, not to mention ground assault vehicles, etc.

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Holdo has more resolve than Hillary Clinton.

10 minutes ago, Pellaeon said:

 

Agreed, she’s blatantly a tortured Hillary Clinton metaphor.

 

 

Only? It had a complement of 215,000 personnel. The construction cost is clearly thousands of times more than a squad of bombers, not to mention it probably had hangars of its own bombers, not to mention ground assault vehicles, etc.

At the cost of losing their increasingly fledgling fleet. They were on their last legs.

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On 5/19/2018 at 3:07 PM, King Mark said:

so basically the JW themes (ir it's adaptations by Powell)  are the highlight of the score

 

If saying that over and over again makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside... knock yourself out.

 

:rolleyes:

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5 hours ago, Arpy said:

At the cost of losing their increasingly fledgling fleet. They were on their last legs.

 

Why? I thought the First Order was a handful of terrorist fanatics from the Unknown Region who showed up and attacked the New Republic. The New Republic blew up their Death Star and blew up their Dreadnaught. How are we supposed to believe the New Republic, with all its unlimited resources, can still only field a pathetic resistance force against the might of the unstoppable juggernaut that is the First Order? That don’t make a lick of sense.

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55 minutes ago, Pellaeon said:

 

Why? I thought the First Order was a handful of terrorist fanatics from the Unknown Region who showed up and attacked the New Republic. The New Republic blew up their Death Star and blew up their Dreadnaught. How are we supposed to believe the New Republic, with all its unlimited resources, can still only field a pathetic resistance force against the might of the unstoppable juggernaut that is the First Order? That don’t make a lick of sense.

 

The First Order was building for a long time in the Outer Regions. I think in the film they even say "We took down A Dreadnaught" or "one of their Dreadnaughts". Now the Supremacy was probably a much bigger blow, since it was their mobile HQ and a flying factory.

 

The Resistance is a separate entity from the demilitarized New Republic, technically outlaws, but secretly supported by the NR. Maybe the NR had some defense force, but they're not going to go attack the FO a few days after they took out the whole government, they're going to defend the more important systems.

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Outside of documentaries, TV is still a narrative format. You're watching a certain story take place against the backdrop of the fictional world of the series. The world is never (and should never) be the actual subject.

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3 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Who cares?!

 

Star Wars fans, like Star Trek fans and fans of every imaginary universe, have always cared. Yeah, yeah, I know, “Get a life!” Doesn’t mean I have to like it when things make poor sense in the logic of the imaginary universe, or when discontinuity is created. It jerks you out of the story; it distracts from the story.

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@Pellaeon The film made it clear the First Order were on the path to obliterating the Resistance. The First Order bounced back after their defeat in the last film, as the opening crawl tells us:  

 

The FIRST ORDER reigns.
Having decimated the peaceful
Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke
now deploys the merciless
legions to seize military
control of the galaxy.

 

Yeah, I guess sometime between TLJ and TFA, the First Order launched an assault upon the Republic, making the Resistance the only force standing against the First Order and their domination of the galaxy.

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6 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Outside of documentaries, TV is still a narrative format. You're watching a certain story take place against the backdrop of the fictional world of the series. The world is never (and should never) be the actual subject.

 

The world is the only subject, given that it is where we all live and think and feel; no story exists that is not a reflection of it.

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11 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

Doesn’t mean I have to like it when things make poor sense in the logic of the imaginary universe, or when discontinuity is created. It jerks you out of the story; it distracts from the story.

 

Its merely the stage for the story.

 

Of course, staging is important and the world of the films needs to be consistent. But if you think about it too much (especially in terms of what transpires off of the screen and between films), some inconsistencies are bound to reveal themselves. If its nothing too major, one should be able to look past it.

 

By not delving into what brought The First Order to such a position of power, both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi can flow much better as films. I guess some of it could have been told in the crawl, but there's a reason the crawl is as short as it is. Otherwise, you'll end up with tidious crawl like The Phantom Menace's, or with a languid one like the first drafts of the opening crawl to the original Star Wars, which were twice as long. Not a good way to start your film.

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17 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Who cares?!

 

I FOUND IT!

 

Something I finally agree with you on.  CHEN!

 

13 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said:

Ummmm. Didn't the First Order obliterate the entire New Republic using Starkiller Base on-screen in TFA?

 

Right.  The Resistance  is not the New Republic.  They are Leia's scrappy offshoot because the republic didn't view the First Order as a threat, and refused to militarize.  The New Republic's capital world and several others all popped out of existence mid-TFA.

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21 minutes ago, mstrox said:

Who cares?!

 

i care.gif

 

21 minutes ago, mstrox said:

Right.  The Resistance  is not the New Republic.  They are Leia's scrappy offshoot because the republic didn't view the First Order as a threat, and refused to militarize.  The New Republic's capital world and several others all popped out of existence mid-TFA.

 

I thought you don’t care.

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14 minutes ago, Pellaeon said:

 

i care.gif

 

 

I thought you don’t care.

 

Any haziness in the political state of the galaxy didn't affect the movie experience for me - isn't important.  The story is important.  Characters learn lessons over the backdrop of good guys doing X and bad guys doing Y. 

 

If you keep up with the secondary tier stuff (novelizations, visual dictionaries, Poe comics, Bloodline) the worldbuilding stuff is very clear.  Doesn't mean that it matters.

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17 hours ago, ocelot said:

OK, how does one insert a video on here?

 

Put it on youtube, then just paste the URL into a post here.  Nothing more complicated than that.

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I haven't dug through all of this thread yet, just about to so I'll delete (or mods feel free) if someone has posted this already.

 

There is a Google Assistant ad is up, that has very awesome Williamsy music. Thought it might be cool to share in case it got lost in the excerpt/snippet hunt before the release.

 

 

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Album version : 2 1/2 minutes

Live  Concert Version: 6 minutes

 

 

i'm not sure what it is, but ithere's going something to complain about and leave us bitterly disappointed with what' s on the c.d. There has to be.

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9 hours ago, Falstaft said:

Hi everyone,

 

I just attended an open rehearsal of tomorrow's Boston Pops concert (with the maestro himself conducting!). It's going to feature the world premiere of "The Adventures of Han," as well as Pops premieres of "Rebellion is Reborn" and the new "Han Solo & the Princess" arrangement.

 

I've got a lot to say about the new Solo piece, which I'm sure we'll all be poring over soon enough. But I thought I'd just share this much -- you're going to love it. It's complex, substantial, and memorable. There's some impossibly virtuosic trumpet writing in the middle that is especially impressive, very much in the vein of "Rey's Journey" from TLJ, only even more elaborate. In fact, the whole piece feels like a hybrid of straight-forward character themes (themes--yes, there's two) and action set-piece. I noticed some welcome shades of the ostinatos from "I Can Fly Anything" and the little recurring octatonic motif from "The Battle of Crait." 

 

If it's using this thematic material, I imagine Powell's score should be a real barn-burner!

I have my problems with Disney-era SW, but moments like this easily make up for all the missteps. 

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