Popular Post BTR1701 59 Posted January 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2018 Both amusing and informative. Breadstick Basilisk, pete and James 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The minute he called it "a song" I stopped watching. Not Mr. Big and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 That's a pity because it's a great video. Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Sounds interesting, but I haven't much of a clue about music theory so I couldn't really understand much. What I do understand is that The Imperial March is an awesome piece of music and that John Williams really knows what he's doing! James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 It's not an inaccurate video (well, mostly; that Gb at 4:37 should be an F#), but I will never understand the appeal of these fast-talking fast-drawing "educational" animations... The animation isn't so much the problem, but more the quirky narration which frankly drives me up the wall. I especially can't stand when people do that "low distorted voice effect", such as from the "Go see TLJ" segment from 8:20. There's a name for that effect but I can't remember what it is. And besides, the video goes by too fast to learn anything from it. minutephysics is another channel I don't get the appeal of for the same reason. Now that's enough negativity for the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 11 hours ago, leeallen01 said: The minute he called it "a song" I stopped watching. 1% percent of the people do NOT call every music a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Loert said: It's not an inaccurate video (well, mostly; that Gb at 4:37 should be an F#), but I will never understand the appeal of these fast-talking fast-drawing "educational" animations... The animation isn't so much the problem, but more the quirky narration which frankly drives me up the wall. I especially can't stand when people do that "low distorted voice effect", such as from the "Go see TLJ" segment from 8:20. There's a name for that effect but I can't remember what it is. And besides, the video goes by too fast to learn anything from it. minutephysics is another channel I don't get the appeal of for the same reason. Now that's enough negativity for the weekend. God forbid someone makes a subject as dreary as music theory fun. Gb and F# are the same note. How is that incorrect? And people call me negative or obsessive. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 They have the same tone, they're the same keys on the piano, and they're the same fingering on whatever wind instrument you're holding. But on paper, they are different notes. Thats the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, gkgyver said: God forbid someone makes a subject as dreary as music theory fun. Gb and F# are the same note. How is that incorrect? And people call me negative or obsessive. Which one is properly used depends on the key and chord. It's like in language where two words can mean the same thing but depending on the context, one is correct and the other is not. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 IT'S THE SAME KEY ON THE FREAKING KEYBOARD, IT'S THE SAME Pieter Boelen and Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, gkgyver said: IT'S THE SAME KEY ON THE FREAKING KEYBOARD, IT'S THE SAME Not in the language of music it isn't. You can rant about it all you like, but that won't change the reality and practice of music theory that's been in effect for centuries. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 6 hours ago, gkgyver said: IT'S THE SAME KEY ON THE FREAKING KEYBOARD, IT'S THE SAME on the keyboard it is, but for string player it's a difference. at least in old school it is. Like a violinist would play a G flat a bit different than an F sharp. That it sounds the same on the keyboard is because a certain tuning had to be invented in the 17th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament It feels like it's not SUCH a big thing in amercian music theory. I saw sheet music of John Williams' score where an F minor chord had a G sharp (instead of A flat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Sometimes these different spellings of notes just make chords easier to read. Like this one: Falstaft and Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Ludwig said: Sometimes these different spellings of notes just make chords easier to read. Like this one: Hmm, this is clearly going to go on with Dbbb - C##### - G#. Also known as C major to B - F - Ab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 On 12.1.2018 at 4:24 PM, leeallen01 said: The minute he called it "a song" I stopped watching. plus too ADHD for normal people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 In G major, you have one sharp, F#. That makes G natural. In Gb major, you have five flats: Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, and Gb. F is natural. So if you're writing in G but want to write Gb instead of F#, you need to use accidental markings. Accidental markings only have effect in that particular measure. These should be used sparingly for special notes outside the norm of the key. Otherwise you're inviting the musician to make mistakes when playing your piece, for example during fast runs of scales, because you stubbornly can't follow the rules. The music would be very sloppy with unnecessary sharp, flat, and natural symbols all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 On 1/12/2018 at 9:24 AM, leeallen01 said: The minute he called it "a song" I stopped watching. Me too. I bailed 18 seconds in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Woj said: In G major, you have one sharp, F#. That makes G natural. In Gb major, you have five flats: Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, and Gb. F is natural. So if you're writing in G but want to write Gb instead of F#, you need to use accidental markings. Accidental markings only have effect in that particular measure. These should be used sparingly for special notes outside the norm of the key. Otherwise you're inviting the musician to make mistakes when playing your piece, for example during fast runs of scales, because you stubbornly can't follow the rules. The music would be very sloppy with unnecessary sharp, flat, and natural symbols all over the place. And yet that's exactly how all the scores (and parts) are written: with no key signatures (in C), so that all the sharps and flats of the key are included in the body of the music. E.g., this bit from ESB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 So just throw rules out the window then. He just hasn't enjoyed an arranger coming along to make the music user friendly for amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 1/12/2018 at 4:47 PM, Loert said: It's not an inaccurate video (well, mostly; that Gb at 4:37 should be an F#), but I will never understand the appeal of these fast-talking fast-drawing "educational" animations... The animation isn't so much the problem, but more the quirky narration which frankly drives me up the wall. I especially can't stand when people do that "low distorted voice effect", such as from the "Go see TLJ" segment from 8:20. There's a name for that effect but I can't remember what it is. And besides, the video goes by too fast to learn anything from it. minutephysics is another channel I don't get the appeal of for the same reason. Now that's enough negativity for the weekend. That sort of "Vocal Fry" thing he does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Fal said: That sort of "Vocal Fry" thing he does? Yes, that's the phrase I was looking for. A big turn off for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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