Turbo 54 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 In comparing it to other tracks, despite an album edit or two, it coincides with part of Belle Enter's Beast's World on the Legacy Collection. In short, it's superfluous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Turbo said: In comparing it to other tracks, despite an album edit or two, it coincides with part of Belle Enter's Beast's World on the Legacy Collection. In short, it's superfluous. yes, I edited my post above. weird, that ost version. I guess it was in USA like that (before the special edition cd)? Everyone was missing the thrilling wolf attack music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo 54 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 That's the version I grew up listening to on cassette, when I got the CD as an adult it had a different version. It was strange. Either way, I'm glad the mystery is solved. Thanks for the teamwork. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 9.2.2018 at 3:16 PM, JohnnyD said: Having listened to this release, hear are my impressions. Everything from the songs to Alan Menken's wonderful score is remastered, and it all sounds amazing. Not only are all the songs presented on this release, but Alan Menken's complete score for the finished film is included. The only thing missing is the early version of "Death of the Beast". However, that can be found on the previously released Special Edition soundtrack. The only minor setback is that a few tracks bleep into the next: "Main Title - Prologue" bleeds into "Belle", "Tonight's the Night" bleeds into "Beauty and the Beast", "Beast Lets Go" bleeds into "The Mob Song", and "Battle On the Tower" / "Death of the Beast" bleeds into "Transformation." However, these tracks technically segue into each other as in the film. It only becomes slightly jarring if you want to listen to one of these tracks individually. Besides that, this release is great. The labels should know that bleeding tracks are a no-go nowadays. The Burbs, Hook and Star Trek: Insurrection are the only scores I know that still have it. CuriousMan and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 If the tracks were built to segue into each other, it’s a completely valid choice on album. Too many clean endings and clean openings and some scores with short tracks sound like sessions leaks. 1977 and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/10/2018 at 3:49 PM, Turbo said: There were two versions of the original soundtrack release, one had an alternate version of West Wing as you see above. It is indeed genuine. Good call, updated. The West Wing/Wolf Attack has an odd transition here. The West Wing cue seems to be cut short before Wolf Attack begins. In the film, the transition is much more fluid and natural as if it was one piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 15 hours ago, mstrox said: If the tracks were built to segue into each other, it’s a completely valid choice on album. Too many clean endings and clean openings and some scores with short tracks sound like sessions leaks. Then join them to one track! It doesn't make sense to seperate them, when it is just possible to listen to them together. bollemanneke and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Oh, did you mean that the cues segue onto one another but there’s still a track break? Yeah, that’s super gross. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Whoever decided to include this awful deleted song in the main playlist should be launched into a lake. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Human Again? I believe it was in the Special Edition of the film. so blame the people who made that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 If I ever see them, I will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 If you took out Human Again (and I'd love to), I wonder if you can fit the soundtrack on one disc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 3/1/2018 at 3:58 PM, Fal said: Human Again? I believe it was in the Special Edition of the film. so blame the people who made that. Just watched The Lion King with my kid the other day, and the special edition includes that awful Morning Report song - thankfully in that case, the producers of the Legacy Collection CD made it a bonus track. Easy enough to unprogram Human Again. Just still think it's a weird choice to put in the main program. 12 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: If you took out Human Again (and I'd love to), I wonder if you can fit the soundtrack on one disc.. I believe it would JUST fit, but only if you also leave off the pop version of Beauty and the Beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 So I'm still trying to figure out the various versions on the music at the end, in general what there is for the Battle on the Tower and the Transformation scenes. I've got four CD releases to go with: 1991 OST (European version) 13. Battle on the Tower (5:30) 14. Transformation (5:48) 1994 Music Behind the Magic 10. Transformation #1 - Final (1:36) 11. Transformation #2 - Final (5:48) 2001 Special Edition 14. Battle on the Tower (5:29) 15. Transformation (5:50) 19. Death of the Beast - Original Early Vision (1:29) 2018 LE 2-6. Battle in the Castle (2:27) 2-7. Death of the Beast (4:38) 2-8. Transformation (4:13) I'll report back in a little while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 So, I came up with the following. Doesn't look as tidy as Jay's comparison charts, but you're free to re-do them: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,312 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 Nicely done! Kühni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Pity that they chose not to include the two alternate openings to "Transformation" and the "Prologue" without the voice-over on the Legacy set. Oh well, keeping the OST isn't a problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Listening to this set now. Volume is too low and why on earth is there so much dialogue?! (Prologue, Bell, Gaston (Reprise)... What is this, the movie or the CD? Not buying this. I love the songs, but don't need the conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Listening to this set now. Volume is too low and why on earth is there so much dialogue?! (Prologue, Bell, Gaston (Reprise)... What is this, the movie or the CD? Not buying this. I love the songs, but don't need the conversations. Agreed. It's pretty poor that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Are all these legacy sets like this? I can't understand how out-of-touch these producers are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Any one else think Menken is overrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I think Horner did. He's fine, but only his work on Beast deserved an Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Kinda, but I like some of his stuff anyway (mainly Little Mermaid). But comparing it to the Oliver Wallace/Paul Smith magic can be pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Are all these legacy sets like this? I can't understand how out-of-touch these producers are. Those "conversations" are lyrics, they are part of the songs, they are in the demo's etc. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve McQueen said: I think Horner did. He's fine, but only his work on Beast deserved an Oscar. But apparently no satisfying expansion. I am going to kill the mouse, when they fuck up Mulan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Falafel said: Those "conversations" are lyrics, they are part of the songs, they are in the demo's etc. Yeah...but most intros are no sung or are backed up with the music...and I hate the Romeo and Juliet interlude dialogue in "human again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Exactly, and Human Again shouldn't even be in the main program. And there's a rather disgusting sound in Beauty and the Beast, before Lansbury's 'unexpectedly' line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,340 Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 It's called a human throat/tongue/breath. mstrox, Kasey Kockroach and Disco Stu 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 It's gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said: I think Horner did. He's fine, but only his work on Beast deserved an Oscar. I want to know more about this Menken/Horner beef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Alex said: I want to know more about this Menken/Horner beef I think I read it here on these boards, that it was some talk Horner was giving to a class where he criticized Menken for leaving too much compositional tasks to his orchestrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I’ve seen the video. Horner specifically had a problem with Menken winning Best Original Score, implying that he left it to orchestrators to adapt his melodies for the underscore and took the credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 42 minutes ago, Falafel said: It's called a human throat/tongue/breath. People need to stop breathing, it's ruining Disney music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 That's not breathing, it's lip-smacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 You’re on your own here bolle bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve McQueen said: I think Horner did. He's fine, but only his work on Beast deserved an Oscar. Good as his work on that is, he topped it twice: on Hunchback and especially Pocahontas, IMO... Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Good as his work on that is, he topped it twice: on Hunchback and especially Pocahontas, IMO... Yavar Oh, I do think Hunchback and Pocahontas are fantastic. I'm especially partial for Hunchback. But, I was referring to the movies for which he actually won the Oscars. Mermaid and Aladdin were not the best scores of their nomination groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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