Popular Post Dzadza 90 Posted January 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2018 Forgive me if this has been posted before - I just saw it... Ricard, James, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 And they used TFA recording for the OST....just..why? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Cool to see, but if we want to get nitpicky (and don’t we always in these forums?), there’s a couple major issues with this take: 1. The second cymbal crash around 0:26 is a beat later than it should be 2. Trumpet intonation starting around 1:08 is pretty bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Who said it's a perfect take? The original Star Wars Main Title as it's in the '77 movie is assembled from 3-4 different takes, they could've done that here but for some reason didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Did JW record the main title again for TLJ? I thought the one from TFA was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Josh500 said: Did JW record the main title again for TLJ? I thought the one from TFA was used. It seems they recorded it, but ended up not using it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 So, they apparently recorded a few takes. I wonder if they then bothered to assemble an edit using various takes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 A tiny bit of footage I think we haven't seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Josh500 said: Did JW record the main title again for TLJ? Yes. That's literally what the video in the main post of this thread you're in shows. 3 hours ago, Josh500 said: I thought the one from TFA was used. It was. We don't know why a TLJ recording wasn't used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Based on a response from Rian Johnson I saw on Twitter, he's not sure why, either. Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 By the way, 90% of material in this thread that people mention as new was already linked in some other thread. I'm also starting to see our 90.000 threads for TLJ as a bit of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 TLJfan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 My personal opinion is that a new version of the main theme was used in the film but not the OST. As to exactly why that was, I do not know. They probably recorded many versions and picked the one that they felt was the most superior for the film and for a listening experience and those might not have been the same. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Holko said: By the way, 90% of material in this thread that people mention as new was already linked in some other thread. I'm also starting to see our 90.000 threads for TLJ as a bit of a problem. you think it's bad. you weren't around before the LotR sub forum was created At least it's related to JW Luka and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 12 hours ago, Jay said: Yes. That's literally what the video in the main post of this thread you're in shows. Well, theoretically it could have been JW practicing with the orchestra at the recording sessions of TFA. We know the final version was conducted by Dudamel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Nothing is better than Star Wars Main Theme to warm an orchestra in a recording session... for a Star Wars score! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Josh500 said: Well, theoretically it could have been JW practicing with the orchestra at the recording sessions of TFA. Well that's obviously not the case, considering Rian Johnson didn't attend The Force Awakens recording sessions, and the film itself is timestamped December 2016. To echo someone else's thoughts, I've only seen the film once but I swear the film version was close but not identical to TFA's recording. The album is a different story though, obviously the same recording lifted wholesale. The really sad thing is the strings are more defined in this tinny phone recording than in TFA's high definition mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Here's to hoping we'll get the COMPLETE The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi in the next few years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Well that's obviously not the case, considering Rian Johnson didn't attend The Force Awakens recording sessions, and the film itself is timestamped December 2016. To echo someone else's thoughts, I've only seen the film once but I swear the film version was close but not identical to TFA's recording. The album is a different story though, obviously the same recording lifted wholesale. The really sad thing is the strings are more defined in this tinny phone recording than in TFA's high definition mix. Anyway, the LSO Main Title recordings are the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Anyway, the LSO Main Title recordings are the best. I initially thought so too. But the one thing that irks me slightly about the LSO recording is that you can't really hear the fanfare-y trumpet accompaniment. That's really a bummer. In this regard, the TFA recording is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Which fanfare-y trumpet is lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Different recording, but I'm talking about the one that plays in this video at 0:59 - 1:06. I've always absolutely loved this. In the prequels LSO recording, this is barely audible. In the TFA (and TLJ) recording, it's softer, but still audible. At 0:59-1:05. However in the prequels recordings it's all but lost. It should start at 0:58 but we barely hear it. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 It's definitely there in the prequel one, too, you just have to listen for it, you wouldn't notice it otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Holko said: It's definitely there in the prequel one, too, you just have to listen for it, you wouldn't notice it otherwise. I didn't say it's not there. Of course it's there. It's just mixed so softly, you can barely hear it! Which sucks. But apart from that, the LSO prequels recording is top-notch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Good point, but to me it has a sufficient presence in the ROTJ Main Title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: Good point, but to me it has a sufficient presence in the ROTJ Main Title. The original trilogy is not the problem. These recordings are perfectly fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Well, I just checked and it seems to be a problem with ANH and TESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 493 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Since Gustavo Dudamel was the credited conductor of the TFA Main Title, and they reused it for TLJ, shouldn’t he have been credited again in TLJ’s booklet and the end credits? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Damn, I had hoped the video would capture something else than the umpteenth recording of the main title. Even if I'm not too fond of the score, I would have loved to see him conduct one of the more narrative pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Matt S. said: Since Gustavo Dudamel was the credited conductor of the TFA Main Title, and they reused it for TLJ, shouldn’t he have been credited again in TLJ’s booklet and the end credits? Not if he doesn't want credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't think Dudamel get royalities for it, he only particpated because JW asked him, it was a kind of "gift". But, I agree, for the posterity, he should have been mentioned in the booklet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 When the expanded soundtracks come out in 15 years with the correct recording of the TLJ Main Title there won't be any need to mention him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Well that's obviously not the case, considering Rian Johnson didn't attend The Force Awakens recording sessions, and the film itself is timestamped December 2016. To echo someone else's thoughts, I've only seen the film once but I swear the film version was close but not identical to TFA's recording. The album is a different story though, obviously the same recording lifted wholesale. The really sad thing is the strings are more defined in this tinny phone recording than in TFA's high definition mix. 2 Same here. I also believe the TLJ film version is the TFA recording but perhaps mixed differently since it has a "punchier" sound in TLJ. I guess we'll be able to end this speculation once the Blu-ray is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 It's not a speculation, we've (and I personally) superposed and compared the two WAV from the OSTs. It's defintely the same recording. In the movie I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Thor said: Damn, I had hoped the video would capture something else than the umpteenth recording of the main title. Even if I'm not too fond of the score, I would have loved to see him conduct one of the more narrative pieces. That was my first thought too! Hopefully in the extras of the DVD and Bluray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bespin said: It's not a speculation, we've (and I personally) superposed and compared the two WAV from the OSTs. It's defintely the same recording. In the movie I don't know. Right, I was referring to the film version, not the OST. The film version sounds the same as the OST to my ears but punchier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Logistically, it's better to use a previously recorded Main Theme take, as the timing of each opening crawl will be exactly the same length. JW is first, probably sick of recording it (I mean really recording a totally "perfect" version from the beginning to the end). Secondly, it's one thing less to think about when you edit the visual of the opening crawl. I don't know why the movie version would not be the Dudamel's one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Josh500 said: Different recording, but I'm talking about the one that plays in this video at 0:59 - 1:06. I've always absolutely loved this. In the prequels LSO recording, this is barely audible. In the TFA (and TLJ) recording, it's softer, but still audible. At 0:59-1:05. However in the prequels recordings it's all but lost. It should start at 0:58 but we barely hear it. Another bit of difference in the new recording that I was surprised to notice only recently (I didn't when TFA came out) is the two bars at roughly 0:43 - In the LSO recordings (especially the prequels one) the most prominent thing by far is the same-note "dum dadadadaah" in the trombones, where in the new one, this is barely audible, while instead a short repeated-chord-triplet horn figure is very in-your-face here... would be interesting to know if this is just due to different mikeing setup, Dudamels interpretation, or a deliberate changed detail by Williams... Luka and James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter.anschutz 43 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/25/2018 at 1:29 PM, ChrisAfonso said: Another bit of difference in the new recording that I was surprised to notice only recently (I didn't when TFA came out) is the two bars at roughly 0:43 - In the LSO recordings (especially the prequels one) the most prominent thing by far is the same-note "dum dadadadaah" in the trombones, where in the new one, this is barely audible, while instead a short repeated-chord-triplet horn figure is very in-your-face here... would be interesting to know if this is just due to different mikeing setup, Dudamels interpretation, or a deliberate changed detail by Williams... The same can be said about the Empire version. The horns are even more prominent in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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