Josh500 1,615 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 This is all rather self-evident, but still... One cannot help but be impressed! Watch this scene from Jurassic Park without music! That's what John Williams initially saw, before he came up with and wrote the masterpiece known as Journey to the Island. I literally think the excitement, the joy, the impact comes from the music 75%!! Wow what a genius! By the way, this youtube channel here offers tons of great and interesting material regarding film and TV scores! Pieter Boelen and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 No doubt some edgy fuck will be along shortly to say they think it works just as well or better without it. Joni Wiljami and crlbrg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 There are bits here that are kinda intriguing, as if it were a Werner Herzog movie, but then all the camera movements and 'reveal' shots are construed in such a musical way, that it really only works with the music. Always fun as an experiment, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 While it needs the music, i stand by my old argument that Williams really went overboard with the first third of the sequence. Joni Wiljami and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 This scene especially (I'm sure not all scenes) works so well with the music. Without the music, it's rather boring, except the 10 seconds or so we actually get to see the dinos. That's somewhat impressive even without the music, yes. With the music, this seems like the adventure of a lifetime and also the greatest moment of your entire fucking life when you see those dinos... 5 minutes ago, publicist said: While it needs the music, i stand by my old argument that Williams really went overboard with the first third of the sequence. I don't agree. If this is going overboard, then JW always goes overboard! That's his style. Jurassic Shark and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, Quintus said: No doubt some edgy fuck will be along shortly to say they think it works just as well or better without it. Without the music, it's so much more realistic and mysterious! You don't know how the characters are really feeling, and you feel like you're there with them. With the John Williams music, you feel like you're watching a movie! Who watches a movie to feel like they're watching a movie? Pieter Boelen and Oomoog the Ecstatic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Josh500 1,615 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Nick Parker said: Without the music, it's so much more realistic and mysterious! You don't know how the characters are really feeling, and you feel like you're there with them. With the John Williams music, you feel like you're watching a movie! Who watches a movie to feel like they're watching a movie? Well hello, edgy fuck! Jurassic Shark, Oomoog the Ecstatic and Bayesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Josh500 said: If this is going overboard, then JW always goes overboard! That's his style. Nah, he's usually more in synch. This is more like the first Potter, another often obnoxious work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 Here's the same scene with score, the first video without dialogue. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,052 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 This early in the movie it's 100% about adventure, so I find the Journey to the Island very fitting in a dramatic sense. Oomoog the Ecstatic and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: This early in the movie it's 100% about adventure, so I find the Journey to the Island very fitting in a dramatic sense. Well, the whole movie is about adventure, but I agree. The music complements the movie to a perfection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,490 Posted January 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: This early in the movie it's 100% about adventure, so I find the Journey to the Island very fitting in a dramatic sense. 'Fitting' is putting it mildly. This particular sequence is one of the greatest friggin' film and music masterpieces in the history of cinema! Holko, Pieter Boelen, Bayesian and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,052 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Thor said: 'Fitting' is putting it mildly. This particular sequence is one of the greatest friggin' film and music masterepieces in the history of cinema! I completely agree. That's why I wrote very fitting. 11 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Well, the whole movie is about adventure, but I agree. The music complements the movie to a perfection! My point being that after a while when everything goes to hell the film gets darker and we get more thriller elements, but in the beginning it's pure, uncomplicated adventure. What did Pub want? Jaws with dinosaurs? Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Jeez, JW fanboys gushing *againagainagain* over fucking Jurassic Park. Can it get more pedestrian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, publicist said: Jeez, JW fanboys gushing *againagainagain* over fucking Jurassic Park. Can it get more pedestrian? How long before hornist hoists a few and arrives to point out that it's JWFan, after all, I wonder.... Shit, I didn't mean to post in a Josh500 thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,825 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 hours ago, publicist said: Nah, he's usually more in synch. This is more like the first Potter, another often obnoxious work. Pretty daring of you to say such things in a jwfan forum! I admire you! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,052 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 44 minutes ago, publicist said: Jeez, JW fanboys gushing *againagainagain* over fucking Jurassic Park. Can it get more pedestrian? ...he says, after watching Fellini's 8 1/2 for the nth time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Without music, the initial sequence feels so fast and unimportant. And all that motor noise?! Four minutes listening to this incessantly it is the case of the film lose both Oscars that they received for the sound quality! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 5 hours ago, publicist said: While it needs the music, i stand by my old argument that Williams really went overboard with the first third of the sequence. I’m on board with that. I’m not a huge fan of the lighthearted adventure tone of the film in general. (Though clearly Williams delivered exactly what Spielberg wanted.) I also think the whole helicopter descent sequence is poorly conceived on Spielberg’s part. The weird onboard turbulence shots and Grant fumbling for his seat belt seem left over from another draft of the script where it was a truly harrowing action sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Josh500 said: If this is going overboard, then JW always goes overboard! That's his style. Williams actually rather often overscores. But that's the exact reason why you get him. His music is much too elaborate for most movies. Spielberg is one of the few directors who can create visuals to hold up Williams dense orchestratal sound. That's not to say JW can't do the opposite, but in full adventure mode his music is just golden age goodness. 10 hours ago, Thor said: There are bits here that are kinda intriguing, as if it were a Werner Herzog movie, but then all the camera movements and 'reveal' shots are construed in such a musical way, that it really only works with the music. Always fun as an experiment, though. The sequence COULD work without music but it would have to blocked and edited and staged in a completely different manner. It was interesting to watch the scene without music because as currently shot, the scene doesn't work without music. Which shows Spielberg always intended it to be scored. So the scene is shot in a way to support the score. Like the shot of Sam O Niel sitting on the ground doesn't work at all without the music, but with the music it allows for the music to build up for the final reveal of the Jurassic Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,516 Posted January 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2018 5 hours ago, aviazn said: Grant fumbling for his seat belt seem left over from another draft of the script where it was a truly harrowing action sequence. Actually, that's a clever bit of foreshadowing. Everyone connects their seatbelts properly, male and female connectors, but Grant has two female ones, and he still makes it work. Life finds a way. James, Bayesian, Smeltington and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Spielberg really gave Williams allowance to write music by developing his script so subtly, instead of bombastically, to where Williams practically made these scenes what they are. In the end, Spielberg's key moments were executed perfectly because of the music. Spielberg really knows the phrase "less is more." These scenes are the same way Star Wars was made. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: It was interesting to watch the scene without music because as currently shot, the scene doesn't work without music. Which shows Spielberg always intended it to be scored. So the scene is shot in a way to support the score. Like the shot of Sam O Niel sitting on the ground doesn't work at all without the music, but with the music it allows for the music to build up for the final reveal of the Jurassic Park. Exactly! That's what I tried to say. 11 hours ago, publicist said: Jeez, JW fanboys gushing *againagainagain* over fucking Jurassic Park. Can it get more pedestrian? Ha, ha...the Publicist Cynicism(TM) is one of those truisms we need in order for the world to make sense. If there is one work in the history of film that I would shower ALL my superlatives at, it's JURASSIC PARK. It really can't get enough. Jurassic Shark and Falstaft 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Jurassic Park is a seminal moment in movie music fandom for a lot of people. Of course this has always irked pub no end, just because. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I found it more suspenseful, more accurate to the desolation and mystery of the island, not to mention more realistic and relatable without all that loud and annoying classical music in the background. I mean who hears that when they're in such a remote location? James and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 He, he...did you just "remake" the old LIFEBOAT story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,052 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 It was surely playing over the helicopter's hi-fi system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Quintus said: Jurassic Park is a seminal moment in movie music fandom for a lot of people. Of course this has always irked pub no end, just because. It is, in a nutshell, all what i find wrong with film music fans at large. Dickless conventional always wins. But i concede that to bring this up in the Williams subforum was in bad (and futile) taste and i leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Oh pub! You always find a way to let yourself down mid post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Did you know that George Lucas originally intended for the Throne Room scene to be without music? It has a completely different vibe until Williams changed it. For better or worse? You decide! Jurassic Shark and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Yeah, I've often used that Throne Room clip for humourous effect in lectures about film music. 1 hour ago, publicist said: It is, in a nutshell, all what i find wrong with film music fans at large. Dickless conventional always wins. "Dickless conventional"... Someone please upload a clip of that sequence, re-scored with Penderecki or Stockhausen! Jurassic Shark and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,052 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Life finds a way... Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 The Genius of Special Effects (Jurassic Park without dinosaurs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Is there a thread for posting scenes with different hand-select music? I want to get creative! mostly for fun experimentation... I've already had too much fun with the photo thread... time to change things up. Cerebral Cortex and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 If not, you should definitely create one. That'd be fun. I've wanted to do something similar on occasion but always never seem to get around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 22 hours ago, Holko said: Actually, that's a clever bit of foreshadowing. Everyone connects their seatbelts properly, male and female connectors, but Grant has two female ones, and he still makes it work. Life finds a way. True, it is, I'd forgotten that! But I still can't get over the mismatch between the interior shots with all the fake turbulence and the exterior shots of the helicopter, which show a very gentle, controlled descent. Always thought it was cheesy, even when I was a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,052 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, aviazn said: True, it is, I'd forgotten that! But I still can't get over the mismatch between the interior shots with all the fake turbulence and the exterior shots of the helicopter, which show a very gentle, controlled descent. Always thought it was cheesy, even when I was a kid. I've always thought that when they got to the descent, after the interior shots, the turbulence was passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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