publicist 4,643 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Breaking a lance for Denise here, the old Columbia album of ST TMP is a hell of a good release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Maybe there should be a new thread: Original albums vs Expanded editions and move all the posts there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 There are like 5 million threads by this name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, publicist said: Breaking a lance for Denise here, the old Columbia album of ST TMP is a hell of a good release. It sure is. I still listen to that from time to time. I love the expanded version(s), too, and wouldn't want to give up any of the additional music; but sometimes, that OST scratches the itch just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I hope that MV takes a lot of joy in posting one-to-two-sentence Facebook posts about John Williams with zero new information and seeing JWFan explode in a flurry of speculation. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 He probably reads these threads in his spare time and then laughs at our speculations and the effort we put into figuring this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Or he doesn't care at all about JWFan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 He's right! Let's boycott! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I guess @Thor is way ahead of us, considering their focus on expanded soundtracks in recent years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 HAN: When has Mike Matessino ever let us down? TASU LEECH: Si diga dama turo. HAN: *pauses* What was the second time? But seriously folks... crumbs, bollemanneke and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Around the OSTs a perimeter create! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 When you borrow your friend's CD: "She won't get a scratch." Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I just got a funny feeling. Like I'm not gonna see the liner notes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 OST albums are similar to entry level electronics. They offer you a hint of what you could get with a more complete device. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just found a way to totally forget about upcoming JW expansions, listening to LLL's Titanic! It's all good now. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Is it waterproof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Tasteproof, obviously. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Just found a way to totally forget about upcoming JW expansions, listening to LLL's Titanic! It's all good now. Indeed. John who? The old guy from Jurassic Park? We are indebted to this Horner fellow. We will watch his career with great interest! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Williams? Who is he? Is he a passenger? Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 hours ago, phbart said: OST albums are similar to entry level electronics. They offer you a hint of what you could get with a more complete device. And if the OST has superior sound quality to the expanded? As they often do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 LLL Titanic sounds better than the OST. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: And if the OST has superior sound quality to the expanded? As they often do... I can't really think of many examples where that's the case filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I can. Dynamic range is usually superior in album versions. The SW OT OSTs sound better than the reissues. Jaws 2 is just louder. Concord's Indys 1 and 2 are a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, King Mark said: I can't really think of many examples where that's the case Many OSTs have superior dynamic range to their more recent expanded counterparts, which have been applied some gain in quieter moments, and mastered brighter and louder so people can hear it better while they're commuting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 On 13/02/2018 at 2:03 PM, Philippe Roaché said: I just got a funny feeling. Like I'm not gonna see the liner notes again. Nice follow-up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said: The SW OT OSTs sound better than the reissues. Concord's Indys 1 and 2 are a mess. We don't talk about those pieces of shite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Denise Bryson said: Many OSTs have superior dynamic range to their more recent expanded counterparts, which have been applied some gain in quieter moments, and mastered brighter and louder so people can hear it better while they're commuting. Mike M doesn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Edit 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Regarding the thread title: if one lives in the UK, LLL isn't wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 Didn't follow... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 14 February 2018 at 3:06 AM, Denise Bryson said: Many OSTs have superior dynamic range to their more recent expanded counterparts, which have been applied some gain in quieter moments, and mastered brighter and louder so people can hear it better while they're commuting. Indeed. Especially if the mastering engineer is one Erick Labson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Are we talking about "loudness wars"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 I really don't see who specialty label expanded releases can fit the "loudness war" category. Some releases MAY have a little dynamic range compression here and there, but nothing you can detect just by listening. Every tool in audio mixing softwares, if applied carefuly and wisely, including dynamic range compression, can only bring benefits. If a new expanded release sounds "louder" that the OST album from 20, 30 years ago, doesn't mean it sounds worse. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Have you ever listened to Varése's 'Peggy Sue Got Married'? Because it's a fucking epitome of 'loudness war'. And releases like 'Predator 2' and 'Starship Troopers', while not nearly as bad, are also mastered rather 'hot'. Many of the new releases, while acceptable for modern listening standards, do not really sound as good as marketing leds you to believe. A friend of mine is in producing/mastering and he pointed me to several Intrada and Varése releases where he corrected the sound with a few simple software tricks and they sounded all much more natural afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Why do the labels persist in these shoddy mastering jobs? It's not pop music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Maybe they think the product will be easier to sell without all that annoying dynamics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Well they're fucking ruining it for audiophiles who want dynamic sound! Jurassic Shark and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I'm not particularly audiophilic when it comes to the majority of scores because the recording/mastering doesn't lend itself at all to that sort of thing. So many Williams recordings, for instance, sound downright shoddy. Now, Horner scores are a completely different matter. Even if it wasn't a particularly good score, you were usually guaranteed exceptional dynamic range. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 36 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: Well they're fucking ruining it for audiophiles who want dynamic sound! I attended a performance of Holst's The Planets on Thursday, with up-and-coming conductor Krzysztof Urbanski. That's one of the great works which are so much better experienced live because of its huge dynamic range and monumental build-ups. Oh, and they played a suite of SW music from the OT. You might say it was a missed opportunity not to include anything from the newer films, but the OT has the best music anyway. No new arrangement of Han Solo and the Princess, unfortunately (nor the original arrangement). They could also have included the final battle music of ANH. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 The most recent release of Jaws received so much praise for the audio. While it sounded better than previous releases, it still sounded like shit to me and I didn't hear anything resembling dynamic range. I prefer the sound of Horner and Goldsmith scores. Williams and his engineers ruin some great performances of iconic scores with bad recording and mastering. There are exceptions to the rule. TLW and E.T. sound great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Jaws never really sounded all that good anyway. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Ted Keep was the engineer, on JAWS. He did THE TOWERING INFERNO, which was another case of "great score/awful sound". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Not much of a keeper, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 It's probably more to do with how they were archived. You've heard WAKING UP, haven't you? Terrible. My equal second-favourite track sounds like several sacks of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 At least we have all those 80s and especially the 90s Horner scores. They sound amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 BRAINSTORM still sounds fantastic! It's staggering to think that it's recorded direct to two-track. Fresh as a daisy, deep, and open. I salivate at the thought at what 2018 remastering could do for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Richard said: BRAINSTORM still sounds fantastic! It's staggering to think that it's recorded direct to two-track. Fresh as a daisy, deep, and open. I salivate at the thought at what 2018 remastering could do for it. They'll just listen to it and go "way too dynamic, millennial listeners will hate it, make it brighter and louder so they can hear it on the train". 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Horner cared about the presentation of his music. Being younger than Williams, he was probably more adept with contemporary recording technology. I remember he talked shit about the Abbey Road Studios in the Aliens documentary and basically called the engineer (who had worked on SW) incompetent. You can't argue with his results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Yet Goldsmith loved SACD and he was older than Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Philippe Roaché said: Horner cared about the presentation of his music. Being younger than Williams, he was probably more adept with contemporary recording technology. I remember he talked shit about the Abbey Road Studios in the Aliens documentary and basically called the engineer (who had worked on SW) incompetent. You can't argue with his results. I've seen that documentary, too. Horner was an arrogant little shit, back then. Apparently, not much changed. The engineer on ALIENS was Eric Tomlinson, and he did a bang-up job, on that score. I'd rather have his lovely, dry sound, than Murphy's homogeneous, wet fish crap. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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