JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Well Stu you could say E.T. is better because it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 And I would....it's my favorite film score and one of my favorite pieces of music of any genre/format. BUT. The Cowboys is just as worthy of attention for dedicated fans of Williams' work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Sure, but there really are lots of genuinely great Williams scores outside of his popular franchise scores that get most of the attention. That was my point. The Cowboys is absolutely as worthy of attention as scores like ET or Raiders (notice I didn't say "as good as" or "better than", just "as worthy of attention") But is A really just as worthy of attention as B, if A isn't as good as B? phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: But is A really just as worthy of attention as B, if A isn't as good as B? Yes. No doubt in my mind whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Search your feelings. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 This is reality. Not some hypothetical universe, "desert island" or "if you could only listen to one of these." The real world where you can listen to hours upon hours of music. In the real world, for a fan of Williams' work, The Cowboys is as worthy of their attention as Williams' most popular works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 It's indeed a good work, but from a critical point of view, as presented on the OST the score is not among JW's best, in my opinion. However, he did a great job distilling it into the expanded concert overture, which to me is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I'm not sure if I'd consider it among his best or not. It depends on how wide I want to make that distinction, haha. I could include a LOT of scores in such a category. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 Ok. The Cowboys music is great and it's wonderful to have a proper and complete release of it, but calling it "one for the books" is definitely overreacting, as the movie (which barely made its money back) and music are far from being a masterpiece. I remember this was called "the best pre-SW" music by JW. Seriously? Jaws, anyone? Again, Cowboy is great, but it's not all that. Sorry. ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 And AGAIN MV from La-La Land declared 2018 to be one for the books in terms of THEIR JW releases The Cowboys was released by Varese Sarabande. MV might not have even know it was coming at all when he said that, and even if he did, it would be irrelevant to his statement, which was as statement about what HIS label was up to Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 His statement does make me wonder if they're releasing the scores to a series of films, and then there's not much to choose from... unless they're releasing Home Alone 1 & 2 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Jay said: And AGAIN MV from La-La Land declared 2018 to be one for the books in terms of THEIR JW releases The Cowboys was released by Varese Sarabande. MV might not have even know it was coming at all when he said that, and even if he did, it would be irrelevant to his statement, which was as statement about what HIS label was up to That's why I said I doubt they'll surpass the E.T. and CE3K feat from last year. That kind of thing is what I call "one for the books". But I hope in the next couple of months someone quote this post of mine saying "See? You were dead wrong, stupid bitch!" 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Whatever LLL has up their sleeves for 2018, I'm stoked! For the first time in years I actually have disposable income to spend (thanks to my new job) so I'll be ordering whatever they dish up pronto. What is it, like 4 and a half months until Black Friday? 😀 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Yep! 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,585 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Potential LLL Williams definitive releases that would qualify to make this year "one for the books": Dracula (if decent tapes for the complete score can be found) Witches of Eastwick (MV said they wanted to do this long ago but Perseverance got the album rights tied up for a while which delayed) JFK (very curious to hear everything recorded for this) any of the Harry Potter scores complete, obviously....especially Prisoner of Azkaban maybe The River, if there's any significant unreleased music? Sadly the scores for The Rare Breed, Story of a Woman, and Sugarland Express will not be released until John Williams himself softens on the idea. I'd be excited for any of those, especially the first two. Jane Eyre complete tapes are lost and The Reivers has some sort of complicated rights issues according to MV, though LLL has cleared those up in the past on things that were described as "unlikely" such as Twister. One I do NOT care about (but LLL supposedly has in their sights) is The Towering Inferno (might be my least favorite Williams score I own) but I know some people want a new issue of it. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny 36 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 “The Reivers, published in 1962, is the last novel by the American author William Faulkner. The bestselling novel was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in 1963.” “One for the books?” I can dream can’t I? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I have a feeling that at least two releases will be from the Maestro’s collaboration with Steven Spielberg. Granted, it’s a guess, but it is possible. Another possibility is a remastered, slightly expanded with additional unreleased material (if any) definitive release of the Maestro’s score to Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: I have a feeling that at least two releases will be from the Maestro’s collaboration with Steven Spielberg. Blessed be the fruit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Under his eye! phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: I have a feeling that at least two releases will be from the Maestro’s collaboration with Steven Spielberg. It's settled then. 2 minutes ago, phbart said: Blessed be the fruit! Blessed are the cheesemakers! 9 minutes ago, Jonny said: “The Reivers, published in 1962, is the last novel by the American author William Faulkner. The bestselling novel was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in 1963.” “One for the books?” I can dream can’t I? No, not on JWFan. This is where dreams come to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny 36 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: No, not on JWFan. This is where dreams come to die. Nolite te bastardes carborundorum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 It'd be one for the books if no releases whatsoever happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 Spotify is already listing Indy copyright as "2008-2018 Lucasfilm" with no mention to Concord. Have the rights expired? Could it be those for the books? Holko and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Good catch, @phbart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Probably just an oversight. Indy will just revert to Disney Records anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Balahkay 627 Posted July 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2018 My guess is still HP 1-3. Arpy, TSMefford, 1977 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Oh yeah. There's another Indy movie and score still to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Nah, it's another infinitesimally improved release of HA 1 & 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, crumbs said: Probably just an oversight. Indy will just revert to Disney Records anyway. The "old" releases, copyrighted "2008 Lucasfilm under exclusive to Concord Music Group", are still there as well. The funny thing is that KoTCS has 5 albums listed on Spotify, all the exact same content of course, but 4 of them copyrighted the same way, and only one to "2018 Lucasfilm". The "old" 2016 SW and remastered 2018 are both listed as well, both to just Lucasfilm too. Could it be that Disney doesn't control the rights of digital releases? 5 minutes ago, Jerry said: Oh yeah. There's another Indy movie and score still to come. Not until 2021, I'm afraid. https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment/news/international-news/article/indiana-jones-5-movie-release-date-postponed-to-2021/252873 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 We should rejoice if it gets made this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 The delay was inevitable once they announced Jon Kasdan was rewriting a few weeks back. They should've just announced the two things at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 That 2008-2018 information sounds promising. 33 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Nah, it's another infinitesimally improved release of HA 1 & 2. That joke is being made twice a day. Stop it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: That 2008-2018 information sounds promising. That joke is being made twice a day. Stop it! That's because it's two scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I'm starting to suspect it's 2019 which is gonna be one for the book, seeing how LLL are having problems getting their CDs manufactured on time. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I'm starting to suspect it's 3019. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/13/2018 at 12:53 PM, Jurassic Shark said: We should rejoice if it gets made this century. No, they should have stopped after The Last Crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I'll happily be proven wrong but I somehow doubt Williams will have much interest writing a new Indiana Jones score when he's 89. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Well I guess we're going to find out what a Gia Indy score sounds like. In all seriousness, I think he would do better with Indy than SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I want so badly to hear a Powell Indy score, but that's almost as unlikely as me getting a girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Get Joe Kraemer to do it instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 10 hours ago, crumbs said: I'll happily be proven wrong but I somehow doubt Williams will have much interest writing a new Indiana Jones score when he's 89. Who knows. Perhaps he'll surprise us once again with his most youthful and energetic score in 50 years. 7 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: almost as unlikely as me getting a girlfriend. 7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Get Joe Kraemer to do it instead. I'm not sure that's a reasonable substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 7 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: I want so badly to hear a Powell Indy score, but that's almost as unlikely as me getting a girlfriend. Why so? It's increasingly clear that Kennedy and Spielberg have been "screen testing" composers over the last few years in Gia/Powell/Silvestri/Newman, all of whom would've had Williams' stamp of approval (plus Desplat, but we know what happened there). If I had to guess, I'd say Powell's effort on Solo has garnered the most positive feedback internally amongst Williams' camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: I'm not sure that's a reasonable substitute. If you read the posts above mine, you'd realize I suggested Kraemer instead of Giacchino and Powell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Today's not what he was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Demodex said: Today's not what he was talking about. What about tomorrow? 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 God damn phone. I meant that's not what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Why so? It's increasingly clear that Kennedy and Spielberg have been "screen testing" composers over the last few years in Gia/Powell/Silvestri/Newman, all of whom would've had Williams' stamp of approval (plus Desplat, but we know what happened there). If I had to guess, I'd say Powell's effort on Solo has garnered the most positive feedback internally amongst Williams' camp. Don't you dare give me hope, you cad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: If you read the posts above mine, you'd realize I suggested Kraemer instead of Giacchino and Powell. If you read my other posts from the past 15+ years, you'd realise I rarely waste an opportunity for a dumb joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: If you read my other posts from the past 15+ years, you'd realise I rarely waste an opportunity for a dumb joke. You used to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You used to be better. Nah.Just the law of large numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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