"2018 is gonna be one for the books", says LLL regarding JW

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

How about the analog equipment that would make it worth while to record in that resolution? Studio microphones alone cost thousands.

[Jay 37,287]

Well yes of course, I completely agree, and that's precisely what I meant.  I guess it's a matter of semantics, we're both saying the same thing.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

No, i'm correcting your flawed reasoning!

[Amer 2,080]

12 hours ago, crumbs said:

A Potter trilogy set doesn't fit into this slate.

 

Keeping in mind that Superman and Schindler's List are probably in that mix. 

 

Of course, I'm assuming a "title" means a single film. I don't think a trilogy of scores would be referred to as a single title. 

 

 

Superman 4k blu ray is coming out in Week 1 of November. I suspect the LLL Superman set is ready to fly as a 3cd set. 

[crumbs 14,301]

Superman needs 3 discs? That they put the source music for the 1st movie in the 2nd/3rd movie set implies otherwise; they wouldn't have made that sequencing choice if the first score had 3 discs of room. 

[Amer 2,080]

6 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Superman needs 3 discs? That they put the source music for the 1st movie in the 2nd/3rd movie set implies otherwise; they wouldn't have made that sequencing choice if the first score had 3 discs of room. 

Yes. If they decided to include the OST cd on disc 3. I'd like that. It would be nice if the OST album master got remastered. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I agree.

[Jurassic Shark 12,030]

Ditto.

[publicist 4,643]

To have that hopefully - finally? - out of the way.

[crumbs 14,301]

I'm not familiar with the score. Is the OST important for some reason? Was it a complete re-recording and separate from the film sessions?

[Jurassic Shark 12,030]

No, but it was a good representation of the score, unfortunately in muddy and distorted sound.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

20 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

Yeah, and he never says something like "Harry Potter by La-La Land would be sooo cool!" He knows it's happening. In his recent posts he just elucidates technical details about the sources, the licenses, etc. Moreover he always ignores suspecting posts like this.

MV said he was working on Potter years ago. It’s a matter of when, not if. So yes, Harry Potter scores will be released by La La Land at some point in the future. 

[Brundlefly 2,385]

1 minute ago, Koray Savas said:

MV said he was working on Potter years ago. It’s a matter of when, not if. So yes, Harry Potter scores will be released by La La Land at some point in the future. 

So, why are we all discussing the 'if', although it's already confirmed?

[bollemanneke 3,337]

But was it confirmed? I thought he WANTED to do/try HP1 a few years ago and failed and that was the end of it.

[crumbs 14,301]

1 hour ago, Koray Savas said:

MV said he was working on Potter years ago. It’s a matter of when, not if. So yes, Harry Potter scores will be released by La La Land at some point in the future.  

 

He said it was 'so close he could taste it.' That was 5 years ago.

[Jurassic Shark 12,030]

I guess he just ate it all.

[Amer 2,080]

3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

No, but it was a good representation of the score, unfortunately in muddy and distorted sound.

Remember the US cd release had two cues omitted and only the Japanese Warner release contained the full album presentation. I obtained a copy some years ago. I still play it. And on a personal note the OST was the doorway for me to soundtrackdom and John Williams way back in 1980.

[Jurassic Shark 12,030]

17 minutes ago, Amer said:

Remember the US cd release had two cues omitted and only the Japanese Warner release contained the full album presentation. I obtained a copy some years ago. I still play it. And on a personal note the OST was the doorway for me to soundtrackdom and John Williams way back in 1980.

 

The Japanese version is still available, but the sound quality is just as bad as the US release.

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

No, but it was a good representation of the score, unfortunately in muddy and distorted sound.

 

Is there any difference between the individual OST and score *tracks* though? And if so, is it significant? I don't remember any editing at least, though it's been years since I listened to the OST. But if it's just a matter of creating a playlist, I don'T see the need for an extra disc.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

The Superman OST sounds pretty good!

[Jurassic Shark 12,030]

14 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Is there any difference between the individual OST and score *tracks* though? And if so, is it significant? I don't remember any editing at least, though it's been years since I listened to the OST. But if it's just a matter of creating a playlist, I don'T see the need for an extra disc.

 

Yes, there are edits in the OST.

[crumbs 14,301]

I've never understood the point of including OST presentations on expanded/complete releases, if said OST only comprised film score cues. Sure, it makes sense for OSTs like E.T. where much of the material was recorded specifically for the OST, but would I want any of the Harry Potter OSTs included in that expanded set? Or the A.I. OST on that expansion? Or the Jurassic Park or Lost World OSTs on those releases?

 

Including the OST for the sake of including the OST doesn't make much sense to me, unless there was something substantially wrong with the OST in the first place (either availability or audio quality).

[Jay 37,287]

The Superman OST double LP from 1978 is made up entirely of film cues, and it would be all the same takes since they would have used the same process as Star Wars and CE3K back then where the first gen tapes were literally cut to make the selected take assemblies.

 

But isn't there something different about one of the Krypton cues that isn't heard on the Rhino or FSM editions? I don't remember now.

 

Also the OST is the whole reason we have the Theme From Superman "concert arrangement". I put "concert arrangement" in quotes because it only became one after the fact. For the OST they just combined the opening of the early unused prologue cue with end credits cue (which had replaced the intended main title cue  in the film) and called it "Theme from Superman" instead of something like "Prologue and Main Title". And a concert staple was born.

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Also the OST is the whole reason we have the Theme From Superman "concert arrangement". I put "concert arrangement" in quotes because it only became one after the fact. For the OST they just combined the opening of the early unused prologue cue with main title cue and called it "Theme from Superman" instead of something like "Prologue and Main Title". And a concert staple was born.

 

Oh certainly, but individual tracks like these are perfect as alternates at the end of the programme. No need to replicate the entire album for that.

[crumbs 14,301]

I still cringe reading about how first generation masters were literally cut back in the day. It's amazing we didn't have more situations like we did with the Star Wars sessions, where the 16-track first generation film takes ended up in the hands of a private owner, because they'd been separated from the rest of the session masters.

[Jay 37,287]

I honestly have no problem with catalog releases replicating the OST album, especially when it doesn't increase the price.

 

I'm super glad to have the OSTs of Jaws 2, ET, Poltergeist, Total Recall, Basic Instinct, etc in their expansions.

[Jurassic Shark 12,030]

5 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Oh certainly, but individual tracks like these are perfect as alternates at the end of the programme. No need to replicate the entire album for that.

 

There's something called listening experience. Just ask @Thor.  Consider it an extended suite of highlights.

[crumbs 14,301]

10 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Oh certainly, but individual tracks like these are perfect as alternates at the end of the programme. No need to replicate the entire album for that.

 

Exactly. I can understand including the OST if there's available space for it that would otherwise go unused. Let's say a score is hypothetically 85 minutes, meaning they need two discs anyway, and there's 75 minutes of available room on disc 2. No harm in bundling in the OST then (Jaws being a perfect example, with the full score + source music 81 minutes long).

 

But if they have to add an extra disc just to include the OST presentation (which means additional manufacturing + shipping costs), and said OST includes zero material not already contained on earlier discs, it doesn't make sense to me. Just put whatever exclusive material is on the OST at the end of disc 2.

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

I honestly have no problem with catalog releases replicating the OST album, especially when it doesn't increase the price.

 

I'm super glad to have the OSTs of Jaws 2, ET, Poltergeist, Total Recall, Basic Instinct, etc in their expansions.

 

ET, definitely, because a lot of it is of course a totally different recording. And there are instances where I prefer the OST (The Fury, Damien, Capricorn One are perfect examples). But if it's just the same tracks a second time, I don't see the point. If you've got enough space left, put them on, but adding an extra disc, even if they don't increase the price, just seems like a waste of material. Of course, there might be contractual requirements, but that's a different story.

 

One release that *should* have included the album is JP, but I have the previous editions as well, so I'm not personally bothered by it.

 

1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said:

There's something called listening experience. Just ask @Thor.  Consider it an extended suite of highlights.

 

And I can accept that, even if I only sometimes agree with it. But considering how few people still play CDs on an actual CD player, I don't see the need to duplicate exact tracks if you can already create them as a playlist from the full score.

[Jurassic Shark 12,030]

53 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

And I can accept that, even if I only sometimes agree with it. But considering how few people still play CDs on an actual CD player, I don't see the need to duplicate exact tracks if you can already create them as a playlist from the full score.

 

JW's OST vary rarely, if ever, duplicates all its tracks exactly as they were in the complete score.

[publicist 4,643]

6 hours ago, crumbs said:

I've never understood the point of including OST presentations on expanded/complete releases, if said OST only comprised film score cues.

 

I think the recent *batteries not included had the exact same program repeated on disc 2...with the spillover from the first disc you got a third of the same pieces on the very same disc. I don't really care, i never listen these cds again but i mean...

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

Is it okay to admit that I switched back to Jurassic's OST awhile ago and other than the T-rex chase music, I don't miss anything from the complete score? I can't remember why I wanted it that much in the first place! What, the mosquito music? Dude, it's just choir. Plenty of other Williams scores that have choir, go play them!

Even more amusing is that I was happy with Lost World's OST all this time, and it was that complete score that was revolutionary! 

[Richard Penna 3,671]

The mosquito music is awesome!

 

When the 20th anniv. set came out, the only thing that truly felt missing for me was Race To The Dock. I really like how he combined the other tracks.... it was just the omission of that one remaining major cue that made it anticlimactic. I can see why he left it off - the ending isn't overly graceful, musically.

 

I almost miss a couple of the original suites. The way Hatching Baby Raptor segues into Life Finds A Way is pure genius and the original Incident At Isla Nublar is really well put together too (I still haven't got used to the film ending of Incident). But the ordering of the cues on the OST is just bizarre with the double-LP structure. Why did he decide to do that on just this single occasion, rather than delivering a full narrative?

[Josh500 1,615]

17 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

When the 20th anniv. set came out, the only thing that truly felt missing for me was Race To The Dock.

 

Agreed! 

 

I remember watching that scene with Nedry over and over again (man, how that car jumps!) just to listen to the music. Very short cue, but it's awesome. This sounds like something out of Raiders, almost!

 

 

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

Agreed on the weird LP thing, but I fixed that years ago by removing that and making my own CD, so that issue is long forgotten. 

And "sounds like Raiders" is probably why he left it off the album! 

[publicist 4,643]

6 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

The mosquito music is awesome!

 

When the 20th anniv. set came out, the only thing that truly felt missing for me was Race To The Dock. I really like how he combined the other tracks.... it was just the omission of that one remaining major cue that made it anticlimactic. I can see why he left it off - the ending isn't overly graceful, musically.

 

I go purely by musical value so i usually delete those bridging cues without listening to them more than once or twice. I remember only two cues i kept from that set apart from MCA album duplicates which were 'Hungry Raptor' and 'T-Rex Chase' (glued to the falling jeep cue). The rest did absolutely nothing for me.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

JP's complete score also gets tedious with the carnivore motif blasting over and over and over...

Take out the weird LP issue, and the old album's perfect.

[crumbs 14,301]

Yet the LLL release is only 2 minutes longer than the previous OST release!

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

It's all in the arrangement, my good man!

[publicist 4,643]

I would shave 10, 15 minutes off and it plays. TLW is a trickier matter. 

1. The Lost World / John Williams 3:36

2. Revealing the Plans / John Williams 2:18

3. To the Island / John Williams 3:41

4. The Stegosaurus (Extended Version) / John Williams 5:29

5. Fire at Camp and Corporate Helicopters / John Williams 3:22

6. The Hunt / John Williams 3:35

7. Big Feet / John Williams 1:42

8. Up in a Basket / John Williams 3:26

9. In the Trailer / John Williams 2:21

10. On the Glass / John Williams 4:05

11. Rescuing Sarah (Extended Version) / John Williams 5:12

12. Reading the Map / John Williams 3:10

13. The Trek / John Williams 5:25

14. Ripples / John Williams 5:53

15. The Long Grass / John Williams 2:29

16. The Raptors Appear / John Williams 3:44

17. High Bar and Ceiling Tiles / John Williams 4:12

18. Heading North / John Williams 2:14

19. Ludlow's Speech / John Williams 3:15

20. Monster on the Loose / John Williams 2:38

21. Visitor in San Diego (Extended Version) / John Williams 7:41

22. Ludlow's End / John Williams 2:52

23. Tranquilizer Dart / John Williams 3:01

24. The Lost World (Alternate) / John Williams 3:38

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

I have yet to be able to bring myself to take off a single cue from TLW complete. Even the most minor cues are at least entertaining and make nice breathing room in-between the highlights. I've listened to the entire thing more often than most health specialists would recommend. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I would agree.

[publicist 4,643]

There are a few murky/repetitive things on it i wouldn't want to listen to more than once but even my selection of great cues is remarkably long (my iTunes selections usually do not exceed 30-40 minutes).

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Top 10 Williams score for sure. Always something going on.

[crocodile 7,984]

Why did you delete all the cute compys music from your playlist @publicist ? I love this stuff!

 

Karol

[publicist 4,643]

Nah, i don't like that stuff. Only when it's part of a larger whole. It's not my favourite Williams mode.

[Chewy 2,377]

No "The Island's Voice" either?!

[crumbs 14,301]

The shrieking instrument he uses for the compys is really fucking annoying in large doses. I don't blame anyone for omitting those tracks.

 

But as an overall listening experience in complete form, The Lost World is perfect. You need the slower, atmospheric tracks (like Finding Camp Jurassic and The Trek) to balance out the heavy action tracks (like Ripples or Rescuing Sarah).

 

The score is easily one of Williams' best. My favourite Matessino release by a mile (and we have him to thank for it!)

[Nick Parker 3,040]

2 minutes ago, crumbs said:

The shrieking instrument he uses for the compys is really fucking annoying in large doses. I don't blame anyone for omitting those tracks.

 

Aw, man, I eat that stuff up! I love those piccolo tears that Williams loves to throw in his scores, and the compy music is one of his effective applications of it.

 

It's also one of the most viscerally unsettling pieces he's done in decades--maybe even since the cave music in Empire Strikes Back--in contrast to the very abstract and cerebral approach he can frequently find himself in. 

[publicist 4,643]

I have years before decided that i listen to film music purely for entertainment reasons (while i dig deeper in classical pieces sometimes). So i cut out stuff that i consider 'annoying' underscore except when it is given a larger context, say that long action piece at the beginning of AOTC. But a simple underscore cue with flatter tongues denoting mayhem onscreen usually is nothing i bother with except when it's reduced to brief interludes.