FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING: The Complete Recordings - RE-ISSUE now available (3CD/1BD or 5LP)

[Incanus 5,714]

41 minutes ago, leeallen01 said:

Limited to 5000 copies?!!!

The vinyl release I suppose.

[leeallen01 2,135]

I better get mine then. But 300 Pounds is huge for all 3, which I'll have to get.

[Holko 9,514]

Amazon UK has the listing for 62.4 Pounds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lord-Rings-Fellowship-Howard-Shore/dp/B079PTDW74/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519209354&sr=8-1&keywords=fellowship+of+the+ring+complete+recordings

[leeallen01 2,135]

12 minutes ago, Holko said:

Amazon UK has the listing for 62.4 Pounds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lord-Rings-Fellowship-Howard-Shore/dp/B079PTDW74/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519209354&sr=8-1&keywords=fellowship+of+the+ring+complete+recordings

 

That's not the Vinyl though.

[Holko 9,514]

Oh sorry, I meant to write it as a general update, not in response to you. 

[leeallen01 2,135]

Ah okay. Hopefully the Vinyl shows up on there too soon. So I don't have to pay 40 dollars import fees.

[Nick1Ø66 4,708]

Does anyone who already owns the existing set plan on buying the new editions, in either format?

 

I wouldn't double dip just to get the Blu-Ray, but that vinyl set looks tempting.

[leeallen01 2,135]

I'm wrestling with the idea. I have all the CD versions except TTT and am considering getting them all on Vinyl. I'm definitely getting TTT on CD to complete my set.

[Wojo 2,453]

I don't listen to Blu-ray audio by itself and I don't collect records. The first thing I would do to either is rip to digital for my iPod. This set should be enjoyed by those who do not own the first. There is merit to selling my old set just for the privilege of an upgrade, but that's too much work. 

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Excue me, but I'm a bit confused, why does this thread say April and the Amazon UK page say 16 March?

[mstrox 6,649]

http://www.howardshore.com/the-fellowship-of-the-ring-the-complete-recordings-on-vinyl-and-back-on-cd/#.Wo13atIUm3o

 

Here's your press release.  No timetable on TTT or ROTK, but it does confirm in writing that they're coming too.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Just pre-ordered. Package will arrive on 20-21 March, great birthday present!

[Jay 37,336]

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

Excue me, but I'm a bit confused, why does this thread say April and the Amazon UK page say 16 March?

 

If you click the links I put in the  main post of this thread (the Amazon US entries),  Amazon US clearly says April 6th.

 

I couldn't possibly tell you why Amazon UK says March 16th;  the official press release clearly says April 6th as well *shrug*

[mstrox 6,649]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

Once again, wouldn't it be nice if Rhino actually put out a proper press release to inform us about this release instead of all the confusion we've gone through over the past weeks?

 

56 minutes ago, mstrox said:

http://www.howardshore.com/the-fellowship-of-the-ring-the-complete-recordings-on-vinyl-and-back-on-cd/#.Wo13atIUm3o

 

Here's your press release. 

 

[Jay 37,336]

You're too fast!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Oh a BD audio? How much better will it be than the DVD-A?

[Jay 37,336]

Should be 24 bit / 48khz again.  That's what the score was recorded at.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

So no need to upgrade?

[Jay 37,336]

Right, its not a remaster or an update of any kind, just a reissue on different medium.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Oh, right, well, maybe it's different in the UK, like with Blu-Ray and DVD releases... I'll see when it arrives.

[Faleel 5,345]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

Right, its not a remaster or an update of any kind, just a reissue on different medium.

Wouldn't it  lossless? or not?

3 hours ago, mstrox said:

 

 

The press release was in Doug Adams' tweet that I posted on the last page.

[mstrox 6,649]

Ah - my work blocks Twitter, including embedded Tweets!  All hail Fal!

[Jay 37,336]

41 minutes ago, Fal said:

Wouldn't it  lossless? or not?

 

 

If all you had was a normal DVD player, if you put the old DVD that came with the old CR sets in, you'd only be able to play the lossy Dolby 5.1 audio on the disc's DVD-Video layer.  If you had a DVD-Audio player, though, you could play the higher res DVD-Audio available on the DVD-Audio layer.  If that track was lossy or lossless compared to their master I cannot recall, but if it is, then yes, potentially the new BD would present it in lossless DTS-MA or Doly TrueHD I suppose.  Didn't think of that (makes sense since DVD-Audio held what, 8 gigs and a single layer blu ray holds what, 25 gigs?)

[Incanus 5,714]

Well at least the new RotK CR won't have double-sided DVD with it.

[Nick1Ø66 4,708]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

 

 

If all you had was a normal DVD player, if you put the old DVD that came with the old CR sets in, you'd only be able to play the lossy Dolby 5.1 audio on the disc's DVD-Video layer.  If you had a DVD-Audio player, though, you could play the higher res DVD-Audio available on the DVD-Audio layer.  If that track was lossy or lossless compared to their master I cannot recall, but if it is, then yes, potentially the new BD would present it in lossless DTS-MA or Doly TrueHD I suppose.  Didn't think of that (makes sense since DVD-Audio held what, 8 gigs and a single layer blu ray holds what, 25 gigs?)

 

Yeah, I don't know if the DVD-A was lossless, so I suppose the possibility is there that the BD could be a genuine upgrade (I still wouldn't buy it though).  And as you said previously, a lot more people have BD players than DVD-A players back in the day, so at a minimum it would make the high res score a lot more accessible even if it was just a direct port from the previous version.

[Jay 37,336]

Yep

[Gollum Cat 24]

14 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

I'm wrestling with the idea. I have all the CD versions except TTT and am considering getting them all on Vinyl. I'm definitely getting TTT on CD to complete my set.

Exact same setup here. I will absolutely buy the vinyls, and TTT CD. Just need to wait for payday, in the next couple of weeks.........

Is the DVD/BR audio noticeably better than the normal CD audio? I ask because I'm not an audiophile, quite content with mp3s of my favorite music, and have hearing problems. Just curious what other's opinions are.

[Jay 37,336]

If you have hearing problems you won't notice a difference.

[leeallen01 2,135]

I'm a complete idiot when it comes to listening qualities etc. I've always wondered why the score is on 4 separate discs and then they give you the whole score on one disc in the same pack. As Treebeard says "that doesn't make sense to me."

[leeallen01 2,135]

Doug on Tracksounds talking about the reissue.

 

http://www.thesoundcast.com/2018/02/star-wars-by-john-williams-or-howard.html?m=1 

[Bilbo 3,709]

2 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

I'm a complete idiot when it comes to listening qualities etc. I've always wondered why the score is on 4 separate discs and then they give you the whole score on one disc in the same pack. As Treebeard says "that doesn't make sense to me."

 

Because that one disc is a DVD and holds a lot more information than the 4 other discs which are regular CDs.

 

You seriously don’t understand this?

[leeallen01 2,135]

I do, but I don't see the point. Why have two versions? Just have one. If the sound quality is better on one version, then why include the other which isn't as good? 

[Jim Ware 526]

16 hours ago, Jay said:

If you had a DVD-Audio player, though, you could play the higher res DVD-Audio available on the DVD-Audio layer.  If that track was lossy or lossless compared to their master I cannot recall

 

The DVD-Audio Advanced Resolution Audio tracks are lossless.

[Nick1Ø66 4,708]

There are three types of music listeners.

 

Those who can't tell the difference between high bitrate compressed music and lossless, those who think they can tell they difference between high bitrate compressed music and lossless but really can't, and the 5% who have the ears, equipment and listening environment (and know what to listen for) to be able to actually tell the difference.

 

This latter group will also tell you they can spot the difference between a 1080p and 4K TV on a 4" screen from 20 feet away.

 

Those with such hearing and eyesight are merely waiting to be recruited by the X-Men, at which point they presumably won't have time to listen.

 

 

 

 

[mstrox 6,649]

3 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

I do, but I don't see the point. Why have two versions? Just have one. If the sound quality is better on one version, then why include the other which isn't as good? 

 

Because if they were just selling a DVD-Audio disc (or just a Blu-ray), people (including me) wouldn't have bought it?  CD quality is great, DVD-Audio is overkill, and CDs are usable in literally every player including car, work computer, home stereo, etc.

[Jay 37,336]

6 hours ago, leeallen01 said:

I'm a complete idiot when it comes to listening qualities etc. I've always wondered why the score is on 4 separate discs and then they give you the whole score on one disc in the same pack. As Treebeard says "that doesn't make sense to me."

 

It makes complete and total sense and I don't really understand how you've managed to confuse yourself about it.

The score is presented on standard CD format so it can be played by anyone in their computer, home stereo system, portable CD player, car CD player, etc etc etc etc.  This is standard CD quality as has existed since the 80s - 16 bit  / 44.1khz, maximum of about 80 minutes per disc, etc.

 

Then, they present the score again on DVD-Audio format, so those who have the capabilities can hear the score in a higher quality format.  The full lossless DVD-Audio track is 24 bit / 48khz, not to mention the DVD provides the opportunity to listen to the score in a 5.1 mix, not just the stereo mix presented on the redbook CDs.

 

 

[leeallen01 2,135]

45 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

It makes complete and total sense and I don't really understand how you've managed to confuse yourself about it.

The score is presented on standard CD format so it can be played by anyone in their computer, home stereo system, portable CD player, car CD player, etc etc etc etc.  This is standard CD quality as has existed since the 80s - 16 bit  / 44.1khz, maximum of about 80 minutes per disc, etc.

 

Then, they present the score again on DVD-Audio format, so those who have the capabilities can hear the score in a higher quality format.  The full lossless DVD-Audio track is 24 bit / 48khz, not to mention the DVD provides the opportunity to listen to the score in a 5.1 mix, not just the stereo mix presented on the redbook CDs.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for explaining it to me.

 

Honestly I know absolute zero about audio formats or anything concerning it. I'm not being intentionally stupid, it's just a subject I have no interest in in-general so I have never understood it. Of course now that I am going to buy something, I need to know, and so thank you for giving me a little information. Although it may seem ridiculous that I don't know, but some people just don't even know the basics of certain subject that they have no investment in. 

[Nick1Ø66 4,708]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

 

It makes complete and total sense and I don't really understand how you've managed to confuse yourself about it.

The score is presented on standard CD format so it can be played by anyone in their computer, home stereo system, portable CD player, car CD player, etc etc etc etc.  This is standard CD quality as has existed since the 80s - 16 bit  / 44.1khz, maximum of about 80 minutes per disc, etc.

 

Then, they present the score again on DVD-Audio format, so those who have the capabilities can hear the score in a higher quality format.  The full lossless DVD-Audio track is 24 bit / 48khz, not to mention the DVD provides the opportunity to listen to the score in a 5.1 mix, not just the stereo mix presented on the redbook CDs.

 

 

 

 

[Jay 37,336]

LOL!

[Gollum Cat 24]

5 hours ago, Nick1066 said:

... and the 5% who have the ears, equipment and listening environment (and know what to listen for) to be able to actually tell the difference.

 

- If I were to acquire the specific equipment, what would I need?

- If I were to construct a proper listening environment, what would that look like?

- What specifically should I know to listen for?

[Nick1Ø66 4,708]

1 minute ago, Gollum Cat said:

 

- If I were to acquire the specific equipment, what would I need?

- If I were to construct a proper listening environment, what would that look like?

- What specifically should I know to listen for?

 

If you don't know the answer to those questions already, you'll never be able to tell the difference anyway.

[mstrox 6,649]

One of those sound sytems with like twelve speakers, a living room the size of a cavern, soundproof paneling on the walls, a big comfy chair, and a cup full of microwaved hot dogs for a listening-snack.

[Gollum Cat 24]

1 minute ago, Nick1066 said:

 

If you don't know the answer to those questions already, you'll never be able to tell the difference anyway.

 

I'm not counting on it, but I am trying to at least learn. I'm being serious in my questions.

[Jay 37,336]

5 minutes ago, Gollum Cat said:

- If I were to acquire the specific equipment, what would I need?

 

Assuming you're talking about the 2018 Blu ray edition and not the 2007 DVD-A edition, you would need:

 

1) A Blu Ray player

 

2) A HDMI capable receiver

 

3) 2 speakers for the stereo mix, or 5 speakers and a subwoofer for the 5.1 mix

 

 

5 minutes ago, Gollum Cat said:

- If I were to construct a proper listening environment, what would that look like?

 

Doesn't really matter much, just a room where you can listen without distractions

 

5 minutes ago, Gollum Cat said:

- What specifically should I know to listen for?

 

I don't understand this question.  What do you mean?

[Jurassic Shark 12,051]

It's not uncommon that box sets are released earlier in Europe, at least for classical music.

 

Holy shit, I see that the extended Fellowship is in 52nd place on the CDs & vinyl bestseller list on amazon.co.uk, regardless of genre! Hope they're making enough copies this time.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B079PTDW74/ref=zg_bs_music_52?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=D25MK6Z7YKGC4YBF4NPX

[Nick1Ø66 4,708]

10 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Assuming you're talking about the 2018 Blu ray edition and not the 2007 DVD-A edition, you would need:

 

1) A Blu Ray player

 

2) A HDMI capable receiver

 

3) 2 speakers for the stereo mix, or 5 speakers and a subwoofer for the 5.1 mix

 

 

 

Doesn't really matter much, just a room where you can listen without distractions

 

 

I don't understand this question.  What do you mean?

 

I think he's asking about being able to discern high bit rate compressed audio from lossless.

 

To to start, you need almost perfect hearing and really good ears.   Then know what compression artefacts sound like and how to listen for them, and have good enough equipment, and a decent listening environment (not your car).  And most importantly, you have to care enough to go out of your way to recognise the almost minuscule differences you might find in some kinds of music.

[mstrox 6,649]

I'd recommend a $50 CD boombox.  It's cheaper and it'll work just as well for most people.

[Richard Penna 3,679]

26 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

I don't understand this question.  What do you mean?

 

Well if there's better sound quality, is there something prominent about it that will sound better? Or is is more subtle than that?

[Jurassic Shark 12,051]

Probably very subtle.

[Jay 37,336]

I listened to the lossy 5.1 audio via the DVD-Video layer since I never had a DVD-Audio player, and the only difference I really noted was the surround mix over the stereo mix, IE, hearing the sound echoing behind you, etc.