Josh500 1,615 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Now that we had time to watch/listen to TLJ many times.... What's your opinion now? Both are very good, but I'd say TFA for score (Rey's Theme!), and TLJ for movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,492 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Ooh, that's hard. For the movie, it's probably TLJ. I sadly can't say that much about the scores yet, just the OSTs. TFA is a great listening experience, and TLJ works best for me when listened immediately after TFA, they work together really well. But TLJ has more and better highlight tracks. Still, overall so far I may prefer TFA just by a little bit. A complete TLJ will probably change this, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 510 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Movie: TLJ Score: They are both great but I think I like TLJ a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,632 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 TFA score for the new themes, though I like the underscore of TLJ better. As a movie TLJ is weak plotting and screenwriting at its best (in this case, being the best is not good), so TFA for movie. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Movie: TLJ - I actually really liked the direction it went. Probably my favorite Star Wars film in a long while. Score: TFA - TLJ is really good, and I love the underscore, but TFA is more diverse in terms of new themes. Plus what Williams does with his classic material is fantastic as well. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I voted TFA score because it's completely superior and the movie because it's over sooner and paced better to limit boredom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 broken record Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Movie: definitely TFA. Score: this is a close one, but I prefer TFA over TLJ. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 The Force Awakens’ score just seems to be richer. Although there are some cool moments in the Last Jedi, there are no super moments in my opinion, whereas TFA just seems to be more diverse. Although the actual recording of TLJ is a lot better than TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, tmarps said: The Force Awakens’ score just seems to be richer. Although there are some cool moments in the Last Jedi, there are no super moments in my opinion, whereas TFA just seems to be more diverse. Although the actual recording of TLJ is a lot better than TFA. That is just about right. As movies, both are pretty lackluster to me. TFA follows the Star Wars template, which makes it repetitive, but still better than the incoherent mess that is TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 TFA on both fronts by a landslide. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 TFA for both, although for score it's pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I actually like The Last Jedi's score more (people-who-label-anyone-who-has-issues-with-the-score-as-an-outright-"hater" gasp here) for one very simple (but important!) reason: its far more extrovert. Its a fuller sound. Very important for a Star Wars score. As for a film, I can't get over how deriviative The Force Awakens is, but its a better packaged film than The Last Jedi: far better paced, more action-packed and even the effects shots are better polished. But admittedly, its a close call on both acounts: both scores and films are quite good, neither is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,017 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, tmarps said: The Force Awakens’ score just seems to be richer. Although there are some cool moments in the Last Jedi, there are no super moments in my opinion, whereas TFA just seems to be more diverse. Although the actual recording of TLJ is a lot better than TFA. You don't find The Spark to be 'super'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: You don't find The Spark to be 'super'? Or Holdo’s Resolve? That build up Williams created is superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You don't find The Spark to be 'super'? Williams isn’t so good at simple repetition as he is with busy, complicated, technically frightening orchestration. (In my humble, listeners opinion) Although I agree it is a cool track - TFA just seems to have more - like The Falcon and Follow Me - those time signatures!!?!? 2 hours ago, someonefun124 said: Or Holdo’s Resolve? That build up Williams created is superb. Williams is amazing at releasing tension at JUST the right time - and I do love that track a lot. The noteable strong chords at the end are so significantly memorable because the orchestral tutti contrasts the busyness of the stuff heard earlier. Magnificent writing I agree - but did any moment in the Last Jedi give you as many chills as hearing the Rebel Fanfare when the Falcon is introduced in the Jakku chase scene in TFA - or the reveal of Han Solo and Chewie accompanied by a soft Star Wars main theme? Greater releases of tension in TFA in my opinion. Although I do love the musical and visual moment in TLJ where Rey catches the lightsaber in Snoke’s bedroom and the great brassy Force Theme dominates the senses. I appreciated the overwhelming brass Force themes in TLJ a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,017 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 "Snoke's bedroom". That must be a cut scene. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: "Snoke's bedroom". That must be a cut scene. I’m sure that was his gold silk night gown he was wearing Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 TFA and TFA. While my appreciation for the film itself has waned a bit with subsequent rewatches, it was such a great experience seeing it for the first time (probably my favorite cinema experience). TFA, while chopped up and undermixed in film, has become one of my very favorite Williams scores. Rey's Theme is pitch-perfect for the character and there are a wealth of great new themes. Cerebral Cortex and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 On 03 March 2018 at 4:09 PM, Tom said: TFA score for the new themes, though I like the underscore of TLJ better. As a movie TLJ is weak plotting and screenwriting at its best (in this case, being the best is not good), so TFA for movie. X2 for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 TFA for both. TFA score is the hands down winner, but the movies are a lot closer for me but TFA barely edges it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 A few years ago, I never thought people would consider TFA the winner of anything because of all the disappointed comments. I guess when IX comes out, people will finally love and appreciate TLJ. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,632 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: A few years ago, I never thought people would consider TFA the winner of anything because of all the disappointed comments. I guess when IX comes out, people will finally love and appreciate TLJ. I do not get this sort of reasoning. The TFA was a mediocre SW film, not bad, not great. TLJ was worse, thus TFA is better than TLJ. If IX is even worse than TLJ, then, yes, TLJ will be preferred to IX. It is not as if people (those who thought TFA was mediocre) have changed their mind on anything. If anything, it is a testament to just how poor of a film TLJ is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I was referring to the scores not the films. And people who originally dismissed Williams TFA score have come to love it after 2 years. In fact, there were a few TLJ score reviews that made this point. My point is that people’s taste and opinions change over time. Therefore, I predict Williams TLJ score will get its love in due time. As as for the love for the film itself? I have no idea. Seems like people are preferring the PT since TLJ was released. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 People gain some perspective over time, yes. But you could also say the oposite about the people who adore the score to The Last Jedi: that they are mostly basking in the Williams Star Wars score du jour, as it were. I personally still find The Last Jedi a superior score because its, put bluntly, more bombast than The Force Awakens. Beyond the merits and demerits of either as a leitmotivic composition, the bombastic sound is emblematic to Star Wars, and is sorely lacking in The Force Awakens. Couple that with Abrams mixing, and you've got a none-score as far as the film is concerned. 14 minutes ago, Tom said: I do not get this sort of reasoning. The TFA was a mediocre SW film, not bad, not great. TLJ was worse, thus TFA is better than TLJ. If IX is even worse than TLJ, then, yes, TLJ will be preferred to IX. It is not as if people (those who thought TFA was mediocre) have changed their mind on anything. If anything, it is a testament to just how poor of a film TLJ is. Its not entirely beyond reason for episode IX to be worst than The Last Jedi. Final chapters (especially here where its, in a way, the closing chapter of the entire nonet) have a tradition of being overwrought and unbalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,632 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Its not entirely beyond reason for episode IX to be worst than The Last Jedi. Final chapters (especially here where its, in a way, the closing chapter of the entire nonet) have a tradition of being overwrought and unbalanced. I think there is a strong chance IX will be worse than TLJ. The primary reason being that TLJ made it hard to care about any of the main characters going forward. They are all idiots, with the possible exception of Rey. And even in her case, her storyline barely advanced from where she was at the end of TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 The diminished size of the ressistance would lend itself to them fighting against the First Order in an insurgent or infiltration tactic, so in and of itself that's not much of an issue. Carrie Fisher's death is much more unfortunate, because she is the only throughline left from the first trilogy, unless Luke decides to show up as a ghost. Apart from that, Abrams can really do whatever he wants.The Last Jedi's ending did him the courtesy of not setting any specific course for his film to follow in. It also killed off a couple of characters, so Abrams isn't burdened with too many characters to balance: Outside of whatever new characters JJ will introduce, its just Rey, Finn, Rose, Poe and Kylo. The slave kid doesn't have anything to do with the plot (and so is unlikely to feature in further movies) and everything to do with the film's themes. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,017 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Now that there's so few characters left there's finally room for Jar-Jar to return. Star Wars: Return of the Binks The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Hey, you want a film that goes full circle? have Jar Jar make a cameo only to be brutally killed. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,017 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 That would be a satisfying ending! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 It would! It boggles my mind that Lucas didn't have Jar Jar die in Revenge of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,017 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I'm still surprised that he didn't remove the character completely after TPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 TLJ and TLJ although films and scores are both quite close to each other. It would be so funny if TLJ won for best score. It would get quite unpleasant around here ... but also funny. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,632 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: TLJ and TLJ although films and scores are both quite close to each other. It would be so funny if TLJ won for best score. It would get quite unpleasant around here ... but also funny. Well, I think most around here are rooting for it to win. TLJ is still on par with the other candidates. Plus, Williams has lost out so many years to lesser scores... A Dear Basketball win coupled with a TLJ win would be epic, though realistically it (at most) will only be the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 50 minutes ago, Tom said: Well, I think most around here are rooting for it to win. TLJ is still on par with the other candidates. Plus, Williams has lost out so many years to lesser scores... A Dear Basketball win coupled with a TLJ win would be epic, though realistically it (at most) will only be the former. Of course I'm rooting for Williams. A double win is a distant possibility, but a possibility nonetheless. Not exactly the same, but they gave Morricone the statue for The Hateful Eight, which was by far not his best. We all know The Mission was. Worst snub of all time, in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 04/03/2018 at 4:24 PM, Jurassic Shark said: I'm still surprised that he didn't remove the character completely after TPM. It's a wonder the guy even made it into the first movie. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,624 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Last Jedi both answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I like both quite a bit. TFA introduced so many great themes, and TLJ used them in a bunch of cool new ways. A difficult decision, and fortunately one that I don't actually have to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 TLJ and TLJ Wow, the latter is actually more popular on this forum?! So, no childhood-ruined upset Star Wars fan pricks around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,291 Posted March 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2018 On 05/03/2018 at 12:42 PM, Jerry said: I really like TLJ, but because TFA introduced a lot of the themes, it is tough. I think TLJ uses them better though. Oh well, another difficult decision. That puts it nicely actually. TFA introduces all the themes but they don't really get a proper workout (Star Wars/JW style) until TLJ, which is a vastly more extroverted and energetic score than TFA. I spent two years thinking March of the Resistance was a fairly pedestrian, autopilot march for Johnny's standards. Then along comes TLJ and reinvents the theme with an energy that puts its usage in TFA to shame. Smeltington, Holko and Chen G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 2 hours ago, crumbs said: TLJ, which is a vastly more extroverted and energetic score than TFA. See, we can agree on something regarding this score! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,291 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Can't help but wonder if Johnny just couldn't quite write the score for TFA that he wanted, either due to health concerns, exhaustion from all the rewrites, or simply JJ's editing style prohibiting him from long-lined usage of his themes the way TLJ allowed. Alternatively, he was just playing it cool and keeping things restrained for VII, intending to elaborate on the themes with greater diversity in the sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, crumbs said: Alternatively, he was just playing it cool and keeping things restrained for VII. I think you got it there, although I'm not sure how conscious of sequels he was, as much as he just tried writing a Star Wars score that was more restrained. I started thinking it was his new ouvre, but thankfully The Last Jedi proved me wrong on that issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,275 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just came across this thread and was surprised to see that TLJ easily won for preferred movie. I thought the internet hated this film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Get with the times! Even Matriss loves it now! Taikomochi and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,637 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Just came across this thread and was surprised to see that TLJ easily won for preferred movie. I thought the internet hated this film? Nah- just the loud part of the Internet! I hadn't voted in this yet, so here's another vote for the TFA score and the TLJ movie. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yeah, this place is a refuge from all that din. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,017 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, SteveMc said: Get with the times! Even Matriss loves it now! He's a trendsetter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 TLJ & TLJ Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Remco 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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