Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Rambo III re-sequenced, re-mastered, re-packaged! After lengthy delay, third and final score by Jerry Goldsmith in initial Rambo trilogy finally brings Intrada CD series under one roof at the same time. John Rambo takes on Russians in Afghanistan in effort to rescue captured Colonel Trainman. Sylvester Stallone, Richard Crenna star, John Stainier photographs, Stallone & Sheldon Lettich script, Buzz Feitshans produces, Peter MacDonald directs. Jerry Goldsmith writes his longest Rambo score, infuses it with the largest number of thematic ideas as well. Melodies from first two films do appear but this time Goldsmith emphasizes all-new Rambo-in-action material with new rhythmic foundations as well. Also of note: Architectural device of new four-note building block that launches new theme. Motif not only anchors new Rambo theme but also opens other new material including music for Afghanistan locale plus beautiful minor-key theme underlining Rambo’s loyalty to new friends helping him in his cause. Capturing center stage none-the-less is dynamic action music wherein four-note motif in brass over familiar mixed-meter rhythms in left-hand digital piano literally propel Rambo into action. Goldsmith himself dubbed forte performance of piano overlays during mixing to create unusually commanding timbre. Post-production editing of the film created necessity to truncate numerous cues, replace others with tracks from second film. As such, CD for Rambo III features music not heard in final film. Highlights of score are numerous but standing tall is powerful ending sequence when Rambo parts with new friends, rides off in Jeep with Trautman. Here, Goldsmith returns to his very first “Homecoming” theme from movie that launched series, First Blood. As solo trumpet gives way to strings, entire orchestra crescendoes in powerful fortissimo farewell to this most emotional of Goldsmith themes. Entire following end credit music heard in same cue (“I’ll Stay”) offers magnificent medley of new action theme with haunting minor-key theme, culminating in stirring coda that melds both second and third film’s themes in single muscular flourish. Great finale to the trilogy! Intrada presents entire score from first generation three-track masters mixed by Mike Ross-Trevor from his original Otari 32-track digital scoring session elements. Previous releases were produced from two-track session DATs. New mastering adds weight, clarity. Score also now presented for the first time in film sequence. New liner notes focusing on thematic ideas plus revised packaging from Kay Marshall complete this definitive look at a genuine Goldsmith action classic! “The first time was for himself. The second was for his country. This time is for his friend.” Arthur Morton, Nancy Beach orchestrate, Jerry Goldsmith composes, conducts Hungarian State Opera Orchestra 01. Carolco Logo (0:19) 02. Preparations (6:24) 03. The Money (0:51) 04. Another Time (3:56) 05. I’m Used To It (0:59) 06. Peshawar (1:11) 07. Afghanistan (2:37) 08. Questions (3:37) 09. Then I’ll Die (3:34) 10. The Game (2:25) 11. Flaming Village (4:07) 12. The Aftermath (2:42) 13. Night Entry (3:59) 14. Under And Over (2:55) 15. Night Fight (6:51) 16. First Aid (2:45) 17. The Long Climb (2:58) 18. Going Down (1:04) 19. Running Wild (0:30) 20. Find Cover (0:51) 21. The Cave (3:32) 22. The Boot (1:54) 23. You Did It, John (1:07) 24. Final Battle (6:13) 25. I’ll Stay (9:01) - "Going Down" (1:52) from the 2005 version has been split up into "Going Down" (1:04) and "Find Cover" (0:51) on the 2018 version. - "The Show Down" (1:26) and "Final Battle" (4:50) from the 2005 version have been joined to "Final Battle" (6:13) on the 2018 version. - "The Long Climb" (3:25) from the 2005 version has been split up into "The Long Climb" (2:58) and "Running Wild" (0:30) on the 2018 version. - The cue which was earlier referred to as "Insane" by the producer turned out to be already included in "Night Fight" as an insert - Other differences to the previous version are the now chronological order of the cues and the new master, plus they added the Carolco Logo to the beginning. Unlucky Bastard and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Well, I'd buy it. Can anyone lend me a twenty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2018 Great! I haven't bought this score in a few years! Pieter Boelen, Naïve Old Fart, Unlucky Bastard and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 49 minutes ago, Richard said: Well, I'd buy it. Can anyone lend me a twenty? Just strike a deal with Intrada: they buy back the last dozen releases for this title and you get it at a bargain price! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 For a person like me who doesn't own any version of this score this re-release is A-OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Is it definitive now? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 Yes. And it is also finally complete. The new liner notes are cool. The old version just had one or two pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,713 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Unlucky Bastard and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Brundlefly said: 19. Running Wild (0:30) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: Yes. And it is also finally complete. The new liner notes are cool. The old version just had one or two pages. Oh good, it's going to be my first CD of this score. I've never heard it or watched the film. Will brace myself for the magic and might of Hungarian State Opera Orchestra's virtuoso performance By the way, wasn't it the first score Intrada has ever put out or something? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 The new Rambo theme is one of JG's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 8 hours ago, publicist said: Just strike a deal with Intrada: they buy back the last dozen releases for this title and you get it at a bargain price! Ta, awfully, old boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said: The new Rambo theme is one of JG's best. That was Brian Tyler! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said: The new Rambo theme is one of JG's best. That's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 11 hours ago, crocodile said: Is it definitive now? At least until a re-recording by a competent orchestra comes along. Naïve Old Fart and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 True. It's not the best played score, is it? Do JWfaners think it's better-played or worse-played than his mid 80s ISLANDS IN THE STREAM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 Which Goldsmith scores are the worst performed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, Richard said: True. It's not the best played score, is it? Do JWfaners think it's better-played or worse-played than his mid 80s ISLANDS IN THE STREAM? You're talking about the re-rec I assume? I haven't heard that yet. But Rambo III is the only Goldsmith score I'm pretty sure I would like a lot but that I usually just can't get myself to play because the performance is so lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Yes, I am talking about the rerecording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 14 hours ago, Brundlefly said: That's true. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: You're talking about the re-rec I assume? I haven't heard that yet. But Rambo III is the only Goldsmith score I'm pretty sure I would like a lot but that I usually just can't get myself to play because the performance is so lousy. Not a big fan of aleatoric music then, eh? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I never had a problem with the performance of this score. Yet again, I've never known what it was "meant" to sound like, so I have no point of reference to compare it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: You're talking about the re-rec I assume? I haven't heard that yet. But Rambo III is the only Goldsmith score I'm pretty sure I would like a lot but that I usually just can't get myself to play because the performance is so lousy. I wonder why Tadlow/Prometheus combo hasn't tackled it yet. A perfect Goldsmith candidate if there ever was one. Alongside Lionheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Wouldn't Rambo III be a bit above their skill level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Well they have now some pedigree in performing and recording film scores so I would expect they could tackle it. Then again I haven't listened to Rambo III very extensively so I don't know if it would be insanely difficult for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Wouldn't Rambo III be a bit above their skill level? If Tadlow can handle BEN-HUR, EL CID, and LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, I'm sure that they could handle RAMBO III. LIONHEART would be a great Tadlow project, but, of course, DRACULA would be better Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Rambo III re-recording would make for a great combination with those discovered end titles of Rambo II. Just sayin'... crocodile and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Incanus said: I wonder why Tadlow/Prometheus combo hasn't tackled it yet. A perfect Goldsmith candidate if there ever was one. Alongside Lionheart. The synths? For Lionheart at least, I imagine. I don't recall how much synth there is in Rambo III. 12 hours ago, crocodile said: Not a big fan of aleatoric music then, eh? It's more the percussionist who can't keep a steady rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: The synths? For Lionheart at least, I imagine. I don't recall how much synth there is in Rambo III. If Intrada can successfully recreate synth tracks for Damnation Alley then I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible for Lionheart. Plus, if I remember, Tadlow featured some synth tracks in their restoration of The Salamander. Which, by the way, is a really neat album. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I'm not saying it's not possible, but I don't think Tadlow has much experience in that way so far? As far as I recall (haven't played it in a while), Salamander doesn't have the kinds of synth that prominently feature in Lionheart and Rambo III to (apparently) cover up the weak brass. (And it would be more interesting to forgo those synths in favour of proper brass players anyway, but then it wouldn't be authentic anymore - and above all, Tadlow usually seems intent on trying to replicate the original score as close as possible, tempos and everything) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 I've never thought of Rambo III as a bad orchestra performance. What exactly is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 It often sounds a bit wobbly, like an orchestra that has just rehearsed enough to get through a cue, but not get through it well. But my main issue has always been the percussion in this piece, starting at 3:14: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 One of Jerry's best themes ever. Later scores like Executive Decision and Star Trek: Nemesis (The Argo) had a similar sound. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: It often sounds a bit wobbly, like an orchestra that has just rehearsed enough to get through a cue, but not get through it well. But my main issue has always been the percussion in this piece, starting at 3:14: Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Is this horror comparable to the Graunke Symphony Orchestra that partly mutilated Conti's Masters of the Universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 I thought it was intended as a rhythmic delay like in minimalistic music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 You hear it very obviously in the action cues, i. e. halfway here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 The percussionists have trouble keeping time in some of the tracks. And the brass pales compares to that of the first 2 scores. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Now I am starting to regret ever buying this damn horrid thing! It sounds downright awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Incanus said: Is this horror comparable to the Graunke Symphony Orchestra that partly mutilated Conti's Masters of the Universe? MOTU sounds awesome. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, Incanus said: Now I am starting to regret ever buying this damn horrid thing! It sounds downright awful! It's not awful. But it's certainly not up to standard. Lot's of 80's Goldsmith was done by shitty orchestra's but are great anyway. Rambo III is a fabulous score. Unlucky Bastard and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 If I survived Inchon I can also survive this. Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Philippe Roaché said: MOTU sounds awesome. How can you listen to those awful brass flubs and not blanch in horror and cringe? Even the composer thinks the orchestra did a horrible job. I am amazed how he managed to edit together a rather good end result from all those takes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Incanus said: How can you listen to those awful brass flubs and not blanch in horror and cringe? I've never noticed any brass flubs. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Denise Bryson said: I've never noticed any brass flubs. Well then you are OK I guess. I was scarred for life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Never took you for a snowflake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Incanus said: How can you listen to those awful brass flubs and not blanch in horror and cringe? Even the composer thinks the orchestra did a horrible job. I am amazed how he managed to edit together a rather good end result from all those takes though. Links to specific occasions, please. 2 hours ago, crocodile said: If I survived Inchon I can also survive this. Although this one was not necessarily badly played. The sound quality however deserves to be called "awful". Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Hey I'm Jerry Goldsmith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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