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If you read the novel Bloodline it makes sense. The New Republic had no army. 

 

TLJ tried to be different and then everybody is complaining about it. Make up your fucking minds. 

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4 minutes ago, SF1_freeze said:

 

Then you have 2000 people called the Resistance who are a fucking joke in terms of military force and nobody ever explains why the First Order or the New Republic even care about this little splinter group. One First Order Star Destroyer has more people than the whole Resistance and we are made to believe that they are a menace for the First Order?

 

It all makes no fucking sense unless you follow the logic of 3 year old kids...thats why many fans are insulted

 

Demodex, i almost envy you that you can switch off your brain so much during watching to not see nor realize all this lazy ass shit.

 

Jesus, it's just a fucking movie mate!

 

Get a grip and stop hurling insults saying people must have to "turn their brains off" to enjoy them. Some people just don't psychoanalyse movies to within an inch of their lives while watching them, least of all SPACE ADVENTURE MOVIES! It's Star Wars, not a scientific documentary on the theory of quantum mechanics!

 

If shit like this concerns you that much watching these movies, you need to get out more. 

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How does that make any sense? Bloodlines is a sad try by the Lucasfilm Story Group to somehow try to damage control this trainwreck of a story and find any explanation at all for the stupid starkiller shot onto the New Republic Starsystem.

It still makes zero sense.

 

No sane people would station their whole fleet only in one system when there are 1000s of worlds in the galaxy!!!

No government could work and function for 1000s of worlds when all military and governmental power is concentrated on only 3 planets. (its such a joke plotwise in TFA)

This cant ever be explained at all because it doesnt make any sense. If you have any clue about politics and how the world works you realize that, no matter how many books by Lucasfilm try to fix that....

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29 minutes ago, Demodex said:

 

TLJ tried to be different and then everybody is complaining about it. Make up your fucking minds. 

 

TLJ was even a more glorified Rebellion 2.0 vs Empire 2.0. The New Republic plothole was ignored instead of fixed. 

And we are made to believe that 2000 people are a menace for the First Order instead of the rest of the Galaxy who didnt even appear apart from Casino City. Sure its because of the TFA plotholes that made our heroes easily destroy starkiller base...the lifework of the First Order... our Deathstar 3.0 where Captain Phasma on gunpoint deactivated the whole Starkiller Base SHIELD just to save her life... she alone could and would do that... ridiculous

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1 hour ago, Demodex said:

Except for that one guy's idiotic anti-male conspiracy theory. 

 

The only idiotic part is that it's true -- every male in that movie is an idiot. Lemme guess, that makes it relevant and relatable?

 

2 hours ago, Demodex said:

TLJ tried to be different and then everybody is complaining about it. Make up your fucking minds. 

 

Different doesn't have to be stupid.

 

2 hours ago, Demodex said:

If you read the novel Bloodline it makes sense. The New Republic had no army. 

 

I don't care about any goddamned novels or cartoons, if I need those to better appreciate the story being told, the story isn't being told well!

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The Star War movies have never been anything more than popcorn space movies for adolescents. The prequels were bold but still didn't stray too far from this.

 

I will admit that there are some very interesting scenes in Empire that don't jive with the rest of the saga, such as when Han and Leia are talking in a darkened spaceship with eerie blue lighting about Lando system and the performances are oddly naturalistic and the tone Ridley Scott Alien-esque. But that's an exception to the rule.

 

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2 hours ago, Demodex said:

Every argument made about the sequel trilogy can be said about the OT. 

Except for that one guy's idiotic anti-male conspiracy theory. 

 

I challenge you to defend these arguments against the sequel trilogy... and link them to similar critiques of the OT:

 

- The protagonist just knows how to do everything without struggling or failing... or any explanation why she is so powerful. (In TFA alone, Rey expertly flies and repairs the Millennium Falcon, resists Force mind probing, reads that person's mind, uses a mind trick on a strormtrooper, and beats Kylo Ren in lightsaber combat.)

 

- The films lack a villain that is respected and feared. (Oh, no! Look! It's Kylo Ren. Talk about a man-baby! At the height of his power, Snoke was just 'killed' by Kylo. And Commander Hux was played as comedic relief in practically every scene.)

 

- Little to no development of most characters in the second film.

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3 hours ago, Demodex said:

If you read the novel Bloodline it makes sense. The New Republic had no army.  

 

There's something fundamentally wrong with a set of movies if they can't stand on their own and need supplementary support from EU novels to make sense.

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They're not popcorn movies! They're deep and make you think stuff like philosophy and spirituality and-

 

Yeah, nevermind,  I can't even type this as a joke without feeling stupid. 

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16 hours ago, crumbs said:

I loved TLJ (because I'm not a butthurt fanboy who just wanted a cliched remake of ESB) and even I haven't bothered seeing this film, purely because I'm happy to wait until Bluray. This isn't "must-see" like an Episode film and reviews tempered my expectations.

 

But I guess calm, cool, rational explanations about why ticket sales are low is far less sexy than ZOMG EVERYONE HATED TLJ SO DEY TOTALLY SHOWING DSISNEY TEY SUCK!!!!1!1111 HAHAAHAHA SUCCKCKK ITTT KAATHTYH KANNADY YOU MAN-HATING FEMANEST!

 

Who gives a flying fuck? Last time I checked, the writer and director determined a character's actions, not the fucking actor portraying them. Jesus Christ, do you know a single thing about film-making?

 

:lol:

 

You loved TLJ because it wasn't a remake? Did you love TFA? It was a remake of ANH! I don't want remakes. TLJ's story was incredibly unimaginative and lazy. Subverting expectation by killing Snoke and Luke sacrifices himself with a Force projection. Lame! Episode 9 is not a "must see" anymore.

 

Please tell us the "rational explanations" why a Star Wars film released during Memorial Day weekend will not make a profit in theaters.

 

I understand many aspects of film-making and can recognize a film bad film. I was just letting you know that Hamill had issues with the writing for his character. I have reason to believe that he would be more familiar with Luke Skywalker than Rian Johnson, who - let's be honest - was just some guy that agreed to do Kathleen Kenndy's bidding.

 

16 hours ago, Taikomochi said:

I just think it’s a sad statement about the direction our culture has taken when people genuinely think there is some conspiracy between Kathleen Kennedy and Disney to attack Star Wars fans personally, and think it so loudly. You didn’t like the movie, fine. No need to invent all these conspiracy theories about Disney shilling bot accounts to brigade reviews and putting the squeeze on Mark Hamill like he has been taken hostage. It’s totally divorced from reality.

 

It’s a series of pop movies about people with laser swords, and I say that as someone who loves Star Wars very dearly. Find something better to do with your life. You aren’t that important.

 

It's not personal - it's business. And clearly Mrs. Kennedy thinks she doesn't need the fans. Our loudest voice now is not paying to see this new movie. I don't believe that Disney is "shilling bot accounts to brigade reviews" or "putting the squeeze on Mark Hamill like he has been taken hostage". Hamill abruptly changed his tune. If you think he did so without being asked to, you are "totally divorced from reality".

 

14 hours ago, John said:

It's funny, watching all these self-entitled fanboys throwing fits over these new Star Wars movies makes my fondness for them all the more piquant. It's a wonderful world we live in, where we get 4 new Star Wars movies in a span of two and a half years. Star Wars is finally fun again! Why can't people just sit back and enjoy the ride?

 

I represent those who desire quality over quantity. While the TFA, RO, and Solo made have been acceptable "fun", they were all lacking in major ways. TLJ was a disgrace to Star Wars. I can't "enjoy" something that sucks.

 

13 hours ago, Demodex said:

I like how Lucasfilm went out of its way to insult and preach to the audience and so many people didn't even notice.  I saw it 3 times and I didn't notice. 

 

They did it in the films and on Twitter. They are hoping you don't notice... and just buy everything no matter what. Some of use know better.

 

18 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

People done lost their minds.

 

Times like these I'm easily convinced that some people have a neuro-chemical predilection for extreme tribal self-righteousness and blindness.  Whether it's religion or sports or freakin' Star Wars.

 

11 hours ago, TGP said:

 

They do mate.  It's the root of all evil.  I expect it's something evolution will continue to weed out. 

 

Hopefully... but not in the way you think.

 

11 hours ago, Taikomochi said:

Nobody cares if people don’t like a movie. It’s the conspiracy theories I take issue with...

 

Disney will care when Lucasfilm starts loosing money on Star Wars. Let people theorize. And you can continue given Disney your money on this crap.

 

11 hours ago, Margo Channing said:

Look, it's inevitable that SW, and other toxically masculine franchises would be forced to conform to the new world order of social justice, and become a little bit more feminine, a bit more foreign, a bit more dainty, and a bit more limp-wristed. It's the future, so get with it.

 

I'm hoping that was sarcasm. But I know some people genuinely think that way. Not everyone will "get with" the new tone/agendas of SW, and a consumers (mainly the traditional fans) are being driven away as we speak. I can tell you money speaks, as well.

 

11 hours ago, Holko said:

 

It's the insane vocal minority's constant accusations of Disney having evil agendas and the ridiculous hyperbole of their childhoods getting destroyed and so on, and stating these over and over again that "normal" people take issue with.

 

Senselessly extreme reactions cause extreme counterreactions.

 

They are not destroying my childhood. The "insane vocal minority" is the opposite of insane... and may not be the minority for much longer. "Normal" people are learning more and more each day. We will see what the "minority" does to Episode 9 at the box office if no changes are made to correct this sinking ship.

 

Senselessly extreme reactions, like complaining and boycotting? Hopefully, the extreme counter-reaction will be the firing of Kathleen Kennedy and her goons.

 

10 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

True, some TLJ-haters voice exaggerated opinions, especially over the internet, but when every other post is a tirade against these supposedly ubiquitous extremists, it’s a straw man, and it’s no less tiresome.

 

You can be tired of it, but it won't make the upset fans' grievances any less warranted. People are tired of being disappointed. This is capitalism, and actions will have consequences.

 

10 hours ago, kaseykockroach said:

Isn't it hilarious that new Star Wars is being accused of being feminist and social justice-y, when so far every film has been conceived, written and directed by heterosexual white men?

 

... controlled and paid by Kathleen Kennedy. she is the source of the problem. Isn't it ironic that her kind preaches diversity... but hires only white men to write and direct her movies? And why can't heterosexual white men be feminists and social justice-y?

 

10 hours ago, Margo Channing said:

 

I don't see the logic in angering half your customers. Don't they want them for return business?

 

Exactly. We are seeing what happens when a company takes for granted and insults potential customers. Solo made less than half what Rogue One pulled in in its opening weekend. Word of Lucasfilms' shenanigans is spreading like wild fire.

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3 hours ago, kaseykockroach said:

I doubt I'll ever find a girl who'd find me desirable company, but I found someone perfect for Mattris!

 

 

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#sad

 

Your bad jokes betray a total lack of seriousness about the wicked malignant reign of terror spell Di$ney and Kennedy hold over the precious Star Wars saga. 

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1 hour ago, Indianagirl said:

I never realized I wasn't supposed to try and read between the lines to recognize DJ was a morally ambiguous character whose so-called wisdom or mantra shouldn't be trusted.

 

But its not just the character who is making this argument, now is it? its the film itself that's making the argument. That's my biggest issue with the Canto Bight sequence: not that it slows down the pace, not that it stupid, not that the CG is bad (all true), but that thematically it stands outside of the film's plot.

 

In fact, it doesn't have any one theme: its about animal cruelty, social justice, morality of arms deals. And because it attempts to rope in so many themes, it ends up being all but superficial in its communicating of all of them - all in the expense of what could have been used the deepen the film's overarching themes.

 

As with the rest of the film, there is an evident lack of restraint here. More action, more characters, more twists, more runtime, more camera movement, more, more, more - its all just too much.

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