Star Wars Disenchantment

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

When I was at school, the girls didn't want to know you if you liked Star Wars, now suddenly it's made for them?

[Holko 9,499]

inb4 Goldenrod arrives and says it makes perfect sense.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Wars and Trek were both pretty nerdy at that time, despite being so mainstream. I'll say this for Disney. They sure found a way to overcome that. Not to say many of the fans aren't embarrassingly nerdy.

[mstrox 6,647]

My sister has always liked Star Wars, and any scan of ComicCon panels and Star Wars celebration crowds (including pre-Disney) has shown an excellent female fanbase.

 

I think it's become less stigmatized for women and girls to express interest in "boys stuff" or "nerd stuff" as time has gone by, and especially as those interests have become more mainstream. So maybe you hear more about it now.  That's the big difference.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

The Trekkies documentary is how many of the real life Trekkies tend to be. Star Wars fans are typically fat neckbeard types. LOTR fans are like some weird cross between both. Potter fans tended to be more average Joes and Janes and luckily for them, the school uniforms look cool for their embarrassing cosplay.

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

Star Wars is for all people. Not girls more than boys, or boys more than girls, or anyone more than anyone. There is a wide group of fans out there and so far I see little evidence that one is being over-catered to. I'm a guy and I loved TLJ!

[Quintus 5,399]

I haven't paid any attention to the contents of this big thread. I take a peek once a blue moon though, just to remind me why I don't.

 

/leaves

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

15 minutes ago, Quintus said:

I haven't paid any attention to the contents of this big thread. I take a peek once a blue moon though, just to remind me why I don't.

 

/leaves

 

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

On 8/10/2018 at 11:56 AM, Nick1066 said:

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

I believe you have just found the perfect tag for this thread.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/8/10/17661730/star-wars-force-out-hate-twitter-campaign-trolls-last-jedi

[Arpy 4,145]

On 8/11/2018 at 12:46 AM, Horner's Dynamic Range said:

Wars and Trek were both pretty nerdy at that time, despite being so mainstream. I'll say this for Disney. They sure found a way to overcome that. Not to say many of the fans aren't embarrassingly nerdy.

I think you're forgetting to mention that Lord of the Rings was the nerdiest thing of the last century.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

1 minute ago, Arpy said:

I think you're forgetting to mention that Lord of the Rings was the nerdiest thing of the last century.

 

I'd never heard of it until 1999.

[Arpy 4,145]

I was in school at the nerdiest time possible - Harry Potter, Star Wars and Lord of the Rings were all out in cinemas.

[SteveMc 2,674]

25 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said:

 

I'd never heard of it until 1999.

It was next level nerdy.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I never heard of it until the fall of 2001.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Anyone else like Luke's characterisation in TLJ that went against expectation and he turned out to be a grumpy old bugger who'd grown cynical and lost hope? This movie recognises that people change as they get older, which was a refreshing change of pace from the fan demand that he be portrayed as some perfect superhero type imagined in the old EU.

 

It makes me wonder how Rey will be portrayed in subsequent episodes as she gets older. I can imagine Daisy Ridley returning as a jaded older woman where the weight of the universe tragically broke her somehow... maybe even returning to Jakku because that was what was once familiar to her and ends up like that old chook she glanced at curiously for a brief moment in TFA. And then some new poor sap has to go find her for some training, which she's reluctant to give because she'd seen it's not worth it when they can end up like her old crush, Kylo.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Zzzzzzzzz.....

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Rian Johnson should do it!

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

Does anyone remember what The Last Jedi was about?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

It was about the last Jedi.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

Didn't it have Ellie Sattler with anime hair?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I thought it was Diane.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

3 hours ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said:

Anyone else like Luke's characterisation in TLJ that went against expectation and he turned out to be a grumpy old bugger who'd grown cynical and lost hope? This movie recognises that people change as they get older, which was a refreshing change of pace from the fan demand that he be portrayed as some perfect superhero type imagined in the old EU.

 

Fans couldn't cope with this because they consider it herecy! Luke = Jesus!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

17 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

 

Fans couldn't cope with this because they consider it herecy! Luke = Jesus!

 

Interesting!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I just thought his inclusion was pointless. He could have very easily been written out of the movie and Ray given an actual role in the finale rather than the Luke-centric ending we got. He never trains her, he never does anything to advance the plot other than cause a distraction.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

Rey: C'mon, Luke! We need a distraction!

 

Luke: Oh, what do you want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

31 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said:

I just thought his inclusion was pointless. He could have very easily been written out of the movie and Ray given an actual role in the finale rather than the Luke-centric ending we got. He never trains her, he never does anything to advance the plot other than cause a distraction.

 

He can only make so much of an effort for an old fart.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

7 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said:

I just thought his inclusion was pointless. He could have very easily been written out of the movie and Ray given an actual role in the finale rather than the Luke-centric ending we got. He never trains her, he never does anything to advance the plot other than cause a distraction.

 

Not true at all.  He helps to give her context for the connection to the Force she's already feeling but is only able to tap into on instinct.  He helps to define what the Force is and show her how to consciously reach out and feel that connection.

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

I watched The Last Jedi again last night. It was great. 

 

It still feels like a cloud lies over it though, because it's hard not to think about all of those bashers and their comments. But that's the only thing that really takes away from it, so ignoring those thoughts, I sat down and took in the full 2 1/2 hours and I must say it's the same light of elation and excitement, amazement and -WOW- (WOW for that one scene especially) as I had when I first saw it. The moments people are pinning as divisive are only divisive because they make them to be. Leia floating through space while her theme whisks her away on piano is absolutely beautiful, especially in light of Carrie Fisher's death. Luke is touchy, but he justifies it all. There is some off humour, but it's still quite funny. The only movie I know that can really get away with humour just about anywhere is Pirates of the Caribbean. I don't get the plot sometimes, but it's a hell of a lot of fun to watch. Poe and Holdo jousting is actually a neat side plot, showing the riffs that exist even between the good guys. Poe would never have been in favour of Holdo's plan, even if she reasonably told it to him. He wanted to fight. The Canto Bight sequence is there, and it's nothing spectacular but it doesn't suck. The Justin Theroux cameo gets me everytime- "Not now lovey, I'm on a roll". Williams serves up some great music during this time too, so it's all good and well in my book. The movie is long, yes. Things like the Throne Room fight and the Battle of Crait are superb though, the highlights of the movie, along with others.

 

On a cinematic basis, it's very well shot, capturing super close ups, creating awesome images, relatively seamless panning and movement. Some shots are instant favourites.

It's a really great film. Not my favourite film, not my favourite Star Wars film, but very,very good.

[Demodex 557]

Holy shit, this thread is still going on because of one whiny kid that's upset about strong female characters?

On 8/8/2018 at 9:38 PM, Nick Parker said:

 

Far away from the good land of Texas, my friend.

 

That's an oxymoron. There's nothing good about Texas. 

[John 2,032]

I like their chili con carne. 

[SteveMc 2,674]

1 hour ago, Demodex said:

Holy shit, this thread is still going on because of one whiny kid that's upset about strong female characters?

 

That's an oxymoron. There's nothing good about Texas. 

Mattris is, as far as I can tell, somewhere in his late 20s.  Not a kid, really.

 

Texas is hot most of the time, but it is not really a bad place.  There's some very nice spots.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

Re: TLJ (adopts Russian accent)

Ah, for love of God, shut the hell up!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

On 8/14/2018 at 3:54 PM, Jerry said:

I watched The Last Jedi again last night. It was great. 

 

It still feels like a cloud lies over it though, because it's hard not to think about all of those bashers and their comments. But that's the only thing that really takes away from it, so ignoring those thoughts, I sat down and took in the full 2 1/2 hours and I must say it's the same light of elation and excitement, amazement and -WOW- (WOW for that one scene especially) as I had when I first saw it. The moments people are pinning as divisive are only divisive because they make them to be. Leia floating through space while her theme whisks her away on piano is absolutely beautiful, especially in light of Carrie Fisher's death. Luke is touchy, but he justifies it all. There is some off humour, but it's still quite funny. The only movie I know that can really get away with humour just about anywhere is Pirates of the Caribbean. I don't get the plot sometimes, but it's a hell of a lot of fun to watch. Poe and Holdo jousting is actually a neat side plot, showing the riffs that exist even between the good guys. Poe would never have been in favour of Holdo's plan, even if she reasonably told it to him. He wanted to fight. The Canto Bight sequence is there, and it's nothing spectacular but it doesn't suck. The Justin Theroux cameo gets me everytime- "Not now lovey, I'm on a roll". Williams serves up some great music during this time too, so it's all good and well in my book. The movie is long, yes. Things like the Throne Room fight and the Battle of Crait are superb though, the highlights of the movie, along with others.

 

On a cinematic basis, it's very well shot, capturing super close ups, creating awesome images, relatively seamless panning and movement. Some shots are instant favourites.

It's a really great film. Not my favourite film, not my favourite Star Wars film, but very,very good.

 

It works extremely well as a deconstruction of Star Wars and its tropes. Ambitious and daring film, i thought.

[Chen G. 3,944]

Does it really work all that well as a revisionist piece of work? I dunno.

 

I mean, Casino Royale and Skyfall unpacked a lot of the James Bond tropes, but didn't elicit the kind of negative response that The Last Jedi evoked. I'd say those are much better examples of works that defy the "formula" of their franchise. The Last Jedi, though? Meh...

 

And than of course you have the absolute extreme of the deconstructive-film-in-a-popular-genre in Logan, which I know some people do hate, but still.

 

I guess what I'm saying is, The Last Jedi is neither as balsy as the latter film, nor as careful in its deconstruction as the former two. Its still a decent movie, though. But just barely.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

For love of God, shut hell up!

[Chen G. 3,944]

No.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

Come here, and say that.

[Chen G. 3,944]

You do know I'm a retried captain from the IAF, right?

 

Got a war medal for the 2014 Gaza war, too. 😉

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

On 8/19/2018 at 3:41 PM, Stefancos said:

 

It works extremely well as a deconstruction of Star Wars and its tropes. Ambitious and daring film, i thought.

 

Kathleen Kennedy: Nice to meet with you Rian. JJ tells me good things about you. I really liked Hooper.

Ryan Johnson: Looper.

KK: Whatever. So what's your vision for Episode VIII?

RJ: Well Kathy, I'd like to make a film that serves as a deconstruction of Star Wars and its tropes.

KK: "Deconstruct Star Wars?" You want to deconstruct the most beloved film series of all time? Ambitious and daring idea! Do you think the fans will go for that?

RJ: Absolutely. 

KK: Good enough for me. You're hired!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

This thread is like a river of slime.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Mood slime. Oh baby...

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

It's like pure concentrated evil.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

So this thread feeds on bad vibes?

[Nick Parker 3,040]

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

12 hours ago, Steve McQueen said:

Mattris is, as far as I can tell, somewhere in his late 20s.  Not a kid, really.

 

Texas is hot most of the time, but it is not really a bad place.  There's some very nice spots.

The weather in Dallas can get really nice in the winter and fall (but not always).  Just don't go anywhere near Houston.  I swear that place is always humid and 100 degrees (bad drivers too, and it's ugly.  It's basically the Hell of Texas)

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

It wasn't slime! It was ooze! And there's more of it out there!

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

4 minutes ago, Nick Parker said:

The goopster!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Hose him.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

Slime beneath me

Slime up above

You'll love my

TOXIC LOOOOOOOOOOOVE

[SteveMc 2,674]

1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said:

The weather in Dallas can get really nice in the winter and fall (but not always).  Just don't go anywhere near Houston.  I swear that place is always humid and 100 degrees (bad drivers too, and it's ugly.  It's basically the Hell of Texas)

Houston is humid.  They are awful drivers. And it is a bit ugly.

But some of the suburbs are quite nice.

The Woodlands is a lovely place.