Chen G. 3,949 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Pellaeon said: The problem, going back to the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, is that Rey is surely the protagonist across the trilogy. So plopping Luke into the middle act to have his own private little arc in his own head for two and a half hours really lags Rey’s story. I don't think so. Each of these three films is part of the overarching narrative, but also its own thing, especially given how they're made: one at a time, by different filmmakers. At no point was I pointing out that it's Luke's story to criticise The Last Jedi. The film's issues lie elsewhere. Besides, its not like Rey is sitting idly in The Last Jedi. She doesn't have much of an arc, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 The new characters were Disney's first mistake. The sequel trilogy should have just been a continuation of the OT...Luke, Han & Leia flying around the galaxy and getting in space battles and blaster fights and lightsaber duels and blowin' stuff up. You've got R2 & 3P0 there for comic relief, and the ever reliable Chewy. Toss Lando the keys to the Falcon every once in a while and let Leia swing around a light sabre for a few minutes to satisfy the SJW's. Bob's yer Uncle, 6 billion dollar trilogy. If it ain't broke don't fix it! Give the people what they want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2018 Don't any of you ever want to talk about movies you like instead of endlessly going round in circles pointing out the same "flaws" (in the eye of the beholder) in TLJ over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over? John, mstrox and Kasey Kockroach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Yeah, why would you want to use a discussion board to discuss... I think its a very interesting discussion we're having here. Certainly more engaging than the previous 26 pages. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted June 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2018 Sometimes I think that The Last Jedi is TOO good. A real flaw! Brónach, Kasey Kockroach and Disco Stu 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Chen G. said: Yeah, why would you want to use a discussion board to discuss... What part of " over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over" is eluding you? See, I'm okay, because I like to talk about why I like The Last Jedi over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 None of this happened when BloodBoal was here. Bilbo and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Mmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: Yeah, why would you want to use a discussion board to discuss... I think its a very interesting discussion we're having here. Certainly more engaging than the previous 26 pages. I won’t mince words. I think JWFan is a lesser place since you joined. Your faux-professorial, supercilious nonsense is tiresome and, frankly, everything you’ve ever posted is like shrill nails on a chalkboard to me. Or a fork scratching a plate. I view you as an enemy of all that is fun and wonderful and interesting about this messageboard. You’re like a neck beard, personified. If JWFan is like a bar, as esteemed and favored member TGP likes to put it, you're the drunk guy who won't stop talking loudly and makes me want to just leave and find a different watering hole. I’ve had that bottled up for quite a while. Maybe some people think of me in a similar way, I dunno. Maybe I should just take another break. Sigh. Stu’s off the reservation again haha Bilbo, Chen G. and Sharkissimo 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 I think your alright Stu, good to get this kind of thing off your chest, and this is the thread to do it. For my part, I'm happy to give all posts a hearing. To continue the bar analogy, I suppose I'm the kinda lonely guy who wanders in from time to time to chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve McQueen said: To continue the bar analogy, I suppose I'm the kinda lonely guy who wanders in from time to time to chat. That's how I am most of the time. Everyone has a night where they just lose it, I guess. 1 minute ago, Steve McQueen said: this is the thread to do it. This is officially the thread to absorb all the hostility of JWFan? Goodness. It's like an obscurial (that one's for the nerds). Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: That's how I am most of the time. Everyone has a night where they just lose it, I guess. I hear you brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: This is officially the thread to absorb all the hostility of JWFan? Goodness. It's like an obscurial (that one's for the nerds). Ever see Eyes Wide Shut? It's like that movie. John and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Please, come forward Chen G. May I have...the password? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 Not Mr. Big, The Illustrious Jerry, Disco Stu and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Batman's Diet Coke said: You found it. The perfect reaction to this thread. As always I regret letting peevishness get the best of me. It was immature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 It happens. In this thread it will take far more than that to make you look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 John, Not Mr. Big, Disco Stu and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Chen G. said: Besides, its not like Rey is sitting idly in The Last Jedi. She doesn't have much of an arc, but still. She has the strongest arc of the whole movie! SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 No, Noah has the strongest arc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 *shakes head* Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Gruesome Son of a Bitch and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 How the hell did I miss this thread? It's 28 pages and only recent. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Anyone else hate SJW Star Wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I reserve such intense, exhausting feelings such as hatred for things like raisins, wasps or Michael Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 25/05/2018 at 6:30 PM, Stefancos said: Shouldn't Kennedy be the one who is laughing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Kennedy died in 1963... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, TGP said: Anyone else hate SJW Star Wars? That is the password...for admittance. But may I ask, what is the password for the house? Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Nick, don't you think you might just be over dramatizing this a little bit? There must be some way you can get me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: She has the strongest arc of the whole movie! Really? what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Luke has the biggest arc in the film! Chen G. and Mattris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, TGP said: Nick, don't you think you might just be over dramatizing this a little bit? There must be some way you can get me in. Remove your clothes. Also, screw SJW Star Wars, you wanna groan, read SJW essays on Kubrick films. Holy smokes 10 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Really? what is it? I was gonna answer that, until I realized I already did less than 24 hours ago, last page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Also, screw SJW Star Wars, you wanna groan, read SJW essays on Kubrick films. Holy smokes Gotta link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 8 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I won’t mince words. I think JWFan is a lesser place since you joined. Your faux-professorial, supercilious nonsense is tiresome and, frankly, everything you’ve ever posted is like shrill nails on a chalkboard to me. Or a fork scratching a plate. I view you as an enemy of all that is fun and wonderful and interesting about this messageboard. You’re like a neck beard, personified. If JWFan is like a bar, as esteemed and favored member TGP likes to put it, you're the drunk guy who won't stop talking loudly and makes me want to just leave and find a different watering hole. I’ve had that bottled up for quite a while. Maybe some people think of me in a similar way, I dunno. Maybe I should just take another break. Sigh. Stu’s off the reservation again haha He’s read “a” book on film theory for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Gotta link? Check this out: http://www.signature-reads.com/2018/05/eyes-wide-shut-meets-a-new-age-of-hetero-anxiety/ The dude brings up some valid points, and it's plausible if sometimes probable that Kubrick intended some of the things the author mentions, but some of the conclusions he reaches? Ai yai yai. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted June 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 @Disco StuI've never gotten that impression from Chen, and quite frankly I find it's snarky remarks that follow on from your post to be more irritating than anything Chen might say. No, I don't find discussing and debating whatever issue, be it as inane as TLJ discussion or whatever else we're here to talk about, a blight on this forum. After, what, 26 pages of discussion that you weren't involved in you're going to call out Chen for his views? He brought up some valid arguments for and against TLJ, there wasn't anything 'faux-professional' or pseudointellectual about him. How has JWFan been affected by the supposed blight of Chen's presence? There's no one on this forum I've disagreed with more than @Chen G. at times, well, probably Mattris and Skyy338 and I can't imagine it would be any better without him. What I can imagine is a less snarky and condescending reception one gets when they have opposing views to the 'old guard' on here... Not Mr. Big, Chen G. and The Illustrious Jerry 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I'm just gonna say that I really like the film's fake third act (it really is a classic script structure with post-midpoint stuff, but it feels like a third act) followed by the other stuff. By managing it like this it has a climax for everyone, but also has a subtle deconstruction-reconstruction (all the arcs are a bit like this) which I like (because one thing's for sure, the film really loves Star Wars, in a more interesting way than TFA) oh god today it's not a good day to explain myself. I need more coffee. MORE COFFEE. This movie is very important to me, for personal reasons, but I guess it also has to do with taste. At least, while loving Star Wars (I didn't expect to love the series again), it has references beyond Star Wars itself. That and more of a worldbuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Interesting. I found the false third act to be one of the detractors of the film. Its just too much. There's, I suppose, a discussion to be held on what makes a false third act work as opposed to not, because more often than not - they don't work all too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 What other examples do you have in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Did John change the title of the thread? That's hilarious mstrox and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 @Disco Stu...Dude, take the Horcrux around your neck off and step back. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Dude, take the Horcrux around your neck off and step back. I may regret posting it, but I meant every word. My mistake was ever clicking "Show this post" over the past months. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I can feeel yaw angaah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I'm a pretty tolerant dude, generally. Some people just rub you the wrong way. But I shouldn't have aired my feelings publicly. It's out there now. Shrug. I want to forget about it. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 What did this thread used to be called? EDIT: Oh snap! Is this the TLJ Critique thread, that junk from the Solo thread, and the SWD Support Group thread all mixed into one? If so, it is an appropriate title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 The Official Thread to Severin Posting Pictures of His Dog and Kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted June 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2018 Naboo...a planet ruled entirely by teenage girls. Their phone bill must be outrageous! Unlucky Bastard, The Illustrious Jerry and Chen G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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