Holko 9,499 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's totally unrealistic! Listen to what they say and how when he starts playing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 He's playing it off an old paper and doesn't say it's by THE Vivaldi, it's just by some guy called Vivaldi (mispronounced). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Holko said: He's playing it off an old paper and doesn't say it's by THE Vivaldi, it's just by some guy called Vivaldi (mispronounced). Yeah, but you don't expect a schoolboy to have deep knowledge about any of the baroque composers. He could just as well have mispronounced Pachelbel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Could someone tell me whether the Vivaldi concerto that's included on the expanded soundtrack is used as source music in the film, or is it used as regular underscoring? Didn't you read the liner notes in the booklet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay said: Didn't you read the liner notes in the booklet? So far I've only got a digital review copy, which doesn't include the booklet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Slacker! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, but you don't expect a schoolboy to have deep knowledge about any of the baroque composers. He could just as well have mispronounced Pachelbel. Who says he did? Who says any of them did? It could have been a random parchment nobody cared about from his great-great-grandfather that he got off the attic when he started playing the guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, Holko said: Who says he did? Who says any of them did? It could have been a parchment from his great-great-grandfather that he got off the attic when he started playing the guitar. I think we're talking past each other here. My point is just that it's very unlikely he had a parchment of a Vivaldi concerto laying around. 21 minutes ago, Jay said: Slacker! The shipping charge to Norway is so substantial that I prefer to collect several releases in one order. But I'm not sure I'm getting this, as the complete listening experience isn't that good, while the concert overture really contains all I want. And I have a policy of not buying CDs I don't think I'll listen to. The sound quality is great, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Anybody knows when the concert overture based on The Cowboys was premiered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Anybody knows when the concert overture based on The Cowboys was premiered? Well it was recorded with the BPO on a Phillips album in 1982. JW surely played it on concert or on TV following that record, I don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bespin said: Well it was recorded with the BPO on a Phillips album in 1982. JW surely played it on concert or on TV following that record, I don’t know. Are we sure he didn't play it in concert before the recording was released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Anybody knows when the concert overture based on The Cowboys was premiered? You really need to buy this release man Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 False Mike, it was first released in a 82 album, not on the 87 by request compilation. Another one that don’t consult my discography... 🙄 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, Bespin said: False Mike, it was released in a 82 album, then on the 87 by request compilation. Another one that don’t consult my discography... Who’s Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 MM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,342 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Who’s Mike? Mattesino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Ahhhh. Isn’t Pops Around the World from ‘81? Either way, yes it was recorded and released before he ‘87 album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 82. Mike Matessino’s liners notes can’t be trusted anymore, sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 The liner notes do NOT claim it was first released on By Request, simply that it is available there. Since most of the other Philips CDs are long OOP but that one's still in print, it makes sense to me to mention that one. Of course it was first released on the '82 Pops album Pops Around The World https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E2KO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Matessino saved on a technicality! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 He didn't need to be saved from anything, the notes are accurate and Bespin interpreted them wrong. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Geez... I have read ridiculous things here, but this is the best one. 8 minutes ago, Jay said: He didn't need to be saved from anything, the notes are accurate and Bespin interpreted them wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Matessino’s reputation had a close shave here today Jurassic Shark and MrJosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 13 hours ago, Jay said: You really need to buy this release man I would practically never listen to it because of the annoying Long Hair motif which is everywhere, like sand after a visit to the beach. And I don't buy CDs I'm not going to listen to, and I'm certainly not buying it for the inaccurate liner notes. The concert overture contains all I really need. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 In retrospect it was a waste of my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I prefer my other cds. I really like the sound but the score is best listened to in large portions. Not small bits. Its now on my cd shelf unlikely to come off it anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, JoeinAR said: the score is best listened to in large portions. Not small bits. I don't understand what this means? The old Varese CD was 30 minutes, and the main program of this is 60 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I'd say it's the other way around - it's best to listen to in small bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 I think the main program of this CD is a solid hour of listening experience. It tells a complete story with lots of variety and theme interplay along the way. I don't really listen to the bonus tracks. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, Jay said: I don't understand what this means? The old Varese CD was 30 minutes, and the main program of this is 60 minutes. I like the concert pieces best heard on JW compilations as opposed to the short tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Ah ok. JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jay said: I don't really listen to the bonus tracks. I prefer the Exit Music over the End Cast. Even though the former is just edited together, it's a more fitting conclusion, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Wow, that's a surprising opinion. I think the entire End Title and End Cast track is really nice, though come to think of it I do prefer the alternate one than the one in the main program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 16 hours ago, Jay said: He didn't need to be saved from anything, the notes are accurate and Bespin interpreted them wrong. Bespin needs to create a list of his mistakes/corrections/inaccuracies/confusions in his lists. Jay and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Wow, that's a surprising opinion. I think the entire End Title and End Cast track is really nice, though come to think of it I do prefer the alternate one than the one in the main program I didn't say anything about the End Title, which is indeed good. I was referring exclusively to the End Cast, which is basically a long, repetitive fadeout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Yea, I getcha. I don't mind the program ending that way. It's nice. Like all their problems are solved, and they can go off quietly into the night. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 It's just not a great ending - and I do dislike fade-outs in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I just got a chance to listen to this yesterday, and enjoyed it a lot. It's fun to hear John Williams in a different mode, with some unusual sounds that didn't reappear much in his later, more familiar scores. There was some nice use of percussion, especially in The Execution, and one track even featured guitar used in a propulsive, almost percussive way (forget which one). An early score like this sounds almost experimental, when you're used to the more symphonic sound he ultimately settled on. Morricone's influence, perhaps. And it's a great showcase for one of my favorite aspects of Williams' writing, his ability to write themes that work in a particular mode (heroic, for example), then transform them throughout a score to evoke a completely different tone, as needed. Has anyone broken down what's in the bonus tracks? I'm trying to figure out which ones to keep. From the liner notes, it sounded like some were just alternate takes, rather than alternate compositions. From what I can tell so far, End Title and End Cast (track 35) looks like it's the only really significant alternate composition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 A fun way to listen to the new Expanded Set, is to reproduce the Varèse old CD... but using the new CD tracks. It can't be exactly 100 % the same, but it's pleasant to listen to this playlist. This way, some less important or shorter cues are omitted, so it's more "condensed". Another thing, I'm still not convinced that the track "Overture" is a big win as the first track of a CD... I'm not used to it. It may be C&C... but...but...but... on an album... Try this playlist @JoeinAR, a very good 31 min. program. 01 Main Title and The Cowboys 02 Anybody That Tall 03 Training Montage 04 Long Hair and The Roundup 05 The Hands Quit 06 The Kids and Crazy Alice 07 Wil and Ann 08 Overture 09 Nightlinger's Tale 10 Long Hair's Threat 11 The Battle 12 The First Night 13 Charlie's Burial 14 Into the Trap 15 To Belle Fourche 16 End Title and End Cast (alternate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Cowboys is a good listening, but unless you're a big fan of it, everything you need is on the "Overture" 1987 CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I have been listening to the old Varèse CD, and it just makes me want to listen to the concert overture. The middle section of the concert overture has really grown on me. A magnificent evocation of the American Great Plains. Nothing on the soundtrack sounds so grand. I presume the improved sound on the new CD makes a difference, but, it’s pretty low down on my list, currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Has anybody thought about how to make an approximation of the overture by combining tracks from the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Why would anyone want to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Bespin said: A fun way to listen to the new Expanded Set, is to reproduce the Varèse old CD... but using the CD tracks. It can't be exactly 100 % the same, ...because you'd have to include the so-called "alternate" main title. 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Why would anyone want to do that? To figure out exactly which parts of the concert overture JW arranged especially for the, well, concert overture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I think there's a piece in the Overture that JW wrote exclusively for it and it's not part of the film recordings, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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