Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted June 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2018 Quote Quote Mike, I think you need to use your influence to tell Jay Dubya what a great idea it would to let you loose on STORY OF A WOMAN, SUGARLAND EXPRESS, DRACULA...you know where I'm going with this He has said no to Story and Sugarland but be patient. He is far more comfortable with these projects than he used to be so he may eventually come around. I was recently reminded that after he conducted E.T. in 2002 he said that it wasn't the kind of event that should be done all the time, but now it's a major thing and at least a dozen of his scores are being done that way regularly along with many others. Everything evolves. But it can be like watching the minute hand on a clock - you don't see it move, but if you stare at it for several minutes you know that it is. http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=129323&forumID=1&archive=0 Holko, Once, pete and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Those will happen after his passing, I'm sure. No idea what stance his wife and children would take on these kinds of releases, or what instructions Williams himself might leave behind. It's not like the estates of pop stars where there's countless millions to be made from mercenary, cynical repackagings. These are passion projects for diehard enthusiasts only, really. I'm patient! Not that I'm waiting for his death. God no. I hope he composes new music until he's 125! Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted June 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2018 basically he said nothing at all bollemanneke, Gruesome Son of a Bitch, tmarps and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 As long as we get the complete Harry Potter and the Star Wars prequels in my lifetime, I'm happy. As for the rest like the complete Dracula, Sugarland Express, etc.... I've found that I don't absolutely need to have them. It'd be great if we got them, sure, but I can equally live without them. aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 From the same thread Quote Quote Just so we know to be *particularly* more patient, can you confirm any other titles he has turned down, for now, beyond Sugarland, Storia, and Rare Breed (the latter two also confirmed by Roger over at the Intrada board)? Or is other stuff besides those three pretty much fair game for hope? Yavar Yes, those three were rejected, for now. I don't want to comment on any others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I’m confused... I thought a complete Dracula release wasn’t possible? Unless if we’re talking about a remastered OST or the supposed mono tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 'Dracula' was 'prevented' from a re-recording by Tadlow by Williams or his camp. On the other hand, the masters seem to be AWOL. Varése obviously wanted to release still-available mono tracks at some point, which also didn't happen for some reason. So i guess it's a myriad of reasons, not the least that people in the know think it might turn up. So it probably will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 The thing I would be mostly interested in to know, but we'll never know since it's too personal, is WHY he rejected releases of those scores? Because he thinks less of them? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Sometimes composers don't like the performance or found the whole assignment lacking, or in case of 'Sugarland', the music by design was simple and percussive lending itself not to a separate release apart form the few melodic bits (totaling maybe 8 or 10 minutes). Remember, Goldsmith stopped a complete release of Star Trek - The Motion Picture, basically only allowing a few cues to bring it up to 60+ minutes. Unthinkable today. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: The thing I would be mostly interested in to know, but we'll never know since it's too personal, is WHY he rejected releases of those scores? Because he thinks less of them? It could be that in some cases he thinks they're not musically interesting enough to be presented on disc, but I think more often than not it's a matter of sound quality. It seems JW still has a very keen ear about what sounds good and what doesn't. 1 hour ago, publicist said: Remember, Goldsmith stopped a complete release of Star Trek - The Motion Picture, basically only allowing a few cues to bring it up to 60+ minutes. Unthinkable today. Curiously enough, for the 1996 Sony Legacy expanded release, Jerry approved only the inclusion of cues that were written by him and not the ones that were written, according to cue sheet, by Sandy Courage and Fred Steiner. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 He has said no to Story and Sugarland but be patient. He is far more comfortable with these projects than he used to be so he may eventually come around. I was recently reminded that after he conducted E.T. in 2002 he said that it wasn't the kind of event that should be done all the time, but now it's a major thing and at least a dozen of his scores are being done that way regularly along with many others. Everything evolves. But it can be like watching the minute hand on a clock - you don't see it move, but if you stare at it for several minutes you know that it is. Interesting that he doesn't comment on Dracula. This could be an indirect confirmation that it's in the works... That_Bloke and aescalle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Jay = J, Dubya = W. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,492 Posted June 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2018 As I've said before, it's disheartening that he boycotted STORIA -- the greatest unreleased Williams score so far -- but I sense a glimmer of hope when Matessino said he's 'thawing up' on such matters. Hopefully, it's just a matter of time. An ALCOA box set is also a tantalizing, mouth-watering prospect. crumbs, Yavar Moradi and A. A. Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Not that I'm waiting for his death. God no. I hope he composes new music until he's 125! I hope Williams never dies so Thor never gets to hear the unreleased scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 He basicaly said we just have to sit and wait for Williams to wake up in a good mood some day, after a long night of wild sex with his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,096 Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 I think one of the reasons why Williams rejected the idea of these early scores from coming around today, is that they are highly dated and primitive from his own evolution point of view as a composer. I think he is a bit embarrassed about them. We all know how we feel as an artist if something that was created ages ago and revisiting it becomes a moment of anguish. Also another reason would be the sonic quality of those tapes which were not up to the mark or the performances of that orchestra/ensemble. I remember the original recording of the JAWS score was not possible for release because Williams didn't want it out But now we know it was primarily a pseudo-mono styled recording made to fit the dynamics of the film. Thankfully technology allowed it to happen with Mike Matessino at the helm (And we know how the first cd release of that score turned out to be) Speaking of Matessino, it seems that Williams is now unusually warming up to many new expansions as Williams and his management team trust his expertise, ethics, skills and insight into the restoration process. This new THE COWBOYS is another example of this fruitful relationship blossoming. Each new release gives us hope and edges up a notch for more projects to happen. So, yes, give it some time and and many more wonderful surprises are in store for us. I will wait and champion my support to Mike and the labels. Chewy, Arpy, Not Mr. Big and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laserschwert 475 Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 Or maybe he killed someone during the recording sessions, which can be faintly heard in the background of the recording, and he doesn't want MM to recover this dark detail of his past during remastering. Chewy, Smeltington, That_Bloke and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 You mean during the recording sessions for all of the scores he doesn't wanna release? That_Bloke and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I would love to have a complete edition of the DRACULA score! And some others rareties from this score. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,492 Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Amer said: I think one of the reasons why Williams rejected the idea of these early scores from coming around today, is that they are highly dated and primitive from his own evolution point of view as a composer. Yes and no. I can understand this sentiment in relation to something like SUGARLAND, but not STORIA. It's a lush, romantic score and a perfect flipside to the other romantic score he did that year, JANE EYRE. And we know how much he likes that. STORIA's disadvantage, however, is that it's a far more obscure film, and not a very good one. So that may colour his judgement or memory of it. My guess, anyway. Someone needs to refresh his memory by actually playing him the audio rip of the fantastic Cortina sequence! Yavar Moradi, Amer and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,096 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Thor said: Yes and no. I can understand this sentiment in relation to something like SUGARLAND, but not STORIA. It's a lush, romantic score and a perfect flipside to the other romantic score he did that year, JANE EYRE. And we know how much he likes that. STORIA's disadvantage, however, is that it's a far more obscure film, and not a very good one. So that may colour his judgement or memory of it. My guess, anyway. Someone needs to refresh his memory by actually playing him the audio rip of the fantastic Cortina sequence! Yes another good point the movie is quite an odd one from his filmography and its disappointment could be another issue. But having heard the music from the online sources I must say its quite a passionate work but very much in the dated sound of its period. Oh well, lets wait and see. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: You mean during the recording sessions for all of the scores he doesn't wanna release? It was a slow and painful death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Give us Symphony #1 from 1966! dtw42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Do you guys think Matessino could ever recover Jane Eyre? I know LLL said it was lost and all that, but does that really mean lost forever? Is there no hope at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Unless the history of every copy is thoroughly documented (which they of course aren't) or they're digital files (which Jane Eyre definitely wasn't), there's always the slight chance that someone has a bootleg copy or even the first grade masters lying around in their garage, junkyard or deep in the bowels of a warehouse. Coming across these is only by chance - and if a hoarder finds the proper session tapes for Jane Eyre and Dracula, he still has to recognize it and give it back to the studio/label/rights owner or else it's still as good as lost for everyone else on the planet. Or a master turns up when the studio finally decides to actually try looking for it - like with Alien 3's digital masters. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I forget exactly what I read regarding Jane Eyre, but the session masters do appear to be lost to time (aka destroyed or permanently irrecoverable). Wasn't that score the catalyst for Williams personally archiving his original handwritten scores, after having to transcribe the concert arrangement for Jane Eyre by ear (after the studio misplaced/destroyed his handwritten score)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 With old, lost movies I believe the official expression is "now considered lost" because of how fickle these things are. Technically, any day there's a tiny chance a random guy could come forth with a decent film strip of London After Midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You mean during the recording sessions for all of the scores he doesn't wanna release? For all the scores, period. But later he got Shawn Murphy to record them with such blurry acoustics that the screams cannot be heard on the recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 hours ago, rough cut said: Give us Symphony #1 from 1966! Not gonna happen. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Do you guys think Matessino could ever recover Jane Eyre? I know LLL said it was lost and all that, but does that really mean lost forever? Is there no hope at all? Are you asking whether we think Magic Mike Matessino could make the master tapes to Jane Eyre suddenly materialize out of thin air? Of course we do! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 JANE EYRE is not unreleased. It has a perfect soundtrack. Not sure why it's being brought up in this thread. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Some are clearly dreaming about a complete release, although not your cup of tea. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 Give us John Williams: The Complete Collection 1000 CD Boxset! Amer, Once and crumbs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Yeah, and 700 of them are empty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Thor said: JANE EYRE is not unreleased. It has a perfect soundtrack. Not sure why it's being brought up in this thread. same reason we keep shouting for Azkaban Once and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 There's a John Williams Dracula score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Yes, film was in 1979. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 12:50 AM, publicist said: Sometimes composers don't like the performance or found the whole assignment lacking, or in case of 'Sugarland', the music by design was simple and percussive lending itself not to a separate release apart form the few melodic bits (totaling maybe 8 or 10 minutes). Remember, Goldsmith stopped a complete release of Star Trek - The Motion Picture, basically only allowing a few cues to bring it up to 60+ minutes. Unthinkable today. Goldsmith was right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,383 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Goldsmith was right! Not in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Agreed. The playing on STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE is consistently top-notch. One can only assume that Jerry nixed a C+C for the reasons noted above, and not for any reasons of sub-standard playing. 7 hours ago, Demodex said: There's a John Williams Dracula score? 7 hours ago, El Jefe said: Yes, film was in 1979. The guy joined JWfan in 2005, Mark; I'm sure he knows that there's a DRACULA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I had actually never heard of it before this thread. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Demodex said: I had actually never heard of it before this thread. Check it out! There was a recording for sale (12 tracks), but the complete recording has a holy grail status here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 There's only 11 tracks. The track you've posted is the final track, End Titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, Demodex said: I had actually never heard of it before this thread. That's ok; I'd never heard of it, before 1979. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 How long is the complete score anyway? Don't think I've ever seen a breakdown of how much music is unreleased, relative to the OST. I guess part of the 'Holy Grail' status comes from the fact that, like Jane Eyre, urban legend says the scoring sessions are lost to time. I've never actually seen Dracula but the brief clips on YouTube look like it was shot yesterday! And Williams' score underpins the drama superbly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 4 hours ago, crumbs said: How long is the complete score anyway? Don't think I've ever seen a breakdown of how much music is unreleased, relative to the OST. Everything heard in the film is unreleased, as the official album is a re-recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Is that confirmed now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 DRACULA deserves no mention in this thread. It has a perfectly fine soundtrack album already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, Thor said: DRACULA deserves no mention in this thread. It has a perfectly fine soundtrack album already. Wasn't the OST a rerecording, or am I imagining it? Btw, you gotta check out Bes' LP rip. The sound is so much clearer than on the Varese CD, with a much needed boost to the treble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 You imagine it. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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