Bespin 8,480 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Chewy said: How can you know which one is at the right speed? Using my electronic piano and my ears. Maybe those days, a guy like Mike Matessino use ProTools to help him to adjust the speed of an analogue recording. A thing is sure, it's not automatic. You have to tune a certain part or a certain sustained note of a recording. But not long time ago, it was done using our ears and a keyboard... And So I still do it this way. But this morning my ears tricked me. And let say it, that's not the easiest partition to tune, with all those semi-tone variations! Welcome to the wonderfull world of analogue recordings! aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 The Blu should be a good indication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Richard said: The Blu should be a good indication. The music as it appears in a movie is perhaps the least good point of comparison for checking the speed of a score, especially in those years... where it could have been slow down or speed up for particular scenes. After all, it's just "music"! Before Pro Tools, there was only one way to adjust the speed of an analogue recording: with a keyboard and a pair of good ears. Even using Pro Tools, it's not a 100 % scientific thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 In that case, the original vinyl should be the touchstone. Personally, and on older scores, I use memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, Richard said: In that case, the original vinyl should be the touchstone. Personally, and on older scores, I use memory. Not two tape players turns at the exact same speed (and it have to be [re]calibrated, if not often... from time to time). Not two turntables turns at the same exact speed (then again it have to [re]calibrated of not often, but from time to time). And on some turntables using rubber strap, you have to know that when they get older, it can affect the playing speed. Two different LP pressings (from two different labels, by example) featuring the same source material could run at different speed, if the two tape players they used to make the transfers where not calibrated exactly the same way. I don't know what people don't understand, but there is never one "truth" when we deal with analogue material.... 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I'll just dig out the sheet music, and see what key and tempo it's in. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bespin said: Not two tape players turns at the exact same speed (and it have to be [re]calibrated, if not often... from time to time). Not two turntables turns at the same exact speed (then again it have to [re]calibrated of not often, but from time to time). And on some turntables using rubber strap, you have to know that when they get older, it can affect the playing speed. Two different LP pressings (from two different labels, by example) featuring the same source material could run at different speed, if the two tape players they used to make the transfers where not calibrated exactly the same way. I don't know what people don't understand, but there is never one "truth" when we deal with analogue material.... 😉 Just line it up to the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 Just now, Stefancos said: Just line it up to the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, Richard said: I'll just dig out the sheet music, and see what key and tempo it's in. It's about time you came forward! Do you also have the master tapes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bespin said: It will be more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 I never know if you are serious or if you joke, Steefy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Is there really a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Is there really a difference? I ask, because I know he's under high medication. I understand that he can loose some parts sometimes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Are you implying he's a leper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Are you implying he's a leper? Mental parts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Look, he's even got his own theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's about time you came forward! Do you also have the master tapes? ...for a price... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/14/2018 at 7:30 PM, Bespin said: I never know if you are serious or if you joke, Steefy. CD's don't play at a possibly incorrect speed. One advantage of digital. Why not use that instead of relying on guesswork? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Depends on whether the digital transfer used the correct speed in the first place. The 2008 Indy CDs are all over the place in terms of speed. If it's not a specialty label release from the last 10-15 years, or a completely digital recording where speed can't really change unless deliberately edited, you have no reason to assume its correctness regardless of the carrier medium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 We have no reason to assume the Dracula OST plays at an incorrect speed or pitch. It was noticed with the Concord Indy set within days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 At the end, what I tried to say is that the varese sarabande Dracula seems indeed at the right speed. And the guy that sent me the WAVs has correctly calibrated his turntable, so I didn’t change the speed of his rip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/14/2018 at 7:30 PM, Bespin said: I never know if you are serious or if you joke, Steefy. 7 minutes ago, Bespin said: At the end, what I tried to say is that the varese sarabande Dracula seems indeed at the right speed. So I compared my restoration to it. The guy that sent me the WAVs has correctly calibrated his turntable, so I didn’t change the speed of his rip. Do you know now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 All I wanted to do is sow confusion in people’s mind. DONE! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Like Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Like Trump? I think Trump has a lot of confusion in his own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 No, i think he knows what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 He can still know what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 From Dracula to Trump. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 There's a certain similarly between the two characters. One sucks the life out of people, the other just sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 I opened the door, you are so predictable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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