Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Nah. Pinocchio's better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Who the hell are Horner's Dynamic Range and Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya?! Why do we have two guys that constantly change their names?! No wonder they get mixed up by people! They both can be referred to as "the guy that always changes his username"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Williams has one advantage over Horner. He didn't die in a plane crash but he almost did back in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Was Williams supposed to fly back to the bad bad town on the morning of 9/11? 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Who the hell are Horner's Dynamic Range and Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya?! Why do we have two guys that constantly change their names?! No wonder they get mixed up by people! They both can be referred to as "the guy that always changes his username"! Just who the hell are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think Horner was better at: - Evoking emotion in general through his music - Choral writing - Ethnic music And JW: - Action music - Integration of leitmotifs - Concert arrangements of his music - Americana - Orchestrations I think Horner was far more adaptable than JW but I think the overal quality of JW’s writing is better. It’s also worth noting that Horner may have not even reached his peak. Can’t we just love them both? SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 You never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: You never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice! Somebody’s gonna make a “Titanic vs. ET” poll and the ensuing wars will break JWFan asunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Why does Hollywood even bother making movies anymore if James Horner is no longer alive to score them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Just who the hell are you? I am Brundlefly, since December 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Depends on what you mean by "better". If you mean better in terms of compositional technique, then the answer is no. But if you mean better in terms of expressing raw emotion then the answer is also no. Fabulin and Marcus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Loert said: Depends on what you mean by "better". If you mean better in terms of compositional technique, then the answer is no. But if you mean better in terms of expressing raw emotion then the answer is also no. Yeah I've been seeing all these people talk about how Horner was better at expressing emotions like it's some self-evident thing and I'm like, "You cray cray" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 James Horner was better at animated film music than John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 To answer the OOP question, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 At his best, he was one of the finest. At his worst, he was still above most. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 In my lifetime it has been Williams Goldsmith and Horner in that order. And I mean that over Herrman Newman Steiner Tiomkin and all the other early film greats. William Goldsmith and Horner have No contemporaries. Certainly none in the current crop of so called talent. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Not if, I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 That you did. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Wow a considerate roach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Looks more like a california raisin to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I get that a lot. Not a deliberate influence/inspiration, but I recognize the similarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I think as long as your guy doesn't start singing golden oldies of the 1950s and 60s you're in the clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I confessedly often like to conceive stories for Kasey, Nikita, Slam, Boober and Iris in my head while listening to film scores. Kasey and Iris while listening to Lando's Closet from Solo, for example. It's long been my main judge for whether or not I like a score. Can I imagine a solid story to this music? Then it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Try this: Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,377 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 "Anyone else think James Horner is better than John Williams?" Sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 12:22 PM, Loert said: Depends on what you mean by "better". If you mean better in terms of compositional technique, then the answer is no. But if you mean better in terms of expressing raw emotion then the answer is also no. Williams leaves me almost devoid of emotion more often than not. Complex, recognizable, but emotional? Not to me it isn't. To each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Depends on which emotion we're talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 Because I have had little experience with emotions, it is difficult for me to articulate the sensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Don't be frightened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 3:46 AM, Alex said: Can’t we just love them both? Exactly this. I in fact do. I also love Barry, Goldsmith, Bernstein, Poledouris, Silvestri and others without feeling the need to rank or compare them to one another. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I rank them depending on whose music consistently tells the most interesting and fun stories in my head during listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I don't do that. When I listen to music I mean. Not in such a literal sense at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Because, presumably, you don't have characters you daydream stories for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I used to daydream to film scores a lot back in the day, but I lost that compulsion at some time ago. Maybe I should start doing it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Daydreaming is indeed quite divine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just never been the way my brain processes music. I'm in it for the musical narrative. At most, my imagination will conjure images. But usually not involving characters. For some reason, a recurring image which enters my head time and time again is a solitary tree in a foggy, snow covered field. I sometimes wish I was an artist so I could paint it. Obviously, that image usually occurs to me while listening to slower, more contemplative music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 And then during action music, the tree pulls out a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Like I said, my imagination goes to something more akin to paintings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Have you guys ever been in situations where people have tried to grandstand on their imagination, trying to put you down because you're not as "imaginative" as they are? Something like "You only see _colors_ when you listen to music? When _I_ listen to music, I see all kinds of visuals and stories." I've had stuff like this happen to me before, I'm just asking if you guys can relate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Sometimes I'm really dull and just visualize the orchestra playing. Sometimes with myself as the conductor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Disco Stu said: Sometimes I'm really dull and just visualize the orchestra playing. Sometimes with myself as the conductor. When stories aren't playing in my head, I just imagine this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Sometimes I'm really dull and just visualize the orchestra playing. Sometimes with myself as the conductor. Really livin' up to the name Stu, there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 11 hours ago, NL197 said: Williams leaves me almost devoid of emotion more often than not. Complex, recognizable, but emotional? Not to me it isn't. To each their own. There's a kind of...phoniness (?) to a lot of Williams' music that tends to annoy me. It's like he's saying musically that this is what it's supposed to sound like. When Horner composed, it was more real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Horner's Dynamic Range said: There's a kind of...phoniness (?) to a lot of Williams' music that tends to annoy me. It's like he's saying musically that this is what it's supposed to sound like. When Horner composed, it was more real. Stole the punctuation right from my brain while I was reading this post. I don't even know where you're coming from at all with this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Williams music has sounded too stuffy to me. Like he needed to loosen his collar or somethin'. I've figured I just need a break from his stuff for awhile (except his shark and dinosaur music, I'll never need a break from that). Open the window, mister Ross, there's a draft in here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Really livin' up to the name Stu, there. What's wrong with my name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: What's wrong with my name? Oh, well nothing's _wrong_ with it. It's a perfectly acceptable, respectable name that suits your predilections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I don't even go by Stu irl anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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