Quintus 5,399 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I've seen a fair few Star Trek movies and various episodes of its TV shows over the years, and while I'm not exactly an ardent follower of the franchise, I feel like I'm still able recognise the good from the bad. The original series, TNG, DS9, Voyager; they all had their highlights and are generally decent quality overall (if you are able to enjoy that sort of thing). Movie wise we have Wrath of Kahn, The Voyage Home, The Undiscovered Country, First Contact, Abrams' reboot movie... all of which are fairly entertaining adventures and are overall worthwhile filmic additions to the ST universe. So for me that means all of the others I've seen aren't as good as The Orville: TMP Search for Spock Final Frontier Generations Insurrection Nemesis Enterprise Discovery Which begs the question: is Star Trek really better than everything? I think The Orville proves it really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The Orville is better than all Star Trek movies. Every one of them. Even the good ones (Star Trek belongs on TV). 1977, Yavar Moradi and Jurassic Shark 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Is The Orville a comedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 A typical episode of The Orville is basically modeled after a typical episode of The Next Generation, but with random jokes thrown in It's still primarily a drama. The earlier episodes (like, the first 3) have some more lame forced humor that they do away with after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 I definitely consider it a comedy drama and I thought the parody style of the first few episodes was really fun, it's what hooked me into the show after all. It does settle down a bit after that though, and there are a couple of boring episodes in there, it can be a touch dour for me during those parts. But on the whole they seemed to find a good balance with the handling of gags and their place in the storylines. The humour thankfully remains present throughout, with the writers and cast showing a gift for timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Completely agree with everything you say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Lol, hooked me onto the show... Typical Lee to be hooked to a pretend Trek show. LMOA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Lol, hooked me onto the show... Typical Lee to be hooked to a pretend Trek show. LMOA! Loving My Orville, Absolutely. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted July 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2018 57 minutes ago, Jay said: Completely agree with everything you say! Time to change your sig line! Bilbo, A24, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Zero. Bryant Burnette and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay said: A typical episode of The Orville is basically modeled after a typical episode of The Next Generation, but with random jokes thrown in It's still primarily a drama. The earlier episodes (like, the first 3) have some more lame forced humor that they do away with after that Yeah, I thought they got better at working the humor in to the episode such as teaching the robot about pranks. The humor was forced and awkward in the first episodes but the sci-fi has always been good in a Star Trek TNG way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 At this point, I think the Star Trek brand has every right to feel threatened by The Orville now. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, karelm said: Yeah, I thought they got better at working the humor in to the episode such as teaching the robot about pranks. The humor was forced and awkward in the first episodes but the sci-fi has always been good in a Star Trek TNG way. Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Quintus said: At this point, I think the Star Trek brand has every right to feel threatened by The Orville now. Now yer gettin’ nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 This whole thread is just Stefanbait Bilbo and Nick1Ø66 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 See it more as a counter to the regressive Trekkie subculture here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The Orville is not less perfect than Lore! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Better than Star Trek? If it isn't Titanic or The Haunted Mansion at Disneyland or the Tim Burton Batman movies, then no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 52 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Zero. Destruct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, JoeinAR said: Zero. 12 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: Destruct. Zero. Picard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Why is Quintus comparing a TV show to a bunch of movies he's seen based on TV shows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I somehow come out of this thinking that Quint overrates both The Orville and The Wrath of Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 He's one of those modern TV snobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Modern TV snobs don't praise Seth McFarlane, right Alex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Very true. Liking The Orville (which I do!) is very much the TV populist stance, not the snobby one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 I don't like pigeon holing over this stuff anyway. That's the pastime of the small-minded. I watch absolutely all kinds, of widely varying quality. The Wrath of Kahn is a good thriller film in its own right though, I'll say that much. And I also say, because it seems I have to now, that The Orville is absolutely not golden age. So once again, Stu has inferred incorrect meaning from things I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 What is STAR TREK? I like THE ORVILLE a whole lot more than any STAR TREK incarnation, since it actually spoofs a a type of genre I don't particularly care for (what I somewhat derogatorily call 'pointy ear sci fi'). I even wish it were more 'spoofy' than it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Quintus said: At this point, I think the Star Trek brand has every right to feel threatened by The Orville now. Not in the least. The popularity of Star Trek is Paramount! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Thor said: I like THE ORVILLE a whole lot more than any STAR TREK incarnation, since it actually spoofs a a type of genre I don't particularly care for (what I somewhat derogatorily call 'pointy ear sci fi'). I even wish it were more 'spoofy' than it is. This isn't dissimilar to my own stance. In the pilot (which seems to have divided people), The Orville was the outright Police Squad of dreary Trekish science fiction serials. And I was a big appreciator of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Thor said: (what I somewhat derogatorily call 'pointy ear sci fi'). What if that so-called "pointy ear sci fi" as you call it explored issues like alien tinnitus and posed as an allegory to real life sufferers of hearing damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The Wrath of Khan is a great film, but in all honesty, I've always felt it could use a little trimming. You do feel its length at points. The extended version makes matters worse, similar to Spider-Man 2.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I love The Wrath of Khan. But it's not my favorite Trek movie. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I prefer The Final Frontier and Generations. Unlucky Bastard and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: I prefer The Final Frontier and Generations. If I could count "All Good Things..." that might be my pick. As it is, I like Generations and First Contact more for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Even the best of the Trek movies don't feel much like Star Trek to me. In all of them (except perhaps the first), you really can see how they're trying to dumb the whole thing down for a mass audience. It just got worse as time went on (e.g. Data's "Saddle Up, Lock and Load"). Star Trek is just made for episodic story telling, and in even the best cases, suffers to one degree or another in cinema. At most they're good sci-fi action films, but not really Star Trek. Holko and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 And have you noticed how your boobs have started to firm up? 1977 and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Nick1066 said: Even the best of the Trek movies don't feel much like Star Trek to me. In all of them (except perhaps the first), you really can see how they're trying to dumb the whole thing down for a mass audience. It just got worse as time went on (e.g. Data's "Saddle Up, Lock and Load"). Star Trek is just made for episodic story telling, and in even the best cases, suffers to one degree or another in cinema. At most they're good sci-fi action films, but not really Star Trek. Yep. Which is why there are quite a few feature-lengthish two-parters from TNG/DS9/VOY I'd rank above most of the movies. Yavar Moradi and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 DS9's "Way of the Warrior" or "What You Leave Behind"....now that's stellar Trek cinema! Actually, the last 10 hours of DS9 is more or less one long epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 All the Berman era shows had excellent series finales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 He certainly knew how to finish Star Trek. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: All the Berman era shows had excellent series finales. Well, not so much Enterprise. Disco Stu and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Many people still criticize the awkward Gul Dukat scenes and Sisko pushing him into a fire pit and turning into a spirit, though. The whole ending of DS9 was a huge buildup with payoff for the Cardassian rebellion and then everything else slapped together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: He certainly knew how to finish Star Trek. I blame that execrable Enterprise theme song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I blame that execrable Enterprise theme song. I had forgotten. Next Generation and Deep Space Nine are stuffy for me in the absolute best way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I really enjoy The Orville and find it on par, if not better than several incarnations of Star Trek. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,598 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The Orville is overall better than a LOT of Star Trek...but for me that doesn't include the films with the original cast...yes, even V -- despite some terrible elements I love that one, because of the relationship between Kirk/Spock/McCoy and some great individual scenes (McCoy with his father). I do consider most of the Orville to be better than most of Voyager, all of Enterprise that I've seen (I gave up on it and didn't make it to the later seasons that folks tell me improved on the first two)...and actually much better than the poorer episodes of TOS/TNG/DS9 even...let's be honest, each show had their share of clunkers. Oh, and The Orvile is way, WAAAAY better than any of the TNG movies. My favorite of those is Generations and it's still hugely disappointing. In the other three movies I can barely recognize the characters (and I'm not talking about the actors aging). Picard in particular...there's a great redlettermedia comparison of show Picard vs. movie Picard and it says everything. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Quintus said: This isn't dissimilar to my own stance. In the pilot (which seems to have divided people), The Orville was the outright Police Squad of dreary Trekish science fiction serials. And I was a big appreciator of that. Me too. But their apparent appreciation and respect for STAR TREK eventually turned the show into something a little less spoofy, which I think was unfortunate. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Does THOR have a promo of ORVILLE original score music? Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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