Jay 37,281 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 This one? airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 23 hours ago, Jay said: Yea, but it's too bad 1984 technology makes it look kinda fake. I wonder if they could improve that effect on a future 4K remaster. 21 hours ago, Jay said: With today's digital technology, you can add text to a screen and have characters or other other objects move behind or in front of it, and it looks absolutely perfect, like the text is was truly there on the set floating around, you can never tell the difference. In this film, however, there's a break when she goes in front of it because there's artifacts surrounding her body that ruin the effect. They didn't pull off the exact effect they wanted. That's what I'm talking about. It was the exact effect they wanted. It didn't look "fake" at all back then (although a minority may disagree). AND, most importantly, EVERY effect that you guys consider to be perfect today, will look like garbage in 20 years or less... It's all about perspective! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I disagree. They would have wanted it to look like she truly was standing in front of the text, and as I said in another post you didn't quote, it probably did look fine in theaters in 1984. I'm talking about when you watch it on home video on high def TVs, you see a shimmer around here that the filmmakers did not intend for you to see. That is what could be fixed with modern technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jay said: I disagree. They would have wanted it to look like she truly was standing in front of the text And that's exactly what looked like from the perspective of 1984. Which is what counts. Quote I'm talking about when you watch it on home video on high def TVs, you see a shimmer around here that the filmmakers did not intend for you to see. That is what could be fixed with modern technology. The filmmakers intended you to see it as perfect as the technology allowed back then. Shimmers and all. Period. And that's what they achieved. You don't want the 1933 King Kong effects to be fixed with modern technology, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, Ricard said: EVERY effect that you guys consider to be perfect today, will look like garbage in 20 years or less... Jurassic Park still looks good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 The Lost World has pretty much perfect special effects. Even today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Well, it needs something to compensate for all the badness. 21 hours ago, Jay said: This one? Indeed. My favourite film re-recording of a classic swing piece is Sing, Sing, Sing from Swing Kids. Although nothing beats Goodman's original! airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, Ricard said: And that's exactly what looked like from the perspective of 1984. Which is what counts. I've said that twice now, and both times you didn't quote the part of my posts that said that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I'm perfectly happy for films to retain their original "flawed" effects and animation. All the CGI in Star Wars: A New Hope sucks ass. Holko and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 The SEs would've been nice as extra material, an interesting one-off experiment to show how ILM progressed in 2 decades through revisiting the movie that birthed them, by doing a scene which was originally scrapped because of budget and time constraints (Jabba) and how they'd do a dogfight if they could start from scrap now (Yavin Battle), not as completely replacing and burying the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Jurassic Park still looks good! 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: The Lost World has pretty much perfect special effects. Even today. I'm sure most Gen Zers don't agree! 4 minutes ago, Jay said: I've said that twice now Not really. You kept saying that the filmmakers wanted more than they achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, Stefancos said: The Lost World has pretty much perfect special effects. Even today. I think JP boasts better special effects than TLW! The compys look amazing, but the stegosaurus couldn't look faker, I thought. The adults and the baby! In comparison, the brachiosaurus and the triceratops in JP looked as real as animals in the zoo! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Holko said: The SEs would've been nice as extra material, an interesting one-off experiment to show how ILM progressed in 2 decades through revisiting the movie that birthed them, by doing a scene which was originally scrapped because of budget and time constraints (Jabba) and how they'd do a dogfight if they could start from scrap now (Yavin Battle), not as completely replacing and burying the original. Yup! If the original unaltered versions of the OT were also sold in the same formats as the SE versions it really wouldn't be much of an issue at all how GL kept changing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 The baby stegosaurus and the brachosaur heads look equally like stiff, limited animatronics to me. The triceratops cheats by being sick, so they only had to recreate breathing, a bit of leg movement and blinking, working around the limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Holko said: The baby stegosaurus and the brachosaur heads look equally like stiff, limited animatronics to me. The baby stegosaurus is worse. It looks like animatronics that's half broken. The brachiosaurus head is OK. Not perfect, but okay. I liked how it sneezed, anyway! 4 minutes ago, Holko said: The triceratops cheats by being sick, so they only had to recreate breathing, a bit of leg movement and blinking, working around the limitations. Doesn't matter. It still looked amazingly real... Like an amazingly real sick triceratops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Fake or not, one thing is pretty obvious about Willie being in front of the text: Spielberg was already banging Kate Capshaw at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 He even named her character after his Johnson. phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 That's why Willie is considered the least favorite of the Indy girls: she's a dick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, phbart said: Fake or not, one thing is pretty obvious about Willie being in front of the text: Spielberg was already banging Kate Capshaw at that time. You know this how? Were you there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Holko said: and how they'd do a dogfight if they could start from scrap now (Yavin Battle) You know those parts of the Battle of Yavin where it's in black and white briefly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: You know this how? Were you there? I made the arrangements. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Ah, so you like to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I secretly taped it too. That's why I'm rich even to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, phbart said: I secretly taped it too. That's why I'm rich even to this day. Not to mention quite sane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Not so much 🤪 Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 You should get JW to score it! Just tell him all the best composers are dead, and he won't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You should get JW to score it! The sex tape? He did. Where do you think he got the idea of "Nocturnal Activities" from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Finally Jurassic Shark finds someone so close to his own level of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Tart! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 No; "phbart". Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 No, Qbert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Isn't that Qbert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 8:06 AM, phbart said: The sex tape? He did. Where do you think he got the idea of "Nocturnal Activities" from? Isn't it obvious? From his love of trees, of course! phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/15/2018 at 10:52 PM, King Mark said: I think it's one of the best cue opening by Williams ever And when I first heard it I thought it was going to lead into the most amazing Williams Main Titles/theme ever But it breaks into a dance number...I was very disappointed .I was like wait..bring this music back! But its perfect. PERFECT. airmanjerm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Yes it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 And yes, it's quite an unexpected way to start the sequel to Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Yup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 It is spectacular. Though I would have liked to see more of Capshaw singing. She really pulled it off with a convincing, and surprisingly charismatic performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: And yes, it's quite an unexpected way to start the sequel to Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Prequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,383 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I always loved when the dancers pulled the ribbons out of the other dancers chest pockets, a nice little symbol of the heart getting pulled out in the actual Temple of Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Yup! Something fun you don't pick up on until rewatches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIFan 16 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Hi all, Per Richard's earlier assertion that the opening to TOD is only a fantasy in Willie's mind (or was that a joke?), can I get confirmation that Spielberg is the source on that? The movie's been out for nearly 35 years and I had never heard that before! If so, it's the most vivid and substantial dream I've ever witnessed, as even Dr. Jones and the nefarious operatives around him seem to notice it's going on as well... Perhaps I just didn't get the joke? It's possible... AIFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Yeah, I think he's just miffed that the intro was ruined in his mind, I don't put any stock behind the idea it's in Willie's mind, as it's quite clearly just an interesting dance number to introduce the character and the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 hours ago, AIFan said: Hi all, Per Richard's earlier assertion that the opening to TOD is only a fantasy in Willie's mind (or was that a joke?), can I get confirmation that Spielberg is the source on that? The movie's been out for nearly 35 years and I had never heard that before! If so, it's the most vivid and substantial dream I've ever witnessed, as even Dr. Jones and the nefarious operatives around him seem to notice it's going on as well... Perhaps I just didn't get the joke? It's possible... AIFan Not the entire dance number, but just the big hall. That was in Willie's imagination. How else could it be? (Although admittedly it doesn't make much sense from a story-telling standpoint.) She's a second-rate singer in a Chinese nightclub, but she's imagining she's a big Broadway star. Incidentally and simultaneously, Spielberg was probably imagining being a big Broadway director, instead of a popcorn movie director! 😂 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The whole of TOD doesn't make sense, from any standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Well it makes sense from a certain point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Richard said: The whole of TOD doesn't make sense, from any standpoint. Then "anything goes" sums it up nicely. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Richard said: The whole of TOD doesn't make sense, from any standpoint. It certainly makes more sense than KotCS! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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