Richard Penna 3,684 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Updated my post with the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 MV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Speaking of similarities between scores, this track from Hook shares an uncanny resemblance with the first notes of Hedwig's Theme (aka the Harry Potter Theme Song): I think the title "The Nursery" is wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Yeah, no disrespect to Ross but the blatant similarities to non-Potter tracks from Hook, TLC, JP and AOTC are surely too coincidental to have come from Williams' pencil. I just can't imagine him being so shamelessly lazy, even with the lack of time. you still haven''t got it. Ross didn't write the quiddich music . I guess Jay posting 100 times that Williams wrote all the new music doesn't really matter because it doesn't get through to a few people Ross might have written a few transitional note here and there to join cues in place and handled the tracked music that's it. He didn't compose entire cues or even parts of them Williams does this all the time. I'm sure people can point out many cues in Last Jedi .Here he just modified Chase on Coruscant because he''d just worked on that and was in a hurry And if the quiddich music doesn't count as a NEW composition in Jay's mind then I'm wrong . It's like a very distinct alternate so I have no idea what you people consider "adapting" anymore Edit Locrius, Will, Bilbo and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, redishere said: Speaking of similarities between scores, this track from Hook shares an uncanny resemblance with the first notes of Hedwig's Theme (aka the Harry Potter Theme Song): I think the title "The Nursery" is wrong though. Seriously?! No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I wonder which version of Diagon Alley ended up on disk 1. There's like 5 alternates Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,520 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I'm guessing the final one. 4 of those alternates is just rehearsals for a problematic bit. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Seriously?! No. I was just referring to the first five notes you hear at 0:34. The intervals, the rhythmic pattern. I don't know, that small part of Hook reminds me of HP, just like these seven chords in Rey's Theme sound a little bit Azkaban-esque to me. I'm not saying the entire cues are identical! Locrius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 Yea, there's no alternates for the Diagon Alley scene in the session at all. That's all just alternate TAKES as they kept redoing things (the violin solo) until they got it to sound how they wanted. Of course, there's a sheet music leak for something called 2M4 Insert Diagon Alley Reveal that turned up, too... TSMefford, Once, bollemanneke and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The evolution of Hedwig theme can indeed be traced to Hook. The ending of Hook-Napped (the first half on the OST) is a dead ringer. The Prologue from Sorcerer's Stone seems to have been temp-tracked with The Library from The Pagemaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, redishere said: I was just referring to the first five notes you hear at 0:34. The intervals, the rhythmic pattern. I don't know, that small part of Hook reminds me of HP, just like these seven chords in Rey's Theme sound a little bit Azkaban-esque to me. I'm not saying the entire cues are identical! They may sound similar, but you know what? That's a stretch! Music is full of such similarities. Seriously. If you go down this road, you could argue that "Somewhere in my Memory" from Home Alone bears an uncanny resemblance to the "Theme from Schindler's List"! And so on and so on. It doesn't end. Unless it's an obvious imitation or copy, it's really nothing. Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,520 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 No, the Schindler Theme is the Hogwarts Fanfare. And it's also in Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Witches of Eastwick is the 3 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: The evolution of Hedwig theme can indeed be traced to Hook. The ending of Hook-Napped (the first half on the OST) is a dead ringer. The Prologue from Sorcerer's Stone seems to have been temp-tracked with The Library from The Pagemaster. Witches of Eastwick started it all (before it got kiddified by Home Alone and Hook). The Pagemaster stuff is part Rimsky-Korsakoff, part Igor's Firebird. Both Williams and Horner prefered the same well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redishere 697 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: The evolution of Hedwig theme can indeed be traced to Hook. The ending of Hook-Napped (the first half on the OST) is a dead ringer. The Prologue from Sorcerer's Stone seems to have been temp-tracked with The Library from The Pagemaster. Yeah, Hook-Napped too! And The Pagemaster, what a memory you dug up! Great fun and great score Just now, Josh500 said: They may sound similar, but you know what? That's a stretch! Music is full of such similarities. Seriously. If you go down this road, you could argue that Somewhere in my Memory from Home Alone bears an uncanny resemblance with the Theme from Schindler's List! It doesn't end. Unless it's an obvious imitation or copy, it's really nothing. Yeah, sorry about that, I didn't want to sound like the classic "plagiarism" guy. I actually don't care about these similarities: I actually like finding these musical fingerprints in soundtracks and music. Listening to Holst's The Planets is a great experience for this reason, in my opinion. Stuff like the T-Rex chase in JP being scored homaging The Rite of Spring (the exact section where in Fantasia the T-Rex is wrecking havoc, to be exact) really makes me giggle. Locrius, Josh500 and jwalk713 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demondm810 399 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay said: We never knew either until all of a sudden there they were! Just wait till you hear them, they are GREAT arrangements! Damnit, Jay. Like the wait isn't hard enough! Molly Weasley, TSMefford, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 Now who wants to guess what we’ll get samples of? redishere, bollemanneke and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Now who wants to guess what we’ll get samples of? Teaser 1 hour ago, Josh500 said: They may sound similar, but you know what? That's a stretch! Music is full of such similarities. Seriously. If you go down this road, you could argue that "Somewhere in my Memory" from Home Alone bears an uncanny resemblance to the "Theme from Schindler's List"! And so on and so on. It doesn't end. Unless it's an obvious imitation or copy, it's really nothing. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redishere 697 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Demondm810 said: Damnit, Jay. Like the wait isn't hard enough! The sad thing is, if I after I'll finally order the boxset, I'll realize the aforementioned boxset won't arrive straightaway, and another excruciating countdown will start. Oh, well. 6 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Now who wants to guess what we’ll get samples of? I'll try and choose one track for each score: HP1: 14. Hogwarts Forever [Vocal Version] HP2: 23. Transformation Class [Alternate Segment] HP3: 25. About Pettigrew / The Crystal Ball Nah, I have no idea. Give me anything and I'll be happy. This is gonna be me 26 hours from now. TSMefford, Muad'Dib and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, King Mark said: you still haven''t got it. Ross didn't write the quiddich music . I guess Jay posting 100 times that Williams wrote all the new music doesn't really matter because it doesn't get through to a few people Ross might have written a few transitional note here and there to join cues in place and handled the tracked music that's it. He didn't compose entire cues or even parts of them Williams does this all the time. I'm sure people can point out many cues in Last Jedi .Here he just modified Chase on Coruscant because he''d just worked on that and was in a hurry And if the quiddich music doesn't count as a NEW composition in Jay's mind then I'm wrong . It's like a very distinct alternate so I have no idea what you people consider "adapting" anymore Edit COS is perhaps his most Horner-esque score in terms of self-quotation. It's more like a pastiche of Williams music, lacking its own identity. Familiarity with the Sorcerer's Stone and Star Wars II scores (among others) made the laziness incredibly obvious at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: COS is perhaps his most Horner-esque score in terms of self-quotation. It's more like a pastiche of Williams music, lacking its own identity. Familiarity with the Sorcerer's Stone and Star Wars II scores (among others) at the time made the laziness incredibly obvious. Yeah the COS, AOTC, Minority Report year must have really stretched him. I don't think I've noticed any other self-quotations as obvious in anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, redishere said: The sad thing is, if I after I'll finally order the boxset, I'll realize the aforementioned boxset won't arrive straightaway, and another excruciating countdown will start. Oh, well. I won't be opening mine until Christmas, so you'll be able to let me know if the scores are any good long before I hear them! redishere, bollemanneke and Bilbo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 To be honest, I think my favorite part of the second score is the Chase Through Coruscant (which auto-correct is determined to turn into Croissant). A. A. Ron, redishere, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 What is this Diagon Alley reveal insert that was mentioned earlier? Was this cue replaced by Hermione's Feather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: What is this Diagon Alley reveal insert that was mentioned earlier? Based on the name, I'd say it's an Insert for the Diagon Alley reveal Quote Was this cue replaced by Hermione's Feather? What do you mean? The Illustrious Jerry, TSMefford and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,520 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 According to the cue list, the final Diagon Alley in the sessions was 4:36, the new track is 4:50. Could be! In the movie Hermione's Feather is tracked under the bricks moving. TSMefford, redishere and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 In the movie, when we see the bricks moving, Hermione's Feather part one plays over that scene, then segues into the opening of Diagon Alley, and after that we get the Great Hall music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 Ah right, I forgot about that aspect of the final film's tracking. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 37 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: To be honest, I think my favorite part of the second score is the Chase Through Coruscant (which auto-correct is determined to turn into Croissant). Ham the Assassin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The moving bricks were rather crudely recreated at Universal Studios with static bricks and an obvious speaker playing the sound of the bricks moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJosh 892 Posted November 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 I'm so excited to hear listen to the sound quality on this set! And the full Children's Suite...I can't believe that it was recorded so long ago and only now will be heard in its' entirety. A. A. Ron, Alan, TSMefford and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 47 minutes ago, MrJosh said: I'm so excited to hear listen to the sound quality on this set! And the full Children's Suite...I can't believe that it was recorded so long ago and only now will be heard in its' entirety. Well, officially anyway. TSMefford and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Well, officially anyway. Yes, but I don't think the Diagon Ally piece from the Suite was on those sessions...and I'm hoping HWW contains the other ending on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 It’s on mine bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,520 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The whole suite except the HWW ending was included. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: It’s on mine 2 minutes ago, Holko said: The whole suite except the HWW ending was included. hah, funny...maybe I hit 'delete' instead of 'play' when I got to that track. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 What about HWW from COS? I remember some discussion that the waveforms looked as if it was the exact same recording as the previous film, with the new ending. What will be in this new set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, Holko said: The whole suite except the HWW ending was included. The new ending was never recording during the HPSS sessions. Neither was the new ending to the Diagon Alley movement. 4 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: What about HWW from COS? I remember some discussion that the waveforms looked as if it was the exact same recording as the previous film, with the new ending. What will be in this new set? They used the HP1 recording for everything except the new ending, which was recorded at the COS sessions by Ross. In fact, the HPCOS OST debuted the missing seconds of Harry's Wondrous World that were microedited out of the original HPSS OST (hence the "Extended Version" moniker on the new set) bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay said: In fact, the HPCOS OST debuted the missing seconds of Harry's Wondrous World that were microedited out of the original HPSS OST (hence the "Extended Version" moniker on the new set) Ah! I get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 The cut bars are right around the 2:00 mark. Compare the HPSS OST HWW track to the HPCOS OST HWW track (or the HP1 session leak track) and you can't miss it Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 You're talking about the repeated descending twinkly bits before the string motif comes in? I'm with Williams there. It's much better with the motif coming straight in. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I always thought that it was looped in CoS, but it was really the other way around and micro-edited in PS. There you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 Well we've known that since the HPSS session leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just to confirm for other Australians, this goes live at 7am Wednesday (tomorrow) morning Melbourne/Sydney time, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, crumbs said: Just to confirm for other Australians, this goes live at 7am Wednesday (tomorrow) morning Melbourne/Sydney time, correct? It’s slightly less than 20 hours from now according to my countdown, I don’t know if it helps, I’m not that familiar with timezones Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJosh 892 Posted November 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2018 Anyone else drool while reading and re-reading the tracklists? redishere, bollemanneke, Molly Weasley and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just now, MrJosh said: Anyone else drool while reading and re-reading the tracklists? Yup. I keep rereading them, like I’ll somehow be able to just click play redishere and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, MrJosh said: Anyone else drool while reading and re-reading the tracklists? Amen brother! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Just to confirm for other Australians, this goes live at 7am Wednesday (tomorrow) morning Melbourne/Sydney time, correct? 2PM tomorrow for me! I get to sleep in and still be on my computer before it goes live. crumbs and TSMefford 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 When does it go live in central European time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, MrJosh said: Anyone else drool while reading and re-reading the tracklists? Not just me then. Good. TSMefford and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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