Harry Potter - The John Williams Soundtrack Collection 7CD boxset from La-La Land Records (2018)

[Josh500 1,615]

26 minutes ago, Holko said:

Anyone with a "safe" EU address where LLL packages usually arrive quickly and without additional fees willing to get 2 of these and mail one to me? I'll pay up!  

 

 

Sorry what was your issue again? 

 

No fixed residence? Postal service in your county unreliable?

[crlbrg 381]

Ordered ET 35th anniversary edition directly from LLL, delivery to Europe with no problems. Hoping there will be no problems for this box set either!

 

Dracula from Varese, on the other hand, seems to be taking a while - already nearly 3 weeks in transit.

[Josh500 1,615]

I never had any problems with LLL, either, except for the broken teeth and jewel cases in the early days... But they even fixed that, my JP set arrived in perfect condition! 👌 

[Holko 9,499]

7 minutes ago, Josh500 said:

 

Sorry what was your issue again? 

 

No fixed residence? Postal service in your county unreliable?

 

I never ordered anything from outside the continent and I've heard too many horror stories about the handling taking 6 weeks, packages not being closed back up properly and such in addition to the fees. I don't trust our customs people and this is too big, important and expensive a release to start taking chances with it.

[Josh500 1,615]

3 minutes ago, Holko said:

 

I never ordered anything from outside the continent and I've heard too many horror stories about the handling taking 6 weeks, packages not being closed back up properly and such in addition to the fees. I don't trust our customs people and this is too big, important and expensive a release to start taking chances with it.

 

Oh please! 

 

You live in Hungary, right? You know how many packages are sent to and from your country every single day, especially before Christmas? Probably tens of thousands, if not more.

 

 

[Holko 9,499]

Yes, which means I'd only get it in January anyway, might as well wait for the EU stores to get it and be safe  

[Josh500 1,615]

3 minutes ago, Holko said:

Yes, which means I'd only get it in January anyway, might as well wait for the EU stores to get it and be safe  

 

As far as I know, no EU store will keep in on the shelves!

 

Only in Japan have I seen these brand-new specialty releases in actual stores, right around the time of their release....

5 minutes ago, Holko said:

Yes, which means I'd only get it in January anyway...

 

And if that's true, then it's probably true for all the people living in the EU! 😂 

[Holko 9,499]

I meant online stores like Music Box, Soundtrackcorner, maybe our local Facethemusic. Where the shipping is guaranteed to start from inside the EU.

[Josh500 1,615]

Ah OK gotcha.

[1977 1,743]

34 minutes ago, Josh500 said:

I never had any problems with LLL, either, except for the broken teeth and jewel cases in the early days... But they even fixed that, my JP set arrived in perfect condition! 👌 

 

Lucky you, my JP had hardly any teeth, never mind broken ones.

[crumbs 14,301]

Thought this might be an opportune time to re-post the Azkaban cue list, seeing as the PS and COS sessions are a little clearer thanks to the leaks. Azkaban has always been a little more mysterious because we don't know what was actually recorded during the sessions. At first glance, 2m3 The Train to Hogwarts Version I and 3m10 Remembering Mother appear to not have been recorded after all (or were omitted from the set). I've highlighted all the alternates that were at least written by Williams.

 

1m1 Opening III

1m3A That's a Lie

1m4x Aunt Marge Points the Finger

1m5 Parents Portrait

1mC The Empty Playground

1mD The Knight Bus

1m8 The Knight Bus Ride "Concerto for Hub Caps"

1m9 Newspaper Headliner

1m9A Squeeze Play

1m9B Second Collision

2m1 The Book Attacks

2m2A Discussing Black

2m3 The Train to Hogwarts Version I

2m3 The Train to Hogwarts Version II

2m4 The Dementor Appears

2m5 Something Wicked Intro

2m6 Dumbledore's Warning

2m8 Double Trouble March

2m9+10 Rainy Nights, Dementors, and Birds

2m10 You Have the Grim

3m1+2 Double Trouble on the Hill

3mC Befriending the Hippogriff

3M5-5A Bonding with Hippogriff and Sir Cadogan Again

3m5B Kids Inspect Newspaper etc

3m6 Snape Dresses Up

3m6A The Spider

3m6B The Snake

3m7x New Beginning

3m7A Clown Out of the Cupboard

3m9 Revealing the Bridge

3m10 Remembering Mother

3m10 Alt. Remembering Mother Alternate

3m11 The Portrait Scene

3m11A

3mE The Great Hall Ceiling

3m12 Revised The Great Hall Ceiling

3m13 Sir Cadogan (for Dufay Ensemble & Percussion)

4m2 Quidditch 2004

4m2xV Choral Overlay

4m3+4 Enter Winter

4m3+4 New Woods Walk and Birds Flight

4m5 Map to Snow Scene

4mC Snow Fight

4m10 Brief Snow Scene

4m11 Explore Your Past

4m13 Harry and Voices

4m14 Dueling the Dementor

4m14 Insert for Patronus Light

5m1 Buckbeak's Sentence

5m2 Reading the Map

5m2A Reveal Your Secret

5m3 The Mention of Pettigrew

5m5 The Crystal Ball

5m6 The Executioner

5m7 The Walk to Buckbeak

5m8 Buckbeak is Sentenced

5m9 Scabbers Runs

5m10 The Whomping Willow

6m2 The Confrontation Scene

6m4 Sirius and Harry

6m5 Werewolf Scene

6m5 Pt. II

6m5AN First Frozen Lake

6m7 Reviewing the Recent Past

7m1 Viewing the Recent Past

7m1A Saving Buckbeak

7m1B Bats Extension

7m2 My Dad Conjured the Patronus

7m2A String Overlay

7m3 Buckbeak Saves the Day

7m4 Watching the Past

7m5 The Rescue of Sirius

7m6 Sirius Final Scene

7m6A Turning Time Back

7m7 Ext. Whomping Willow

7m7 Rev. Whomping Willow Revisited

7m9 Lupin's Departure

7m11 A New Broomstick

7m12 End Credits

Harry Potter III Trailer

 

This list doesn't appear complete because we know there's an alternate 7m11 for starters.

 

Here's a mockup of the original 3m10 Remembering Mother:

 

 

 

 

[bollemanneke 3,337]

But didn't that alternate Train version end up in a trailer?

[Alan 689]

I wonder what the additional music tracks that aren't listed as alternates and are not OST tracks are?

 

They're focused around the Patronus and Dementors which seem to have some pretty interesting orchestration (people seem unsure of what is music vs sound effects). Could these tracks be demo material?

[redishere 697]

On 11/23/2018 at 10:09 AM, bollemanneke said:

Where is Aunt Marge Points The Finger?

 

Was that the brief crescendo cue heard right before Aunt Marge’s Waltz in the movie? Is it possible that they could’ve merged it into the Waltz track? It’s a rather short cue to separate from other tracks.

 

Anyway, great questions and yes, this set appears to be perfect in every way possible. My alarm clock is altrady set to 9pm on november 27th, but I doubt I could forget about it 🌝

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26 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

But didn't that alternate Train version end up in a trailer?

 

First I've heard of it? I didn't even know there were two different trailer cues recorded/written by Williams!

 

Given Jay's assurances that everything from the OST has been retained on this release, I'm guessing a few OST versions have landed in the additional music section.

 

ADDITIONAL MUSIC

12. Lumos! (Hedwig’s Theme) 1:40     presumably just OST track 1, the film version must be a different take
13. Aunt Marge’s Waltz [Alternate] 2:34     no idea what this is, not in the cue list, different duration to OST track
14. The Knight Bus [Alternate] 3:58    again, likely OST track 3 which is different in sections (especially the accordion part)
15. Apparition on the Train 2:20    probably just OST track 4; maybe V1/V2 of Journey to Hogwarts is appended here?
16. More Grim and Boggarts 1:37    not sure what the Grim part is but Boggarts must be the alternate section of that cue from the OST (unlisted in the cue list).
17. Quidditch, Third Year 3:54    presumably just OST track 13
18. Window to the Past 3:58    presumably just OST track 7 but HOPEFULLY the Remembering Mother alternate
19. Saving Buckbeak [Alternate Segment] 4:24    original version of Bats plus some other alternative music from that cue
20. Lupin’s Transformation [Alternate] 2:05     I think there was an alternate of the Sirius/Harry talk partly included on the OST, so it's probably this track
21. Watching the Past [Alternate] 2:21    unknown; there's nothing in the cue list to indicate an alternate
22. The Dementors Circle 0:46   no idea, don't think this is covered anywhere on the OST?
23. The Patronus Light 1:16    presumably just OST track 15
24. The Patronus Power 0:47     no idea, don't think this is covered anywhere on the OST?
25. The Dementors Converge 3:15     presumably just OST track 19 but I don't know how this is different from the film version?
26. The Firebolt [Alternate] 1:30    the alternate finale we haven't heard yet
27. Teaser 1:27    speaks for itself, the teaser trailer music with Double Trouble
28. Trailer 1:52   unknown but seemingly wasn't used in marketing

 

The Big Doors (original version) must be More Grim. I can't see where else that cue fits, unless it was just combined with the revised insert in The Big Doors and The Great Hall Ceiling.

 

[Bespin 8,480]

CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH (eating my toast).

 

Still not a word to say about this release.

[Alan 689]

What do we know about the Remembering Mother alternate? I see a track in the score presentation called Remembering Mother and we have Window to the Past, which isn't on the cue list (might just be missing from the list).

 

Do we know for sure that Window to the Past isn't the alternate?

 

[Bilbo 3,709]

9 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

First I've heard of it? I didn't even know there were two different trailer cues recorded/written by Williams!

 

Given Jay's assurances that everything from the OST has been retained on this release, I'm guessing a few OST versions have landed in the additional music section.

 

ADDITIONAL MUSIC

12. Lumos! (Hedwig’s Theme) 1:40     presumably just OST track 1, the film version must be a different take
13. Aunt Marge’s Waltz [Alternate] 2:34     no idea what this is, not in the cue list, different duration to OST track
14. The Knight Bus [Alternate] 3:58    again, likely OST track 3 which is different in sections (especially the accordion part)
15. Apparition on the Train 2:20    probably just OST track 4; maybe V1/V2 of Journey to Hogwarts is appended here?
16. More Grim and Boggarts 1:37    not sure what the Grim part is but Boggarts must be the alternate section of that cue from the OST (unlisted in the cue list).
17. Quidditch, Third Year 3:54    presumably just OST track 13
18. Window to the Past 3:58    presumably just OST track 7 but HOPEFULLY the Remembering Mother alternate
19. Saving Buckbeak [Alternate Segment] 4:24    original version of Bats plus some other alternative music from that cue
20. Lupin’s Transformation [Alternate] 2:05     I think there was an alternate of the Sirius/Harry talk partly included on the OST, so it's probably this track
21. Watching the Past [Alternate] 2:21    unknown; there's nothing in the cue list to indicate an alternate
22. The Dementors Circle 0:46   no idea, don't think this is covered anywhere on the OST?
23. The Patronus Light 1:16    presumably just OST track 15
24. The Patronus Power 0:47     no idea, don't think this is covered anywhere on the OST?
25. The Dementors Converge 3:15     presumably just OST track 19 but I don't know how this is different from the film version?
26. The Firebolt [Alternate] 1:30    the alternate finale we haven't heard yet
27. Teaser 1:27    speaks for itself, the teaser trailer music with Double Trouble
28. Trailer 1:52   unknown but seemingly wasn't used in marketing

 

The Big Doors (original version) must be More Grim. I can't see where else that cue fits?

 

Big Doors is when they lock down the castle after Sirius tries to break into the Gryffindor Common room 

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8 minutes ago, Alan said:

What do we know about the Remembering Mother alternate? I see a track in the score presentation called Remembering Mother and we have Window to the Past, which isn't listed in the cue list (might just be missing from the list).

 

Do we know for sure that Window to the Past isn't the alternate?

 

 

We know Williams wrote an alternate version of Remembering Mother because it leaked with the sheet music. We don't know if it was actually recorded. This is a mockup:

 

 

The version of this track on disc 1 will be the final film version of the cue, which features the Window to the Past theme.

 

Whatever constitutes A Window to the Past on disc 2 is unknown but it's basically the same length as the OST track of the same name, so presumably it's the same track. However, that OST track is just a suite of cues already presented in the film score, rather than a "true" concert arrangement of the theme.

[Alan 689]

Sorry @crumbs. Missed the mock up you posted with the list

[crumbs 14,301]

3 minutes ago, Bilbo said:

Big Doors is when they lock down the castle after Sirius tries to break into the Gryffindor Common room 

 

Yes, I know. The version with the film insert will be on disc one but I'm not sure where the original version (featured on the OST) goes.

[Holko 9,499]

Since we apparently really don't have anything to complain about but I have to live up to my title somehow... 24 and 24 pages probably aren't enough to contain tracklist breakdowns explaining what's what like in the good old days or with the E.T. set when they also have all kinds of quotes and production history, and speculation is already going on a day after the announcement. Feel free to correct me, @Jay!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I’m not aware of any recent MM produced sets with track-by-track explanations/breakdowns, and it’s really my only complaint about the wonderful releases we’ve been getting these past 5 or so years.  It would be especially appreciated if they would explain the alternates more thoroughly or at all.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

21 minutes ago, redishere said:

 

Was that the brief crescendo cue heard right before Aunt Marge’s Waltz in the movie? Is it possible that they could’ve merged it into the Waltz track? It’s a rather short cue to separate from other tracks.

 

Anyway, great questions and yes, this set appears to be perfect in every way possible. My alarm clock is altrady set to 9pm on november 27th, but I doubt I could forget about it 🌝

No, it's a little 'magical' cue on celesta. You can hear it in one of the menus of the special edition of the DVD, I THINK during the introduction dialogue of the deleted scenes.

[Alan 689]

4 minutes ago, Holko said:

Since we apparently really don't have anything to complain about but I have to live up to my title somehow... 24 and 24 pages probably aren't enough to contain tracklist breakdowns explaining what's what like in the good old days or with the E.T. set when they also have all kinds of quotes and production history. Feel free to correct me, @Jay!

 

Well we get the booklets with the scores for each film plus the additional 44 page booklet in the box .

 

Honestly, I don't think we can find anything to complain about with this one. The wait for delivery is going to be the best kind of painful!

 

Edit: Just re-read your post and I think you meant 24 & 44 pages. I dunno, I feel like there probably is plenty of room for excellent notes on each score.

[Holko 9,499]

I forgot about the additional booklet! It even says it has generic music and tracklist info. I'm a stupid, I take the previous comment back.

 

4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I’m not aware of any recent MM produced sets with track-by-track explanations/breakdowns, and it’s really my only complaint about the wonderful releases we’ve been getting these past 5 or so years.  It would be especially appreciated if they would explain the alternates more thoroughly or at all.

 

Last year's E.T., as I said, has track-by-track comments, but it doesn't go deeper into some alternates than "different phrasing and orchestration".

[Brundlefly 2,385]

15 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Yes, I know. The version with the film insert will be on disc one but I'm not sure where the original version (featured on the OST) goes.

There is the OST version at the end of "The Portrait Gallery" and the film version "The Big Doors and...", so both are included in the main program back to back.

32 minutes ago, crumbs said:

20. Lupin’s Transformation [Alternate] 2:05     I think there was an alternate of the Sirius/Harry talk partly included on the OST, so it's probably this track

This is the OST version with the pizzicato strings going insane when the werewolf chases H&H, whereas the film version features ferocious percussion. The two versions are so different, they can't even be called alternates of each other!

[Josh500 1,615]

In anticipation of this release, I'm rewatching all three movies this week...

[crumbs 14,301]

3 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

There is the OST version at the end of "The Portrait Gallery" and the film version "The Big Doors and...", so both are included in the main program back to back.

 

Nailed it! You're spot on -- just compared track times of The Portrait Gallery on the OST & LLL and they're basically the same. So MM has cleverly included both the original and revised versions of that cue in the main program.

 

I wonder which track The Journey to Hogwarts appears in, and whether the alternate was ever recorded?

[MedigoScan 324]

Maybe Watching the Past alternate is the first part of the albums 'Finale'

While the disc 1 version includes the ticking clocking from the film.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Just now, crumbs said:

Nailed it! You're spot on -- just compared track times of The Portrait Gallery on the OST & LLL and they're basically the same. So MM has cleverly included both the original and revised versions of that cue in the main program.

It would have been weird to insert The Big Doors into the end of The Portrait Gallery. That would have sounded like the weird transition in The Dream on Quartet's Total Recall set which I replaced by the original version on disc 2.

[crumbs 14,301]

Yep, that insert will sound fantastic as the opening of the following track.

 

Can't wait to pump up the volume for that one, my subwoofer is gonna go nuts! 😆

[MedigoScan 324]

12 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

This is the OST version with the pizzicato strings going insane when the werewolf chases H&H, whereas the film version features ferocious percussion. The two versions are so different, they can't even be called alternates of each other!

 

Arent those strings simply from the `Chasing Scabbers` portion of the OST track?

 

 

[Bespin 8,480]

Scuse me, I slowly find my voice again.

 

The composition " The Sorcerer's Stone" from the suite? Where it is?

 

I. Hedwig's Theme (5:10)
II. The Sorcerer's Stone (3:30)
III. Nimbus 2000 (2:25)
IV. Harry's Wondrous World (5:20).

[crumbs 14,301]

Just now, MedigoScan said:

Arent those strings simply from the `Chasing Scabbers` portion of the OST track?

 

Yes, that's what I thought!

[MedigoScan 324]

Either way it was a criminal sin to edit out those drums from the album.

Even if they did remind me a lot of the Star Wars prequels

[crumbs 14,301]

2 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Scuse me, I dlowly refound my voice.

 

The composition " The Sorcerer's Stone" from the suite? Where it is?

 

Not recorded during the London sessions, probably.

[MedigoScan 324]

On the other hand, the Chasing Scabbers track on this CD is not long enough to include that bit.(and its been a while since I saw the movie)

 

But I cant imagine those strings were intended for such a tense scene like the wolf chase...

[crumbs 14,301]

 

6 minutes ago, MedigoScan said:

On the other hand, the Chasing Scabbers track on this CD is not long enough to include that bit.(and its been a while since I saw the movie) 

 

But I cant imagine those strings were intended for such a tense scene like the wolf chase...

 

Huh? Aren't the pizzicato strings just the original Chasing Scabbers cue after Buckbeak's "execution" and before the Whomping Willow cue? I think the OST makes things confusing because Williams switched the cues into reverse order, and parts of Lupin's Transformation are an alternate (just to add to the confusion).

 

I similarly get confused by all the various cues in the last act of POA. Not only all the alternates but also the fact that so many events are portrayed and scored twice with different cues, it's hard to wrap your head around it.

[redishere 697]

43 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

No, it's a little 'magical' cue on celesta. You can hear it in one of the menus of the special edition of the DVD, I THINK during the introduction dialogue of the deleted scenes.

 

Thank you! Since Jay said everything you hear in the movie is in this set, I wonder where short cues like That’s a Lie were put! 

[Holko 9,499]

26 minutes ago, crumbs said:

I wonder which track The Journey to Hogwarts appears in, and whether the alternate was ever recorded?

Could it be stuck to the end of Discussing Black?

 

17 minutes ago, Bespin said:

 

The composition " The Sorcerer's Stone" from the suite? Where it is?

II. The Sorcerer's Stone (3:30)

 

Judging by the title, that should be the Three Note Loop "concert piece", which has a session slate between Blue Forest and Hagrid Plays the Flute or Running to McGonnagall - here, it's D2/9 - The Stone (3:41). In the film, about a minute o it is used where Harry figures out Snape wants to give the Stone to Voldemort in the Common Room, I have no clue if it originally underscored some bigger vision scene.

[Bespin 8,480]

I don't want judgments, I want facts!

 

 

[bollemanneke 3,337]

I wonder why he put both original and film versions of Portrait Galelry in the main program.

The alternate Journey to Hogwarts was recorded, it's in a trailer!

The Sorcerer's Stone is on disc 2, The Stone aka Three Note Loop.

Maybe That's A Lie and Aunt Marge Points The Finger make up part of the alternate of the waltz.

[Holko 9,499]

6 minutes ago, Bespin said:

I don't want judgments, I want facts!

 

 

Well then link a video of a performance of that suite so I can see i that's the Three Note Loop cue I'm thinking of!

 

To reiterate so it won't get lost: what did that big buildup originally score? Was there a deleted flashback or vision? It's cut down in the film significantly, and it's practically a concert arrangement in full.

[Bespin 8,480]

A video... on youtube... I talk about the partition! 😎

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6 minutes ago, Holko said:

Could it be stuck to the end of Discussing Black?

 

Possibly! Monster Books with the silences edited out is about 0:30. Discussing Black in the film cut is about 1:00. Journey to Hogwarts is about 0:20.

 

So if Monster Book and Discussing Black is 2:00 then hopefully it's bundled at the end there.

[Holko 9,499]

But what if we count the rope charmer source? What's that instrument called again?

[bollemanneke 3,337]

A Shawm?

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19 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

The alternate Journey to Hogwarts was recorded, it's in a trailer!

 

Which trailer? This trailer appears to be Teaser (disc 2, track 27):

 

 

Not sure what Trailer (disc 2, track 28) is? Interestingly, the theatrical trailer appears to be the same duration as this track but only the last 40 seconds is Williams music -- and it just sounds like an excerpt from one of the first two scores.

 

 

[mrbellamy 6,272]

13 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Huh? Aren't the pizzicato strings just the original Chasing Scabbers cue after Buckbeak's "execution" and before the Whomping Willow cue? I think the OST makes things confusing because Williams switched the cues into reverse order, and parts of Lupin's Transformation are an alternate (just to add to the confusion).

 

Might be worth trying to sync it up. I always thought it was “Chasing Scabbers” too but it would have had to be for a longer sequence that got cut way down. As is may more accurately match them running from the werewolf.

 

Never thought about it. Strange to think they might have considered that little scherzo instead, making their scrambling slightly more comic. Like Indy running from the villagers. It is sort of a funny beat with Hermione inadvertently calling it over but probably a better call to just keep the intensity up.