MrJosh 892 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 The AOTC Duel of the Fates was composed as it appears on the OST, and in the film, as mentioned above, has a few bars of TPM recording pasted on the end to give it a bombastic ending. The cue as composed decrescendos to a softer ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Oh interesting. I thought that was an unreleased insert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,713 Posted December 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 Not to derail the Prequel discussion but I was reminded of Williams' own repurposing of his own musical ideas as he took the Philosopher's Stone motif from HPPS, where its use is very systematically to underscore the Philosopher's Stone and related action and turned it into a general ominous bad guy/bad things happening motif in Chamber of Secrets. Whether this was due to temp tracking, director's wishes, production schedule troubles or something else is unknown but I have always felt that it was a somewhat odd decision, especially considering that he wrote a superb mystery/villain theme for the Chamber itself which is used very sparingly in the film and it disappears when Harry finally enters the Chamber of Secrets where one would expect to hear the most expansive renditions of it. Even Duelling the Basilisk doesn't feature it in any prominent way. I guess the feeling the Philsopher's Stone motif conjured was such great shorthand for foreboding and evil it was easy to adopt as a new general purpose baddie motif for the second film and Williams could more easily adapt his older material with such a prominent yet relatively simple musical callback that listeners could readily identify as a signal for "bad things". It would be interesting if such things were addressed in the liner notes but I expect they won't go this deeply into the adaptation process. What say you Jay? Once, TSMefford and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted December 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 Although this complete release will surely feature much more of the Chamber of Secrets theme, I have always felt that it was sorely under-utilized in the film. Once, Molly Weasley, Docteur Qui and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,499 Posted December 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 Yes, the Chamber theme is great and used quite a bit. The reason I don't really mind repurposing the Stone motif is that it really allows it to come into its own in-film with bombastic variations and new orchestration the best we had in PS was Gringotts, the mostly unused and unreleased Three Note Loop and it in counterpoint with one of Voldy's themes at the end. Now we also get Transformation Class, Meeting Tom Riddle and Entering the Chamber among many others. bollemanneke, Molly Weasley and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, Incanus said: Whether this was due to temp tracking, director's wishes, production schedule troubles or something else is unknown but I have always felt that it was a somewhat odd decision, especially considering that he wrote a superb mystery/villain theme for the Chamber itself which is used very sparingly in the film and it disappears when Harry finally enters the Chamber of Secrets where one would expect to hear the most expansive renditions of it. Even Duelling the Basilisk doesn't feature it in any prominent way. I guess the feeling the Philsopher's Stone motif conjured was such great shorthand for foreboding and evil it was easy to adopt as a new general purpose baddie motif for the second film and Williams could more easily adapt his older material with such a prominent yet relatively simple musical callback that listeners could readily identify as a signal for "bad things". I think it's due to the shape of the Chamber theme, which doesn't really work as motif - that's why they only use the underlying triplet base with only the first phrase of the theme whenever they use it. I guess Williams wrote all the themes (this, Fawkes, Dobby) as general ideas before seeing the movie. They worked these in as good as they could but obviously they weren't that great a fit except for some incidental moments (even worse, they all were forgotten after COS). TSMefford and Molly Weasley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Mike Mastessino interview at 18.30.HPSS TEASER Music Why it the piece longer than it was in the actual teaser (extended section starting at 20.19 in the interview) ? I've asked 3 times and nobody answered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I’m sure the trailer piece wasn’t scored to picture. Williams wrote something they could use for a trailer and then it was used and edited accordingly. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 yes but it kind of sounds weird in the interview. It's like Williams recorded 2 endings in the same take and it was meant to be edited. And then for Hedwig's Theme Concert Version he only kept the second ending after all these years that we want this music nobody else even noticed this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The cue played in the interview is the "trailer" music. The "teaser" cue I believe contains the final ending; if that's what you were asking. I can't think of anything else the "teaser" music could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Of all the tracking I could dislike in the prequels... March on the Jedi Temple is not one of them. (also I didnt even notice the tracking in CoS until the Chamber opened) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It's the horrendous way in which it is edited, looped and any tempo or flow completely disregarded that's the problem! In CoS even the most hodgepodge cue, the 5 minute dialogue in the chamber has atmosphere and structure. Reading the Diary gives absolutely no indication it's not one of the rerecorded cues á la Flying Pixies, Introducing Colin or Aragog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The cue played in the interview is the "trailer" music. The "teaser" cue I believe contains the final ending; if that's what you were asking. I can't think of anything else the "teaser" music could be. The real trailer I could find uses the OST version of Hedwig's Theme. The interview cue is the Teaser cue but longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 yes, that's the teaser .The interview cue is that one but it has an extra section at the end this is the Trailer..edited bits of the OST: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, King Mark said: yes, that's the teaser .The interview cue is that one but it has an extra section at the end this is the Trailer..edited bits of the OST: Incorrect. That is the "trailer" track, NOT the OST version. Listen very carefully. The video you posted is in fact the piece that was in the interview. The very ending however appears to be missing from the interview. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 the tempo on the interview piece is much slower than the trailer video you just quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It doesn't match up with the OST, and the performance is quite different, most notably the beginning. I'm not sure what's going on with the ending though... either the ending is part of the "teaser" track, or they spliced together an early recording of the album version. Very curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 well the ending sounds like the OST Hedwig's Theme .It's played faster and has the false ending and coda that the teaser doesn't have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 That's the part in particular that I'm curious about. It's definitely not the same recording used on the album, the audio doesn't match up; it's clearly a different performance at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 that wasn't my initial discussion though .The Teaser music in the interview still has an extra section at the end I never heard before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Re-listening to that part of the interview I'm actually curious what's different about the "teaser" track, since what appears in the interview appears to be the trailer(?), judging by the LLL website sample. The version in the interview has the same opening as the teaser that Holko posted, and not the opening in the trailer video that you posted. But they appear to have the exact same ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Holko post :Teaser Interview :Matches the Teaser music but extra section at 20.19 (?) No false ending or coda .Trumpet flourishes played slower My post =Trailer Ending from 1.36 on sounds like final part of Hedwig's Theme OST Tempo faster,false ending and coda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The trailer is just an edit from Arrival at Hogwarts and a different performance of the concert Hedwig, podium change level differences. The teaser just shortened the Williams teaser piece as needed I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 yes, That's what I'm trying to say .And that's not the music in the Interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What I'm confused about is why the teaser/trailer/interview appear to share bits and pieces. After doing some testing with the audio, I found that the interview music DOES match the trailer music that you (KM) posted. The trailer music is slowed down by about 1% though, most-likely due to the filmstock used, etc, which often slows down or speeds up audio. So in other words, the interview music matches both the trailer AND teaser music, which is strange. 3 minutes ago, Holko said: The trailer is just an edit from Arrival at Hogwarts No, it's clearly a different performance. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I guess we'll know next week or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The problem is, if the teaser is just micro-edited bits of album/film recordings along with the trailer music, then what would the teaser track be comprised of? After all, the new album does contain both a trailer and teaser track, not just the trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 You confused the two, the teaser is the earlier one scored by a Williams who hasn't seen the film yet and wasn't contracted for it. The trailer is what uses edited performances. At least we can be sure TV ad is Hedwig tries a Coke/Cookie. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What I think: The Interview music is an extended version of the Teaser music The Trailer c.d. track might be something we haven't heard before Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Another thing I realized is that the "trailer" track and the original trailer are the EXACT same length; approx. 2:27. Therefore the "trailer" track I believe is going to be identical to how to music appears in the trailer. I don't believe there were any micro-edits whatsoever. What we heard in the interview then was the teaser track. 3 minutes ago, King Mark said: The Trailer c.d. track might be something we haven't heard before Did you hear the sample of it on the LLL website? It's exactly what's in the trailer video you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It's possible Williams recorded the Trailer in one take using bits and pieces of his finished score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It probably was... although it's the same orchestra as the teaser, so I would have assumed they'd have recorded both cues on the same day as opposed to coming back again before recording the score in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 OOPS .I had never head that sample So yeah Trailer sounds a slightly different recording of Concert Hedwig + other bits of the score Interview music is Teaser music but a bit extended..that confirms it Manakin Skywalker and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Indeed. All I can say is that I can't wait for this set so that I can finally listen to both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Or maybe Trailer IS an edit and MM just put it there anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The opening and very ending are different than what's in the teaser though, so either way new music would have had to be recorded. That's what I'm confused about is that the ending of the teaser is what appears in the trailer, so I'm not sure if the ending of the teaser and the ending of the trailer are two separate recordings that were simply combined in the trailer. I haven't had the chance to compare the audio files with what appears in the interview, so for all I know they could be separate recordings that just happen to sound almost identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,713 Posted December 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 I think I am just going to enjoy both teaser and the actual trailer music without too much concerns about whether or not they were edited down in the actual trailers. I am just happy that we are going to get to hear them since there was a notion for years that those had gone missing. Bilbo, TSMefford, Once and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 That's NOT the JWFan spirit! bollemanneke, Manakin Skywalker, A. A. Ron and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Incanus said: ...there was a notion for years that those had gone missing. Same thing with Dracula. So where do these rumours and false information come from? Who is spreading these Fake News? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I have a vague recollection of someone talking about the master being chewed up during transfer. Maybe it was an interview with someone? They were horrified that they had apparently destroyed an original John Williams piece. To be honest I always thought that the story related to the Coca Cola piece. Either way, if the story is true it looks like they chewed up a copy Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 27 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's NOT the JWFan spirit! It might be the new JWfan generation's spirit. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Alan said: To be honest I always thought that the story related to the Coca Cola piece. Which piece would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It's cut in about half, it's a minute long piece. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Alan said: I have a vague recollection of someone talking about the master being chewed up during transfer. Maybe it was an interview with someone? They were horrified that they had apparently destroyed an original John Williams piece. To be honest I always thought that the story related to the Coca Cola piece. Either way, if the story is true it looks like they chewed up a copy Yeah Music Box Music was sent the tape of John Williams' trailer music and their DAT machine ate the tape but it seems logical that wasn't the only tape in existence. Skelly had a thread dedicated to this in 2016. Here is the relevant post. bollemanneke and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 That's a nice deed by Coca-Cola, but what about the millions of kids getting obese and prematurely sick drinking Coca-Cola and other soda? 😂 But anyway, great music! bollemanneke and redishere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Josh500 said: That's a nice deed by Coca-Cola, but what about the millions of kids getting obese and prematurely sick drinking Coca-Cola and other soda? 😂 But anyway, great music! That Coca cola piece was already on the OST spliced together with the original music for the Arrival of Baby Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Incanus said: Yeah Music Box Music was sent the tape of John Williams' trailer music and their DAT machine ate the tape but it seems logical that wasn't the only tape in excistence. Skelly had a thread dedicated to this in 2016. Here is the relevant post. Thanks for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Unless it's original music written by JW for the trailer, why would anybody care? Not getting all this trailer hype. Can somebody explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 We ARE talking about original music written by JW for the trailers, which will be available on the new set, look at the tracklists. Once and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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