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Anyone else hyped for Alma Deutscher?

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I put thought into my post.  Perhaps you could be bothered to in turn respond more cogently - and less predictably.  Perhaps not.

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I agree with TGP.  I see no reason to care about this kid who can imitate well.

 

The fact that Mozart was a child prodigy and his childhood compositions are not especially important or interesting on their own, it is only given weight based on what came later.  There were prodigies before him, and many after him.  Most did not define music for their era.

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I think the whole discussion is pointless right now. Of course she can emote only in the lingo she could learn in this limited timeframe (=her age). But if she puts the growing craftmanship to good use for when she's able to look beyond the baroque (or romantic) toolbox remains to be seen. At worst, she continues to write Mozart, Brahms and Bach miniatures in her late 20's, with a bit of luck she finds something beyond. We are listening...

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48 minutes ago, TGP said:

I put thought into my post.  Perhaps you could be bothered to in turn respond more cogently - and less predictably.  Perhaps not.

Truly puzzling, since in some threads you are all about "giving the benefit of doubt" and "having learned not to argue too lengthy or too fierce". Believe me, I have written an answer of similar length thrice and thrice deleted it all. Isn't minimalism beautiful? But ok, here we go:

 

Expecting continuous meaningful developments of an aesthetic art by and for a very slowly evolving species will hit a wall sooner than later. We will reach an epoch where the greats will slow down to put efforts in refining what exists already. Imagine if Beethoven didn't want to compose in an old idiom, but after searching and searching—found nothing—what would he do? Go back, and no shame about that.The same about literature, film or painting. They all reach/have reached a plateau.

 

As for miss Deutscher, her eyes and eloquence show great general intellect, she has all the tools and training, wonderful opportunities and will likely have relative financial freedom throughout her entire career. The way she plays piano pieces by other composers, from what I read, is unusually slow and thoughtful—way slower than a typical prodigy-performer. She weaves her own ideas into just about every performance. Of course at the initial stage of her career she is bound to be enchanted by the music of past centuries. The fact that she chooses to write melodic music in general, be it influenced by Mozart, Schubert, Tchaikovsky or someone else, especially against obscure academic flak... well, her goals times potential can be reasonably expected to produce great, timeless music. She has clear disdain towards said academic flak that she is receiving, but to be honest, they picked the fight first. She might have even 7-8 decades of musical productivity to go, so nothing is impossible. I think she might even compose some nice synth music later on, so one could be hopeful even about that (if that is your kink).

 

I see no reason to doubt in her, honestly. Competition is of course to be expected, but I think she is in a very privileged and favorable position now; in the context of my specific statement her strengths are a presence from 2010s onward, possibly till 2090s and a trajectory of development that is really not very far from early Mozart (is it?).

 

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4 minutes ago, Fabulin said:

I think she is in a very privileged and favorable position now; in the context of my specific statement her strengths are a presence from 2010s onward, possibly till 2090s and a trajectory of development that is really not very far from early Mozart, is it?

 

If she truly is to be the next Mozart, she could only carry on until 2040 at the latest. 

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Just now, Cerebral Cortex said:

 

If she truly is to be the next Mozart, she could only carry on until 2040 at the latest. 

This is only the main quest line. One can continue a free game afterwards.

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1 hour ago, Fabulin said:

Expecting continuous meaningful developments of an aesthetic art by and for a very slowly evolving species will hit a wall sooner than later. We will reach an epoch where the greats will slow down to put efforts in refining what exists already. Imagine if Beethoven didn't want to compose in an old idiom, but after searching and searching—found nothing—what would he do? Go back, and no shame about that.The same about literature, film or painting. They all reach/have reached a plateau.

 

In the 21st century it is reasonable for a composer to view the entirety of our musical history as their playground, and at any time it is unreasonable to expect a composer to build their work entirely from the ground up.  That said there is much to draw from between the era of Miss Deutscher's chosen idiom and the present.  I wouldn't wish for her to neglect that, particularly since the most reliable method of forging new ways is the combination of so many disparate old ways.  Why you have to seemingly take it to the point of "nothing worthwhile has been done since Strauss" type polemics, or worse, revert to the idea that an art form can hit some evolutionary wall beyond which nothing will matter (are you a Boulez fan?  I wager not, and yet...) is what's "truly puzzling" here though perhaps I've misunderstood your apparent distrust of "post modern" tastes.

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Yo, @Fabulin, first I read you say Giacchino's Medal of Honor scores are one of the most significant orchestral achievements in this century, and now you champions this girl whose place in my mind has been well-articulated above.. ...   what is "fabulin", that like some new street word for trippin'? 

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Grey pretty much perfectly summed up this thread.  I've known musicians like her and this really is pretty much a search for a "next mozart" and they don't really outlast their youth.  In music school, this isn't very unusual.  This is really a topic for non musicians and in conservatories, it is a non topic.  I'm all for cute kids who are talented but there are tons of them and nothing sets her apart from the rest.  When she's an adult, she'll be judged on her music and it will be tougher to impress. 

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5 minutes ago, TGP said:

Anyone else think Rick Beato's perfect pitch kid is the next John Williams?

 

Considering that he told the whole world how to write like John Williams, there's no telling how much of art and music his son will save from our current artistic Dark Age! 

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11 hours ago, Nick Parker said:

 you say Giacchino's Medal of Honor scores are one of the most significant orchestral achievements in this century

Decade. In their decade

 

 

 

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