TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 7 hours ago, DrTenma said: Thanks @Jay! It's probably the most strange inclusion in a Williams' score, honestly. I don't complain since it makes the set more complete, but I don't understand why they included it (maybe it was simply because they had the files...?). It was because they had the files bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 7 hours ago, DrTenma said: Thanks @Jay! It's probably the most strange inclusion in a Williams' score, honestly. I don't complain since it makes the set more complete, but I don't understand why they included it (maybe it was simply because they had the files...?). I think because it constituted the only instance of them having the Family Theme on the 3rd set. Otherwise the theme would be completely absent from it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I would be absolutely fine with not having the Family theme at all on Set 3: Reunion of Friends is a perfect sendoff for leaving it behind, but that also goes for the whole mood of 1&2. TSMefford and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Holko said: I would be absolutely fine with not having the Family theme at all on Set 3: Reunion of Friends is a perfect sendoff for leaving it behind, but that also goes for the whole mood of 1&2. I agree but, in any case, is a bonus to have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I think the teaser would have been an equally fitting, if not better, finale for the set. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 605 Posted January 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2019 The shawm source really would have been the perfect finale for the set! DolceMecha, TSMefford and Smeltington 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 The original Firebolt leading into the credits intro Hedwig's theme would have been the perfect ending in my opinion - having not heard the set yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Now I've seen the elusive Shawm source mentioned so many times that I've just got to ask: what the hell is it?!? TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 It's the wailing instrument in the background when Harry asks what Egypt was like in the pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Video clip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 On 12/15/2018 at 2:53 AM, TSMefford said: Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I won't lose any sleep over that cue. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2019 I’d be fascinated to learn why so many original cues in PoA went unrecorded (or unincluded on the set). Remembering Mother, Great Hall Ceiling, the first part of A New Broomstick etc... I’m guessing it has something to do with the fact that Williams was writing to the wrong cut of the film and they didn’t record them at all. Was this illuminated in previous discussions here? Once, bollemanneke and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: I’d be fascinated to learn why so many original cues in PoA went unrecorded (or unincluded on the set). There were simply too many notes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,687 Posted January 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2019 I can see why someone might enjoy that source cue - it sort of works as weird counterpoint to the score. I've hooked onto less. On a side note, Radcliffe's acting couldn't be more wooden in that scene. He's never felt natural. crumbs, TSMefford and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 He's just got a wooden character. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: He's just got a wooden character. Till 40, I was a wooden character too! Always ready! TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 Found a decent transcription of the piano of the main Double Trouble Concert Arrangement for HP3 End Credits.. Impressively he even manages to get the bit that was missed on the OST. TSMefford, crumbs, Once and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 That's bloody impressive. Really highlights just how many notes comprise these cues! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I can see why someone might enjoy that source cue - it sort of works as weird counterpoint to the score. I've hooked onto less. Agreed. I’d totally listen to it if it was included. But without Shawm, the set is useless of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Now I've seen the elusive Shawm source mentioned so many times that I've just got to ask: what the hell is it?!? I asked the exact same question a month ago! 😂 3 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Found a decent transcription of the piano of the main Double Trouble Concert Arrangement for HP3 End Credits.. Impressively he even manages to get the bit that was missed on the OST. Williams usually writes new music while sitting at the piano. I can imagine him playing it like this.... TSMefford and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Josh500 said: I asked the exact same question a month ago! 😂 Williams usually writes new music while sitting at the piano. I can imagine him playing it like this.... Damn I’d love to hear some of the first pieces Williams played on piano for these scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Damn I’d love to hear some of the first pieces Williams played on piano for these scores. Like this. I think this is one of the most fascinating and somehow heartwarming footages of John Williams... The consummate master of technique and artistry at work! Holko and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Like this. I think this is one of the most fascinating and somehow heartwarming footages of John Williams... The consummate master of technique and artistry at work! Yes! I love this footage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 JW playing Quidditch Third Year on piano Chewy, crumbs, Smeltington and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Alex said: JW playing Quidditch Third Year on piano Are you saying John Williams plays piano with his beard? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, Incanus said: Are you saying John Williams plays piano with his beard? Of course not, that would be ridiculous! I’m suggested he sprouts tentacles and plays the piano with them. TSMefford, The Illustrious Jerry, Once and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Now I've seen the elusive Shawm source mentioned so many times that I've just got to ask: what the hell is it?!? I now know what it is, but I still don't know what it means. What does the word "Shawm" mean? Was it given this title by Williams himself? Why? What does it mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 If you took one second to google it, you'd know it's the name of the instrument. crumbs, bollemanneke and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolceMecha 18 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Josh500 said: I now know what it is, but I still don't know what it means. What does the word "Shawm" mean? Was it given this title by Williams himself? Why? What does it mean? It's the name of the renaissance-era wind instrument that plays the cue. Edit: Beaten to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, DolceMecha said: It's the name of the renaissance-era wind instrument that plays the cue. Was the title given by JW? Or are we just calling it that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Josh500 said: I now know what it is, but I still don't know what it means. What does the word "Shawm" mean? Was it given this title by Williams himself? Why? What does it mean? Williams misspelled 'Shawn' on the sheets. Suffice it to say that Shawn Murphy was not pleased hence the abysmal Star Wars Remasters. crumbs, Once, DolceMecha and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: I’d be fascinated to learn why so many original cues in PoA went unrecorded (or unincluded on the set). Remembering Mother, Great Hall Ceiling, the first part of A New Broomstick etc... I’m guessing it has something to do with the fact that Williams was writing to the wrong cut of the film and they didn’t record them at all. Was this illuminated in previous discussions here? I think you're probably right about A New Broomstick because in the sheet music, there's this really weird, boring/unsettling clarinet part that just doesn't seem to fit in the scene anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Interesting. I didn’t even know the sheet music had leaked before this set was announced. Is there really many alternate/unused/unrecorded cues? A Winter’s Spell is my most played track of the set (on iTunes, though). It’s mostly because I heard it a lot during the Christmas holidays, but I really think it’s a great melody with hilarious lyrics. And a very authentic recording, it really sounds like street choir. Williams is the master of source cues. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,314 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 I just discovered this excellent analysis of music throughout the Potter series, figured this was a good thread to post. The author seems very well researched musically, is this a poster on here? 28 minutes ago, Once said: Interesting. I didn’t even know the sheet music had leaked before this set was announced. Is there really many alternate/unused/unrecorded cues? Yeah, quite a few. At least half a dozen further alternates that aren't on the LLL set for whatever reason (whether because someone prevented them from being included, or they weren't recorded in the first place, is not clear). Off the top of my head: Alternate version of 3m10 Remembering Mother Alternate version of The Great Hall Ceiling, 3mE (which I believe is different to the Big Doors alternate, 3m11A) Alternate opening for 4m3+4 Woods Walk Alternate opening for 6m4 Sirius and Harry Original version of 6m5 First Frozen Lake String Overlay for 7m2 My Dad Conjured the Patronus (Williams' first revision for the werewolf chase, before they went with the Grievous-esque percussion) Original version of 7m7 Whomping Willow Revisited An alternate of 1m4 Aunt Marge Points the Finger (I believe the final film version is 1m4x) bollemanneke, Docteur Qui, Mr. Who and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Alex said: Of course not, that would be ridiculous! I’m suggested he sprouts tentacles and plays the piano with them. Oooh very Cthulhu! I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Crumbs, do you have a list of alternates in the sheets for HP1 and 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,314 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Crumbs, do you have a list of alternates in the sheets for HP1 and 2? Nope, sorry. I don't have the sheets and I can't read sheet music anyway. In any event, my understanding is that PS never had any written alternates other than Owl's Flight (which was due to an editorial change I think) and the alternate Opening Logo. Most of the COS alternates appear to be podium changes with slight orchestration changes. Williams barely had time to write music for that score, let alone multiple versions of cues. The prevalence of alternates for POA is seemingly a result of Cuaron being very specific about his needs for the music. There's also that urban legend that Williams scored the incorrect cut of the film (something far longer, an early cut perhaps) and turned up on the scoring stage to discover the film had changed quite substantially. Also worth noting that several of those aforementioned alternates feature the Window to the Past theme in their final incarnations; it's possible Cuaron heard the theme during the sessions and specifically asked Williams to find additional places in the score to expand its usage. That's certainly the case with the Remembering Mother alternate, but I'm not sure what constitutes the alternate Woods Walk opening, nor Sirius and Harry. Once, Docteur Qui and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Sam here, I can't read sheet music either. Someone needs to do an edit now that we have this great set. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 We need mockups! Once and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Incanus said: Are you saying John Williams plays piano with his beard? No, he plays piano with his cock. Smeltington and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Holko said: We need mockups! I’ve done a few for my own amusement, including Remembering Mother, Great Hall Ceiling and Whomping Willow Revisited. I’ll post them up in a few days when I’m back from holiday bollemanneke, Holko and Once 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 My new favourite activity is singing “Hook, Hook, give us the Hook, Hook, Hook, show us the Hook” to A Winter’s Spell bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Let's hope we'll be singing that while listening to a proper edition soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 There is an awesome creepy sound starting at 1:40 of "The Dark Forest" that I think wasn't noticeable in the sessions leak, wow! Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I don’t have my set handy, but I’m thinking that’s the ghostly, wind-like synth? I really like how it’s so prominent in this mix. Arpy and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 For that passage, I think I prefer the sessions mix...but I'm thrilled that we now have both! Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 12 hours ago, crumbs said: At least half a dozen further alternates that aren't on the LLL set for whatever reason (whether because someone prevented them from being included, or they weren't recorded in the first place, is not clear). Off the top of my head: Alternate version of 3m10 Remembering Mother Alternate version of The Great Hall Ceiling, 3mE (which I believe is different to the Big Doors alternate, 3m11A) Alternate opening for 4m3+4 Woods Walk Alternate opening for 6m4 Sirius and Harry Original version of 6m5 First Frozen Lake String Overlay for 7m2 My Dad Conjured the Patronus (Williams' first revision for the werewolf chase, before they went with the Grievous-esque percussion) Original version of 7m7 Whomping Willow Revisited An alternate of 1m4 Aunt Marge Points the Finger (I believe the final film version is 1m4x) They simply were not recorded; hence, they are not in the set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 At the very least, the original "Aunt Marge Points the Finger" was recorded; it's heard in the DVD special features. What makes you say that the others weren't recorded? (I have no idea if they were or not; just curious what your thought process is.) bollemanneke and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 27 minutes ago, Datameister said: At the very least, the original "Aunt Marge Points the Finger" was recorded; it's heard in the DVD special features. What makes you say that the others weren't recorded? (I have no idea if they were or not; just curious what your thought process is.) Where's that? I went looking for it, but it sounded just like the same one we already have on LLL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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