Popular Post Holko 9,525 Posted January 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2019 They were missing 4 CDs worth of fantastic material? bollemanneke, Once and Incanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 In the old ones, you could get it over with in just three CDs. More economical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted January 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: As promised, here's my mockups of a couple of Azkaban alternates that weren't recorded/on the set Both are absolutely stunning, great work! I really wish these had been recorded/included in the set, they're fascinating listens (and a real insight into the evolution & refinement of Williams' writing on the score). Docteur Qui, crlbrg and Once 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Too few notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/22/2019 at 6:59 AM, Incanus said: All I hear are variations on the Chamber theme and its arpeggio accompaniment figure but I guess there is that small section which repeats in all three examples. I concur, I believe it's a variation of the Chamber theme too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I think it's a similar shape to the Three Note Loop's four note phrase. Once and Bofur01 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 4:51 PM, Holko said: Three Note Loop's four note phrase Can't help it... That sounds funny. crumbs and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I dunno, the Remembering Mother alternate sounds more like a first draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I’m with you @King Mark, it just isn’t centred on anything memorable or tangible to me. It’s fascinating to hear of course, especially small gestures that are clearly linked to the eventual Past theme, but it’s a very different effect to the revised cue. Arpy and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 But the theme IS memorable for me. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: I’m with you @King Mark, it just isn’t centred on anything memorable or tangible to me. It’s fascinating to hear of course, especially small gestures that are clearly linked to the eventual Past theme, but it’s a very different effect to the revised cue. Agreed. This original draft actually sounds like Williams' hadn't yet honed in on the eventual Window to the Past theme melody. While a beautiful little piece in its own right, it certainly doesn't have the emotional melodic directness of the final version. Docteur Qui and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I'm not at all disappointed that that early RM was not recorded, it's a curiosity with not much musical value IMO. Theory why the Harry Gets His Wand motif reappears early in The Quidditch Match: Williams confused Ollivander and Oliver Wood. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Did anyone ever write down which pieces of which tracks were used for the tracked parts of the second film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Display Name said: Did anyone ever write down which pieces of which tracks were used for the tracked parts of the second film? Someone did yes. @Holko did See here: Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 What's the final part of The Wizards' Consort, do we think? An alternate for the shawm music? A piece meant to be playing in Hogsmeade? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: What's the final part of The Wizards' Consort, do we think? An alternate for the shawm music? A piece meant to be playing in Hogsmeade? Um... that's some sort of fiddle partly playing Winter's Spell. The middle and final parts of Consort are the two Three Broomsticks sources. The shawm cue accompanies an actual shawm being played onscreen in the background. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 That's not really correct, part one is the Leaky Cauldron violin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I know that. Wizards' Consort has 3 parts, I spoke for the middle and last one, or second and third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Holko said: Um... that's some sort of fiddle partly playing Winter's Spell. The middle and final parts of Consort are the two Three Broomsticks sources. The shawm cue accompanies an actual shawm being played onscreen in the background. I can't place that final source piece in the movie to be honest. I don't hear it anywhere in the mix. The first and second pieces are very clearly audible though (the fiddle piece when Harry arrives at the Leaky Cauldron, the flute piece as Harry sneaks into the Three Broomsticks). I've just assumed the last piece was intended for the Pettigrew/Sirius discussion that Harry eavesdrops on upstairs at the Three Broomsticks (buried deep in the mix, of course). And yes, the shawm piece is the second source Williams wrote for the Leaky Cauldron but remains unreleased. bollemanneke, Once and Lockdown 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 We just need the isolated score to leak for that. It'll happen soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Hello. Can anyone help me? I know the first five discs of this set are in chronological order. But is the "Prisoner of Azkaban" set similarly ordered? I ask because of the presence of some tracks relegated to the "Additional Music" section of Disc 7. If these tracks should be placed in the body of the score proper, could anyone help me with a playlist that more reflects their position in the actual score? If indeed this is the case. Cheers Raymond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 The only additional score cues in the bonus track section of Azkaban are the two 10 second cues that open "Aunt Margie's Waltz (Alternate)", everything else is alternates (or source music) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I keep wishing Train Journey would've been presented before Apparition on the Train, then have Trouble Takes Many Forms as it's own chronological piece. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 My thinking with that is: Something Wicked Intro is very similar in structure and feel to the Train to Hogwartses, but without "spoiling" the Double Trouble theme before the choir introduces it. I actually quite like it on album even if I reproduced that chronology for my phone. My bigger problem is the alternate Train to Hogwarts after Double Trouble March, which is just crying out to lead into Rainy Nights. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I understand the logic of having the Double Trouble material together, but it just bugs me that it's not chronological. Is there a case in the other two scores of there being material out of chronological order for the sake of including alternates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 No, but Azkaban is the only one with a ton of short, fragmented cues and alternates usually different enough that nobody would recognise them if Jay hadn't told us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Holko said: My thinking with that is: Something Wicked Intro is very similar in structure and feel to the Train to Hogwartses, but without "spoiling" the Double Trouble theme before the choir introduces it. I actually quite like it on album even if I reproduced that chronology for my phone. My bigger problem is the alternate Train to Hogwarts after Double Trouble March, which is just crying out to lead into Rainy Nights. I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I totally get the reasoning behind the reshuffling. I'm going chronological for my own version - easy enough to make the change - but I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Why are people getting so worked up about the ordering of tracks on the album? Just move stuff once you've ripped. Quite honestly MM could've ordered the tracks alphabetically and I couldn't care less. We have the music. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Because soundtrack fans generally have OCD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Because we don't have all the necessary clean openings/endings? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Because we don't have all the necessary clean openings/endings? See what I mean? mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Why are people getting so worked up about the ordering of tracks on the album? Just move stuff once you've ripped. Quite honestly MM could've ordered the tracks alphabetically and I couldn't care less. We have the music. Because some people want to listen to the 100$ worth of CDs they bought in a player instead of purely treating them as no more than a session leak you just reedit once? But for those cues around the Hogwarts arrival, I found we do actually have clean enough openings and endings, as long as one doesn't care whether a fadeout on a held note is 5 or 3 seconds long. Smeltington and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 To be honest, it doesn't really bother me that much, and I didn't realize my bringing it up would cause a stir! I'm just happy to have it all there after all this time, and @Holko is right, they are open to edits with mostly clean openings and endings. I guess PoA was just more revealing to me than I had once thought, I wasn't aware it was fragmented in a strange way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Shouldn't this thread be renamed The Asperger thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Why do I suddenly have OCD because I have a few valid issues with a 2019 expanded release? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 It's just the amount of detail in this thread that's... overwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,525 Posted January 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2019 God forbid people to be actually passionate about something great. A. A. Ron, Once and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Yeah, it's like a plague! A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's just the amount of detail in this thread that's... overwhelming. That's because it's a discussion thread! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Oh, they got this all screwed up! Docteur Qui and Unlucky Bastard 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Where does "Owl's Flight" go chronologically? Is it an alternate for "A Change of Season"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Pieter_Boelen said: Where does "Owl's Flight" go chronologically? Is it an alternate for "A Change of Season"? Yep, that's exactly what it is. ☺ bollemanneke and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,042 Posted February 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2019 Unrelated - have we talked about the different versions of "Cast a Christmas Spell" yet? I don't mean vocal vs. music box; I mean differences in the vocal version itself. There are now three versions "out there": * The OST version, which of course overlaps other cues at the beginning and end. This version has synth backing, and the synthesizer generally changes chords at the top of each measure. * The LLL version, which also has synth accompaniment, but the timing is different - the chords change on beat 2 of each measure, rather than beat 1. It's also a different vocal take from the OST. * The sessions version, which omits the synth part, like the version heard very briefly in the film. And if I recall, it's yet another take, I think? I haven't yet compared them all rigorously, but regardless, the OST/LLL difference raises an interesting question: how was the synth part actually written? We don't have sheet music for this cue, so your guess is as good as mine. I know Mike is very exacting in his album construction process, which would seem to indicate that the LLL version is correct...but the OST of course had more direct involvement from JW, and personally, I think that version makes more musical sense. I suppose one possibility is that the timing was actually changed for different takes, so the OST and LLL versions each accurately present one performance of the cue. But I still can't help wondering how it was originally written. Regardless, I intend to use the OST version for my own eventual edit - with help from the LLL version for the beginning and ending, of course. Smeltington, Once, bollemanneke and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crumbs 14,306 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Kühni said: Reading through the notes for SS, it shows that recording dates and venues in London for this and Fellowship of the Ring overlapped. I wonder if Williams and Shore ever, y'know, crossed paths in the Mens' Room? I've always considered this section of PS uncannily similar to Shore's writing in a memorable cue from FOTR. When I heard the two scores were actually recorded at the same time at the same venue, I had a raised eyebrow! I don't think I've heard Williams write for brass like this in any other score. In any case, I'd be surprised if Shore hadn't at least invited Williams to visit one of the LOTR recording sessions. DolceMecha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Josh500 1,615 Posted February 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2019 "The Walk to Buckbeak"! I love the short but atmospheric and kind of reassuring oboe solo at the beginning. Also the English horn (coupled with the harp) toward the end reminds me of A.I.... What a little gem! Arpy, Once and Smaug The Iron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I've always loved the quiet tambourine in that cue. Once and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mstrox 6,651 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Finally listening to Prizoner of Askaban. I've always considered it one of my favorite Williams scores, and there's a lot of good new stuff, particularly in the back half of the movie. The C&C presentation, for me, doesn't do it a lot of favors - especially early on. The first quarter of the score is so repetitive with all of the Double Trouble variations. Kind of grated on me a little bit. I also vastly prefer the OST version of Knight Bus, which doesn't lose its madcap momentum quite as much. I'm happy for the new music, but the OST will be my likely go-to program for this one. Same with CoS. Philosoror's Stone, I might listen to in the expanded form, or at least in some non-OST form. The OST for that has always been a bit repetitive for me, and the "new" highlights from that one allow it to breathe pretty well. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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