Harry Potter 7CD Collection - MUSIC discussion

[Holko 9,516]

Yeah, it's not like he personally allows complete score releases in the hands of people he trusts, oh wait.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Key word there, "allows". Years after the fact. It's not the sort of product he'd proactively initiate on his own accord.

[Holko 9,516]

Like Dracula which he specifically asked Mike to seek out, see if it still exists, preserve if it does, and make a shiny special new release from it?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

No harm in a little snoop.

[Mr. Who 919]

I usually prefer listening to complete scores than to OSTs because with an OST you don't get the full picture and you might not get the best version of a cue. Many times the film version of a cue is much better than what we get on the OST. Thematic development is often ruined on a 1 hour OST because of chronology problems & missing music.

[mstrox 6,651]

You guys, luckily we have both now and everyone can choose!

[Holko 9,516]

For not nearly all scores that deserve it (or not to the extent), and after decades of only having the butchered one available!

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

Too bad the master tapes for the complete scores weren't owned by UMG!

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

18 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

Then I suggest you take extra care. Loss of limb will not excuse you.

 

You must be the most violent blind person I've ever encountered!

[Jay 37,340]

It's a line from Snape from the movie

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

So is my reply.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It isn't!

[Chewy 2,388]

12 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

So is my reply.

Nice edit

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

I can always rely on you to keep track of my changes!

[crumbs 14,306]

So how did the Azkaban prototype OST leak years ago and it wasn't common knowledge on here? Does that mean people have already had the Shrieking Shack cue for literally years before the LLL came out?

[Jay 37,340]

1 minute ago, crumbs said:

So how did the Azkaban prototype OST leak years ago and it wasn't common knowledge on here?

 

Tons of stuff leaks privately among small circles of fans that don't get discussed on public forums

 

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Does that mean people have already had the Shrieking Shack cue for literally years before the LLL came out?

 

Yes.

[crumbs 14,306]

Well... there you go.

 

Is there any difference between the LLL track and the omitted OST track?

[Jay 37,340]

The LLL tracks adds the short cue the precedes the scene to the front of the track.  I think that's it

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Well, that and the fact that the leaked track had horrible clicking.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

2 hours ago, crumbs said:

So how did the Azkaban prototype OST leak years ago and it wasn't common knowledge on here? Does that mean people have already had the Shrieking Shack cue for literally years before the LLL came out?

 

 

[Chewy 2,388]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

Tons of stuff leaks privately among small circles of fans that don't get discussed on public forums

Then did the Star Wars prequels sessions leak too?

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

What we want: John Williams recording sessions leaks

What we get: Michael Giacchino recording sessions leaks

[Jay 37,340]

4 minutes ago, Chewy said:

Then did the Star Wars prequels sessions leak too?

 

Sadly, no, nothing

[Holko 9,516]

1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said:

What we want: John Williams recording sessions leaks

What we get: Bryan Tyler Bates recording sessions leaks 

yeah

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

Sadly, no, nothing

 

You're just not in the right circle.

[Jay 37,340]

Actually I forgot that one cue from ROTS did leak out - "6m4 Heroes Collide", but that's publicly available now too

[Chewy 2,388]

Just now, Jay said:

Actually I forgot that one cue from ROTS did leak out - "6m4 Heroes Collide", but that's publicly available now too

I am the Senate didn't leak?

[Jay 37,340]

only in video games

[crumbs 14,306]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

Actually I forgot that one cue from ROTS did leak out - "6m4 Heroes Collide", but that's publicly available now too

 

I'm not overly familiar with the cue titles for ROTS. Is this the same cue that was featured in the DVD documentary, with Anakin/Obi fighting atop the narrow bar then getting trapped at the end of the big metal structure after lava engulfs their path (the cue with those fantastic bells)? 

 

I can't think of any other unreleased music from their battle sequence (other than the edited stuff in Anakin v Obi Wan). 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

That's The Boys Continue. Heroes Collide is Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan on the OST but slightly longer.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

6 hours ago, Chewy said:

I am the Senate didn't leak?

 

I'm not sure, but you may be thinking of an April Fools joke I pulled a few years back.

[Chewy 2,388]

2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

I'm not sure, but you may be thinking of an April Fools joke I pulled a few years back.

Haha. I asked that because I read somewhere that : "I am the Senate" was supposed to be on the OST (like the Shriecking Shack cue).

[Jay 37,340]

Yup it was in an early track list but it never leaked afaik

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

That as well as Revisiting Padme. Interesting that they changed it so late in the process.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

Perhaps Padme wasn't home.

[crumbs 14,306]

How annoying. Both those cues would've added significantly to that OST presentation, plus an unedited version of Heroes Collide. 

 

It's interesting to see how Williams' Star Wars soundtrack assemblies have changed since becoming so involved with Matessino and expansions. Basically maxing out the album space, sticking to a mostly chronological presentation, and no longer reprising concert suites wholesale in the end credits. I guess he was really spoiled for choice with both scores, considering they're two of the longest scores in his career (if not the longest). 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

To be fair, if I Am The Senate had been included, everyone would be wanting to hear Grievous and the Droids, which was not on the original tracklist.

[Chewy 2,388]

54 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

To be fair, if I Am The Senate had been included, everyone would be wanting to hear Grievous and the Droids, which was not on the original tracklist.

But I Am The Senate is a better piece, especially in complete form.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

15 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Perhaps Padme wasn't home.

Couldn't they just have waited a little, then?

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Couldn't they just have waited a little, then?

 

Yes, but then the scene was cut.

[Datameister 2,041]

7 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

To be fair, if I Am The Senate had been included, everyone would be wanting to hear Grievous and the Droids, which was not on the original tracklist.

 

True. A completely unused, unreleased cue? We'd have been rabid. At least I Am the Senate is partially heard in the film.

[Faleel 5,345]

Wasn't the end used? and tracked into the later Grievous scenes?

[Datameister 2,041]

2 hours ago, Faleel J.M. said:

Wasn't the end used? and tracked into the later Grievous scenes?

 

Oh you're totally right on both counts. I've been away from that score for too long!

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

Either way had it been unreleased we might not even known about the entire first half, aside from the sheet music and possibly video games. Whether we had gotten IATS or GATD (yes, I did just abbreviate them) it's a lose-lose situation either way.

[Holko 9,516]

So, The Prologue - Privet Drive: A unique hurried Hedwig A, ominous material and strikes, a unique Hedwig A on some sort of horn, a straightforward concert Hedwig A (first of those), a lullaby Hedwig A on oboe, unique sad material, a celesta Hedwig A buildup and a glorious Hedwig B statement. Every piece of Hedwig in here is completely different, some even completely unique.

 

Visit to the Zoo - Nimbus 2000 development, then comes the straightforward concert Hedwig A again - for the second only time.

 

Don't Burn My Letter - Dursley-ified Nimbus and general unique ominous material do a marvellous back-and forth with the concert Hedwig, constantly building, peaking in Letters from Hogwarts.

 

Then, from Hagrid's Arrival onwards practically every single cue introduces new motifs or unique material or develops already heard material in new ways, when the Wizarding World finally burst the Muggle Bubble properly.

 

The actual "repetitive" section takes up about 3-3.5 minutes of back-and forth with other, unique material and has a clear upward curve of building tension and almost aggression. This is all practically before we reach the 10-minute mark of this 135 minute score. I'm not finding that famed horrible repetition that was soo important to "fix" that it makes the heavily and bleedingly cut up OST so much better than this masterpiece of a complete score where practically every cue is a highlight and has something of interest going on. In fact, the OST edits TV Commercial, opening and ending with Hedwig A in practically the same setting as Letters from Hogwarts will be, into Prologue, over the shorter concert intro version which ends in a unique way with the repeated phrase (not to mention the jolly middle Wondrous World part which doesn't gel with the rest of Prologue in the slightest).

[Datameister 2,041]

The repetition isn't "horrible" - I don't even dislike it. But it is there. Throw in the train ride to Hogwarts, and you've got what, five statements of the A theme copied verbatim from the same part of the trailer score, all in the first act? That's very atypical for Williams.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

He obviously thought it was some dumb kids' film, which it was.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

C'mon, be nice to the man. He just didn't remember he'd already stated the theme four times!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Hey Hogwarts, are you ready for some REALLLLL MUSIC??!

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Maybe someone requested these verbatim statements for those scenes. You're meddling in things that ought not to be meddled in.